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Collapse, you say?

Most of the writing I have done for this blog assumes that my readers are at the very least open to thinking about the collapse of our civilization, and more likely that they have already accepted it as probable and are interested in discussing the details of how it might happen and how to cope with it. But it is pretty clear to me that the general public, even in the midst of a global pandemic, are not ready to entertain the idea that civilization could collapse. If I bring up the idea, the response is most likely to be, “Collapse, you say? Surely not.”

There are a number of reasons for that attitude, the simplest being a cognitive bias against change—the feeling that tomorrow is likely to be pretty much like today. This is aided and abetted by a lot of propaganda about how great BAU (Business as Usual) really is and the progress it promises for the future. Indeed, we are told that there simply isn’t any better way of running the world than neo-liberal capitalism, no real alternatives at all. We’ve been told this for so long (at least the 30 years or so since the USSR fell) and so forcefully that most of the world’s population is experiencing an almost complete failure of imagination. And that is both a failure to imagine any better way of running things, and a failure to conceive what the consequences might be if we continue as we are.

Along with this, when the subject of collapse does come up, it is almost always discussed in terms of a hard and fast collapse—more of an apocalypse, really—which understandably stirs up such feelings of fear that people retreat into denial. But even minor suggestions of things like “degrowth” are not well received—we’ve been promised on-going progress, and any suggestion that a reduction in our consumption level, a little less comfort and convenience, might be in order, is met with consternation. You hear people saying that, if that’s what’s ahead of us, they’d rather be dead.

On the other hand, there are people like me who are convinced that the collapse of our civilization is either already happening or soon will be. Why do we think that?

It might be wise at this point to dig a little deeper into what I mean by “the collapse of our civilization”. Well, one characteristic of all civilizations is that their individual members are not entirely self sufficient—they rely at least to some extent on the mechanisms of production and distribution built into their civilization for the necessities of life. What those necessities might be varies with who you ask. My list includes air, water, food, housing, health care, education and meaningful work, all provided in a context where people feel that they belong, where help is available when you need it and where you have a role to play in helping others when they need it. Of course, there are many approaches to how these necessities are to be acquired, and various ideas about what constitutes enough.

In our “industrial” society, since the invention of heat engines powered by fossil fuels, the production and distribution of what is needed has largely been mechanized. Our population is hardly self sufficient at all—only very rarely do we make anything we need with our own hands. And only a very few people, living in the remotest locations are independent of this system. We have filled up essentially the whole world, and converted it to our uses, so that a return to subsistence agriculture or hunting and gathering would not be possible for most of us even if we wanted it, and most of us don’t.

When a civilization starts to collapse, its mechanisms of production and distribution begin to work less and less well. A decline in both population and complexity ensues. In our industrial society, where human and animal muscles have been largely replaced by machines powered by various forms of energy, there will also be a significant reduction in energy use and consumption of manufactured goods.

All this continues until the collapsing civilization either falls apart completely or overcomes its difficulties and recovers in a different form. In the past it often took hundreds of years for a civilization to collapse. My opinion is that our society started to collapse about 50 years ago and has a few decades, or at least years, left to go. But however long it may take to get to the end of the process, it is important to realize that, nowadays, collapse is going on around us all the time.

A scholarly expert on collapse might now offer some numerical measures to help us judge when a society has actually collapsed. I like to look at that a little differently, to turn it on its head, so to speak. I would say that if you, as an individual, are no longer being supplied with the necessities of life then for you collapse has already occurred, even though everything is going along quite normally for the people driving over the bridge that you are living under.

I seems to me that collapsing civilizations share some characteristics, and I can see those characteristics in events today:

One, collapse progresses slowly, so that if you’re viewing it from inside and it hasn’t hit you with any great force as yet, you may be hard pressed to recognize what is happening.
Two, collapse progresses uneven geographically—some places continue to do just fine while others fall apart disastrously. If you live in an area that is not yet affected, you may wonder what all the fuss is about, or at least think that while it’s tough for those other folks, it can’t happen to you.
Three, collapse progresses unsteadily in the chronological sense, with long periods where nothing much changes, separated by sudden steps downward. During those long quiet periods, you could be excused for thinking that everything is just fine because, at least on the surface, it is.
And four, collapse progresses unequally across social classes. The upper, ruling classes are in control (as much as anyone is) and have the wherewithal to direct resources to their own benefit, and away from the lower classes. And because they can get by just fine without knowing much at all about how things are going in the rest of society, they are often unaware that there is any sort of problem. Of course, when collapse finally does hit them, it is felt all the harder because they have never experienced hard times. For those at the bottom of the social ladder, collapse is just more of the same shit they’ve been putting up with all along.

