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Collapse, you say?

General Ideas

Most of the writing I have done for this blog assumes that my readers are at the very least open to thinking about the collapse of our civilization, and more likely that they have already accepted it as probable and are interested in discussing the details of how it might happen and how to cope with it. But it is pretty clear to me that the general public, even in the midst of a global pandemic, are not ready to entertain the idea that civilization could collapse. If I bring up the idea, the response is most likely to be, “Collapse, you say? Surely not.”

There are a number of reasons for that attitude, the simplest being a cognitive bias against change—the feeling that tomorrow is likely to be pretty much like today. This is aided and abetted by a lot of propaganda about how great BAU (Business as Usual) really is and the progress it promises for the future. Indeed, we are told that there simply isn’t any better way of running the world than neo-liberal capitalism, no real alternatives at all. We’ve been told this for so long (at least the 30 years or so since the USSR fell) and so forcefully that most of the world’s population is experiencing an almost complete failure of imagination. And that is both a failure to imagine any better way of running things, and a failure to conceive what the consequences might be if we continue as we are.

Along with this, when the subject of collapse does come up, it is almost always discussed in terms of a hard and fast collapse—more of an apocalypse, really—which understandably stirs up such feelings of fear that people retreat into denial. But even minor suggestions of things like “degrowth” are not well received—we’ve been promised on-going progress, and any suggestion that a reduction in our consumption level, a little less comfort and convenience, might be in order, is met with consternation. You hear people saying that, if that’s what’s ahead of us, they’d rather be dead.

On the other hand, there are people like me who are convinced that the collapse of our civilization is either already happening or soon will be. Why do we think that?

It might be wise at this point to dig a little deeper into what I mean by “the collapse of our civilization”. Well, one characteristic of all civilizations is that their individual members are not entirely self sufficient—they rely at least to some extent on the mechanisms of production and distribution built into their civilization for the necessities of life. What those necessities might be varies with who you ask. My list includes air, water, food, housing, health care, education and meaningful work, all provided in a context where people feel that they belong, where help is available when you need it and where you have a role to play in helping others when they need it. Of course, there are many approaches to how these necessities are to be acquired, and various ideas about what constitutes enough.

In our “industrial” society, since the invention of heat engines powered by fossil fuels, the production and distribution of what is needed has largely been mechanized. Our population is hardly self sufficient at all—only very rarely do we make anything we need with our own hands. And only a very few people, living in the remotest locations are independent of this system. We have filled up essentially the whole world, and converted it to our uses, so that a return to subsistence agriculture or hunting and gathering would not be possible for most of us even if we wanted it, and most of us don’t.

When a civilization starts to collapse, its mechanisms of production and distribution begin to work less and less well. A decline in both population and complexity ensues. In our industrial society, where human and animal muscles have been largely replaced by machines powered by various forms of energy, there will also be a significant reduction in energy use and consumption of manufactured goods.

All this continues until the collapsing civilization either falls apart completely or overcomes its difficulties and recovers in a different form. In the past it often took hundreds of years for a civilization to collapse. My opinion is that our society started to collapse about 50 years ago and has a few decades, or at least years, left to go. But however long it may take to get to the end of the process, it is important to realize that, nowadays, collapse is going on around us all the time.

A scholarly expert on collapse might now offer some numerical measures to help us judge when a society has actually collapsed. I like to look at that a little differently, to turn it on its head, so to speak. I would say that if you, as an individual, are no longer being supplied with the necessities of life then for you collapse has already occurred, even though everything is going along quite normally for the people driving over the bridge that you are living under.

I seems to me that collapsing civilizations share some characteristics, and I can see those characteristics in events today:

  • One, collapse progresses slowly, so that if you’re viewing it from inside and it hasn’t hit you with any great force as yet, you may be hard pressed to recognize what is happening.
  • Two, collapse progresses uneven geographically—some places continue to do just fine while others fall apart disastrously. If you live in an area that is not yet affected, you may wonder what all the fuss is about, or at least think that while it’s tough for those other folks, it can’t happen to you.
  • Three, collapse progresses unsteadily in the chronological sense, with long periods where nothing much changes, separated by sudden steps downward. During those long quiet periods, you could be excused for thinking that everything is just fine because, at least on the surface, it is.
  • And four, collapse progresses unequally across social classes. The upper, ruling classes are in control (as much as anyone is) and have the wherewithal to direct resources to their own benefit, and away from the lower classes. And because they can get by just fine without knowing much at all about how things are going in the rest of society, they are often unaware that there is any sort of problem. Of course, when collapse finally does hit them, it is felt all the harder because they have never experienced hard times. For those at