Ideally, as an individual, family, or community in a collapsing civilization, you would like to be aware of what’s coming, prepare for it and eventually succeed in adapting to it. But as you can see from the four points I’ve just listed, this is difficult because it’s hard to tell what’s going on until it’s too late.

This started out as a simple, “one post topic”, but now it looks like it is going to take about five posts to clearly get across why I think collapse is happening and to have a look at what options we have and where this process is likely to take us:

This post, in which I’ve introduced the subject.
Two, in which I’ll look at the inputs and output of our civilization and what is wrong with the way they are being handled.
Three, in which I’ll look inside our civilization at its fundamental, structural weaknesses.
Four, in which we’ll look at how all this has been and continues to contribute to collapse.
And five, in which, we’ll look at several possibilities for our future—what the rest of this collapse may look like.

Irv Mills doomstead diner

206 Comments on "Collapse, you say?"

JuanP on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 7:12 pm

Duncan, did you see this on your guy:

Over A Third Of Americans Believe Biden Is Incapable Of Debating Trump
With questions continuing to swirl about his mental health, a new Rasmussen poll has found that only 54 per cent of Americans believe Joe Biden is capable of debating President Trump. The national telephone survey found that just over half of likely voters thought Biden could take part in a debate with Trump while 36 per cent disagree and say he is not capable. A further 11 per cent are not sure either way. Meanwhile, the poll found that almost a third (29 per cent) of voters thought it would have no impact on Biden’s campaign if he refused to debate Trump while 56 per cent thought it would hurt his candidacy. Biden’s cognitive functioning has repeatedly been called into question, including last week by White House physician Dr. Ronny Jackson. “I think that he’s old enough now that he’s having cognitive difficulties and that just happens. It’s part of growing old,” said Jackson. “If [Trump] goes head-to-head with Joe Biden cognitively, there just wouldn’t be much of an assessment. It will be very one-sided.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/over-third-americans-believe-biden-incapable-debating-trump

Duncan Idaho on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 7:20 pm

Note:
Love Me I’m A Liberal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nFvhhCulaw

JuanP on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 7:24 pm

Mak, did you catch this one:

Philippine capital may return to lockdown as coronavirus cases surge
MANILA (BLOOMBERG) – The Philippine capital will remain under loose movement restrictions starting Thursday (July 16), but may return on a stricter lockdown in two weeks if coronavirus cases continue to rise. Metro Manila will stay under general community quarantine until end-July, allowing most businesses to remain open, presidential spokesman Harry Roque said at a televised briefing on Wednesday. Mr Roque said President Rodrigo Duterte initially wanted to reimpose strict stay-home orders and limit business operations in the capital following a University of the Philippines’ study which projected that virus cases may rise to 80,000 by the end of the month.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/philippine-capital-may-return-to-lockdown-as-coronavirus-cases-surge

makati1 on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 7:26 pm

Juan, I missed that one. I need to be more careful when I visit the red light district

Davy on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 7:39 pm

“Is The Federal Reserve Sowing Seeds Of Marxism?”
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/federal-reserve-sowing-seeds-marxism

“There is a reason when Thomas Jefferson said, “Big banks are more dangerous than standing armies, and the practice of borrowing and spending money to be paid back by the next generation is stealing from their future.” Many are quick to bash banks. Even the Federal Reserve – citing conspiracy theories of the Illuminati, the Rockerfellers, and various other groups. You have heard it before, “There is no Federal in Federal Reserve.” It is a private agency used by the government. All this may be true. But it is also true that central banks, banks, and financial service companies do provide needed services. The scam is not just this – it is rather a small part – it is not just the institution rather its policies. It is the scam right in front of your face that is the most harmful. It is the ignorance of not understanding the basic math of Fiat Currency Debasement. A caution to both our major political parties – if Fiat Currency Debasement is not handled in an effective way, the dark cloud of social dis-cohesion and Marxism will lift its ugly head. Once you understand well Fiat Currency Debasement, all the events of today start to fall into place.“

REAL Green on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 7:41 pm

Were voting for Biden. Tulsi is pegged to be his running mate.

Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 11:02 pm

Make the move permanent!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8528201/Boris-Johnson-proposing-House-Commons-YORK.html

“Boris Johnson is proposing to move House of Commons to YORK while Palace of Westminster undergoes £6billion renovation“

In a time where the police is losing control over the streets of London, UK politics is well-advised to form a government-in-exile in York, while Westminster is being upgraded to eventually become the Great Mosque of Londinistan.

https://youtu.be/WJheODYpuEI

Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 11:18 pm

Not so splendid isolation:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8528025/Britain-Europes-No-1-target-infiltration-Chinas-Communist-Party-expert-warns.html

“Britain is ‘Europe’s No 1 target’ for infiltration by China’s Communist Party, expert warns“

“Friends of Israel” in charge again, after minor setback under Corbyn:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8528177/Labour-set-formally-apologise-seven-antisemitism-whistleblowers-appeared-BBC-Panorama.html

“Labour is set to formally apologise to seven antisemitism whistleblowers who appeared in BBC Panorama probe after they sued party for defamation“

Even some darkies get it:

“‘Charlamagne tha God’ has said Nick Cannon’s firing from ViacomCBS has proved ‘Jews have the power’ after the actor was terminated on Tuesday for making anti-Semitic comments.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8527305/Diddy-Dwyane-Wade-speak-support-Nick-Cannon.html

Apologizes to jews, not to whites, because, you see, jews have “da power”, where whites don’t.

Darkie back in line again.

CIA-Mossad at it again:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8525861/Fire-rips-three-ships-near-Irans-nuclear-power-plant.html

“Massive blaze rips through Iranian port near nuclear power station as seven ships burn – after a series of mysterious explosions around the country“

Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 1:13 am

The Great Reparations Game begins:

https://www.infowars.com/north-carolina-city-votes-to-pay-reparations-to-black-slave-descendants/

“NORTH CAROLINA CITY VOTES TO PAY REPARATIONS TO BLACK SLAVE DESCENDANTS“

The.first thing you do of course is have a look at that city council to test a hypothesis:

https://www.ashevillenc.gov/government/meet-city-council/

Headed by a Esther Mannheimer

(my jdar makes wild swings)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Manheimer

No surprises, a kikette.

https://www.infowars.com/study-finds-democrat-backed-reparations-proposal-has-6-2-quadrillion-price-tag/

“STUDY FINDS DEMOCRAT-BACKED REPARATIONS PROPOSAL HAS $6.2 QUADRILLION PRICE TAG“

This is going to be really costly for US whitey.
Still love ZOG, white fool?

Why pay? Slavery was the best thing to ever happen to blacks as it transformed them from pathetic stone age canibals into something halfway useful, that can shit on a pot, eat with knife and fork, can every now and then even read and write, drop a ball in a net and has achived a certain level of professionalism in the white powder trade.

Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 3:48 am

Big Tech = Big Fake
Massive Twitter hack:

https://tinyurl.com/y9k423hp

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5f0f76e31f0000120c3381ac.png?cache=38fyB67Uoi&ops=1200_630

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/theOval/2013/04/23/aphackedtweet-16_9.jpg?width=1600&height=800&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

Nice revenge for all that deplatforming of right-wingers.LOL

That’s what you get with all these programmers from India!

https://www.amazon.com/Decline-American-Programmer-Yourdon-1993-06-16/dp/B01FKSGVQ8/ref=sr_1_3

“Decline and Fall of the American Programmer”

Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 4:03 am

Massive Chinese economic recovery:

https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/trotz-coronakrise-china-meldet-bereits-wieder-hohes-wirtschaftswachstum-a-79526321-9685-4487-82d9-07d98d4933cc

2020-Q2 +3.2% as compared to 2019-Q2.
In Q1 it was still -6.8%.
Exports in June +0.5% higher than in June 2019.
Growth is fueled mostly by internal demand.

China is on course to rapidly pick up steam again and claim planetary pole position. And since China is ethnically homogeneous and doesn’t believe in diversity idiocy, as promoted by the tribe of apneaman = famousdrscamlon = iamthemob = duncanidaho, supported by his water carrier empire dave, no civil war is to be expected in China. Don’t hold your breath for the US though.

(Note: Der Spiegel doesn’t like China, Russia, BoJo and certainly not Trump. Only George Soros and his deep state)

Hey lookies, there is apneaman, after the break:

https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/4fc3ed1e-b970-496d-93b4-cfa665696fb3_w948_r1.77_fpx60_fpy50.jpg

Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 4:14 am

Poor apneaman/drfamousscamlon:

https://tinyurl.com/ya9z7e5h

https://tinyurl.com/yd382ags

Darkies are turning against his tribe.

Da real racists:

https://tinyurl.com/y7rg3skb

Note these are US whites. Europeans would score better, because they have a rooted identity of 2000 years, in contrast to our Anglo rootless “nations of immigrants”. Nevertheless that Christianity scam has done almost irreparable damage to the white race. Oh and they forgot to list (((those))) with the highest sense of ethno-centricity of them all.

Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 4:33 am

Abraham van Helsing and Apneaman:

https://i0.wp.com/universalmonstersuniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/dracula-1931-16-g.jpg?fit=1200%2C889

Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 5:18 am

Britain has new rulers:

https://twitter.com/Henrik_Palmgren/status/1283465275292123137

“Edward Colston statue has been replaced with sculpture of a Black Lives Matter protester in Bristol, UK.”

Brexit could not have come at a more opportune moment, for continental Europe (or Europe for short) that is:

“Lord Heseltine suggests Brexit vote allows Germany to win World War Two”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/24/lord-heseltine-suggests-brexit-allowing-germany-win-world-war/

Liberating England should be the last item on any white nationalist todo-list. An imploding North-America is so much more interesting to focus upon and exercise some geopolitical proletarian shopping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvEwjEHkBn8

[41:20]

“The dam is going to burst in the coming months or few years”

She claims somewhere that there won’t be foreign armies conquering an imploding US and that instead predators will prey on other weaker countries outside the US only. That will be true to a certain extent. Major candidates:

– Turkey-Iran dividing the KSA loot and other US vassals in the Gulf area, as well Jordan and regime change in Egypt (Muslim Brotherhood)
– China going after Taiwan, Australia and New Zealand

But Europe is different. Counties volunteer to be a member (Ukraine, Russia and eventually Belo-Russia). Europe has its hands free and no other candidates to pay attention to than North-America. Quebec will almost certainly go back to France. No, there will be no huge EU armies invading North-America… because it is not necessary to own the lot regardless. There are no major US armies in Western Europe either. Important are currency, media and bank ownership, owning nukes, abolishing the FED, controlling the narrative of the history of the 20th century. That’s enough. We’re not going to roll back 1776 and tax North-America. No need to throw crates with tea in Boston harbor. Europe senior, North-America the junior, like during 1492-1776, that will de facto come out of the coming exercise. No need for huge EU armies, just smuggle weapons into North-America as if 1776 never ended, via Mexico, Alaska and Quebec.

Davy on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 5:30 am

“2020-Q2 +3.2% as compared to 2019-Q2. In Q1 it was still -6.8%. Exports in June +0.5% higher than in June 2019. Growth is fueled mostly by internal demand.”

More hype, the reality is they are worried about bank runs and much of the economic activity has nowhere to go. The rest of the world is still struggling. The cloggo believes this stuff because it is important for his anti-Anglo agenda. Got to have a tough China and a struggling Anglo world.

Davy on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 5:32 am

“Turkey-Iran dividing the KSA loot”

There broke and wounded cloggo, they are not going to take over anything. They will struggle to keep the lights on.

Davy on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 5:34 am

“But Europe is different. Counties volunteer to be a member (Ukraine, Russia and eventually Belo-Russia). Europe has its hands free and no other candidates to pay attention to than North-America. Quebec will almost certainly go back to France. No, there will be no huge EU armies invading North-America… because it is not necessary to own the lot regardless. There are no major US armies in Western Europe either. Important are currency, media and bank ownership, owning nukes, abolishing the FED, controlling the narrative of the history of the 20th century.”

Hilarious jingoism and fiction. You should put it in a Natzi pulp fiction, cloggo.

Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 5:49 am

“There broke and wounded cloggo, they are not going to take over anything. They will struggle to keep the lights on.”

Typical American, rootless, deracinated, money-centric view. You don’t understand blood-and-soil nations. These nations can’t go broke. They have a soul, were you have stock charts. That’s is why you go down the drain, where Persia exists for thousands of years and will continue to exist. You are a short-lived freak of nature.

Davy on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 5:52 am

China’s Economy Returns To Growth In Q2 But Retail Sales Continue To Contract
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china

“Even so, weakness in private and external demand means the pace of growth is likely to be well below historical levels.” “Even so, the revival in consumption probably remains a long way off, given changes in behavior to the detriment of contact-intensive services, as well as stress in the labor market and dented incomes…As Bloomberg’s Jeff Black points out, that tells us the recovery is still industry-led, and consumer confidence is still very fragile. That means China’s recovery will be harder to sustain if the world increasingly goes back into lockdown…Sceptics will argue that China’s GDP number will overstate the recovery while others say it reflects the rebound seen in underlying indicators on manufacturing, investment and consumption. But all sides will agree that even if GDP turned positive last quarter, it’s still a long way from a full recovery. We know China’s jobs market is under pressure and we know that the rest of the world remains in a funk. Both of which are clear brakes on China getting back to where it was before the crisis…Additionally, with virus second-wave fears and the Trump administration back in sanction mode and seemingly less inclined to support Phase 1 of the trade deal, let alone Phase 2, perhaps the biggest “V” is now behind China; and none of the China growth is helped by an increasing number of runs of China’s banks.”

Davy on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 6:07 am

“An ill economic wind blows from Singapore”
https://asiatimes.com/2020/07/an-ill-economic-wind-blows-from-singapore/

“With its open and traditionally nimble economy, Singapore often plays a weathervane role for global trade trends. As such, the ill winds blowing across the city-state should worry policymakers worldwide. According to statistics released today (July 14), Singapore saw a startling 12.6% annualized drop in gross domestic product (GDP) between April and June. Viewed quarter-to-quarter, GDP collapsed a whopping 41.2%…The reason economists like Song Seng Wun of CIMB Private Banking see Singapore as the “canary in the coal mine” for global demand is the varied and many drivers on which the city-state relies for growth. And all are flashing trouble signs for what bigger, more systemically vital economic powers might soon face…Manufacturing declines? Check. Activity in Singapore plunged 23.1% compared with a 45.5% pace in the previous three months. Construction? It nosedived 95.6%. Services, meanwhile, dropped 37.7%, as airlines, hotels and restaurants largely shut down during the reporting period. Singapore’s dismal performance came despite four fiscal spending packages in recent months, equivalent to about 20% of GDP…Yet this assumes that Singapore is getting a firm handle on its Covid-19 troubles. In fact, the data doesn’t bear this out. Singapore (population 5.8 million), has more than 46,000 cases, compared to 8,700 in neighboring Malaysia (population 32 million). It assumes, too, that Singapore’s export-reliant economy will soon be exporting to recovering economies in Asia and worldwide.”

Davy on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 6:23 am

“Miami broke an all-time record for high tide floods in 2019, NOAA says”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/miami-broke-an-all-time-record-for-high-tide-floods-in-2019-noaa-says/ar-BB16JMq3

“High tide flood days, the ones where streets and parks get swamped with saltwater despite sunny skies, are becoming more common in Miami. Last year, Miami experienced more of them than ever before. NOAA predicted the Virginia Key tidal gauge would see one to three high tide flood days in 2019. It recorded nine. “When sea levels are a foot higher than normal, these garden variety events cause flooding in the streets,” he said. “Unfortunately, it’s the new normal.” In a newly released report, NOAA found that Miami was one of 19 flood gauges across the country that broke or tied their record in 2019. Another Florida location, Cedar Key, also broke its record with 11 high tide flood days. However, the median high tide flood days for all 98 tidal gauges surveyed didn’t break a record like it did last year. Nicole LeBoeuf, the acting director of NOAA’s National Ocean Service, said high tide flooding is accelerating at 75 percent of the tide gauges surveyed on the East and Gulf Coasts.”

Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 6:35 am

90 prominent Dutch and Flemish sign manifesto against the “cancel culture” and de facto against BLM and its Marxist agenda:

https://www.ed.nl/binnenland/prominente-nederlanders-ondertekenen-manifest-tegen-afrekencultuur~af741764/

Cloggie on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 7:24 am

Have you hugged a turk lately empire dave? I have. They even make house calls for us invalids.

JuanP is up on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 7:29 am

JuanP on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 7:24 am
“Have you hugged a turk lately empire dave? I have. They even make house calls for us invalids.”

Davy on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 8:15 am

“Over 50 Million Americans Have Now Filed For First-Time Jobless Benefits Since Lockdowns Began”
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/over-50-million-americans-have-now-filed-first-time-jobless-benefits-lockdowns

“The big question remains – what happens when the $600 CARES Act bonuses stop flowing?”

JusnP on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 8:43 am

REAL Green on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 8:57 am

“The big question remains – what happens when the $600 CARES Act bonuses stop flowing?”

JuanP trolling on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 9:06 am

Over 50 Million Americans Have Now Filed For First-Time Jobless Benefits Since Lockdowns Began
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/over-50-million-americans-have-now-filed-first-time-jobless-benefits-lockdowns
“The big question remains – what happens when the $600 CARES Act bonuses stop flowing?”

muzzie said there are multiple version of kuran then flag dmca of whitey supertard david woods then relented on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 9:09 am

please be good dhimmi supertards
always show your slave status with your face DIAPER-19

we’re all in this together in the war against CONVICT-19

Duncan Idaho on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 9:40 am

“Sure, he’s a bigot and a buffoon. But maybe it will be fine.”

on the moderated side on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 10:43 am

Re: China is finished… This is the End of China

Postby REAL Green » Thu 16 Jul 2020, 10:41:48

https://peakoil.com/forums/post1454226.html#p1454226

dirtyharry wrote:
OK . I will post the link since we are both in the clear . As to ^Dirty nary^ , I don^t pay attention to such things . This is a peak oil forum with majority serious members and not a ^ Spelling Bee ^ contest . Rest easy .

REAL Green wrote:
Dirty Harry, good work with the emotional invalid. Data does not matter to people like JuanP. It is his message that AsiaUp and UsDown that interest him. There is no in-between with these people. There is no balance nor truth. It is an emotional message. Unfortunately for people like you and I we get sucked into this emotional exercise by spending our time offering information to counter the extremist agendas of people like JuanP, thus we are made polarized. I guess this is just the nature of things in these days of polarization.

zero juan on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 10:44 am

fucking idiot:

muzzie said there are multiple version of kuran then flag dmca of whitey supertard david woods then relented on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 9:09 am

please be good dhimmi supertards
always show your slave status with your face DIAPER-19

we’re all in this together in the war against CONVICT-19

on the moderated side on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 10:50 am

Re: Arctic shipping to conserve energy.

Postby REAL Green » Thu 16 Jul 2020, 10:49:28

sparky wrote:
this last estimate for non ice-ready ships to have a 50 days sailing window around the September minimum this is a variable number weather being what it is but an estimate of one hundred days sailing with ice-breakers is as of now a good estimate

REAL Green wrote:
Thanks Sparky for moderating the exaggerations from JuanP. I didn’t think a year round NWP was a reality either.

on the moderated side on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 10:55 am

Re: Opening Up the Economy Pt. 3

Postby REAL Green » Thu 16 Jul 2020, 10:54:26

JuanP wrote:
These confirms several stories I’ve heard and other evidence I’ve seen here in Miami. If and when those benefits end, the US economy could experience a deeper crisis.

REAL Green wrote:
Well, JuanP, that would sure fill you with joy. The one issue to consider is the US is more likely to recognize and rationalize losses where China and Europe kick the can down the road with the the result being a zombie economy held together by duct tape.

REAL Davy on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 11:36 am

On the lunatic side

Every stupid sock and theft post by daveee

on the moderated side on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 12:03 pm

Re: Opening Up the Economy Pt. 3
Postby REAL Green » Thu 16 Jul 2020, 10:54:26

dirtyharry wrote:
Real, kicking the can down the road was started by the Lyndon Johnson administration when it went blazing in the Vietnam war and started the printing presses to promise the American public ^Guns and Butter^ . So don’t pass the buck to EU, Chinese and Japanese who are only playing ^follow the leader ^ . As to rationalizing and recognizing the losses and zombie companies ,you must be joking . Running QE infinity ,ZIRP and running a deficit of +$ 22 Trillion (official) ,giving funds to Boeing ,American Airlines ,Amtrak etc all zombies . The treasury in collusion with the Congress and the Senate will keep funding them until it all falls apart . From where I come we have a saying ^ When you point a finger at someone ,remember the other three are pointing towards you .^

The board on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 12:40 pm

JuanP on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 11:36 am

“On the lunatic side Every stupid sock and theft post by juanPee”

Ditto

REAL Green on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 12:47 pm

juanPee has us on ignore Davy. He can’t see any of are comments. Were wastin are time trolling him.

Duncan Idaho on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 1:25 pm

Q: What borders on stupidity?
A: Canada and Mexico.

Duncan Idaho on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 1:37 pm

Before, Trump Was a Wealthy Blowhard Buffoon with the Taste of Liberace.

Now he is “President”

the board on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 2:19 pm

JuanP on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 12:47 pm

“juanPee has us on ignore Davy. He can’t see any of are comments. Were wastin are time trolling him.”

Pooor widdle juanPee and his ignore crap. I think juanPee needs a safe space to hide his bad behavior in. He goes over to the moderated side and plays like he is respectable then comes back over here and is criminal. That is what psychopathic people do. They say what needs to be said regardless of the truth. You are skum juanPee.

Davy on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 2:21 pm

“Duncan Idaho on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 1:25 pm
Q: What borders on stupidity?
A: Canada and Mexico.”

Duncan, the border is open for you to leave and most Americans would prefer for people like you to leave. Take the illegal juaPee with you. Between the two of you that would eliminate a whole lot of hate and insanity

Davy on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 2:28 pm

I hate most everyone on this lame unmoderated forum that I spend all day long on every day. Nothing much sane bout that at all.

zero juan on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 2:40 pm

JuanP on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 2:28 pm

“I hate most everyone on this lame unmoderated forum that I spend all day long on every day. Nothing much sane bout that at all.”

juanPee, we know you hate everyone because you have said this over the years here on this board. It is documented. Do I need to show you? LMFAO You are a psychopathic POS and I am taking you down one day at a time. No rest for wicked people like you.

Duncan Idaho on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 2:58 pm

Is there something in the water? Lead paint?

REAL Green on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 2:59 pm

juanPee has us on ignore Davy. He can’t see any of are comments. Were wasting are time trollin him.

Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 3:45 pm

More defection by the designated NWO foot soldiers:

“Nation of Islam posts Farrakhan’s call for Jews to ditch the Talmud & be saved amid Nick Cannon antisemitism debacle”

https://www.rt.com/usa/494872-farrakhan-jews-talmud-cancel-cannon/

https://freespeechextremist.com/media/a8f4b041-a9f5-4f3e-b253-e13384d2905b/8FDD1877-FEE5-4988-8711-40A38A215983.jpg

zero juan on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 3:51 pm

JuanP on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 2:59 pm

“juanPee has us on ignore Davy. He can’t see any of are comments. Were wasting are time trollin him.“

JuanPee is triggered because Davy puts his poop in his nose like a little puppy

Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 4:03 pm

Now here is an upbeat thought:

“Did y’all know that US civilians own more guns (393M) than the entire world’s various militaries do combined? (133M)”

https://twitter.com/inteldotwav/status/1283610056718786563

JuanP on Thu, 16th Jul 2020 4:10 pm

Cloggie, this means you should think twice about sending your fantasy armies to North America

Collapse, you say?

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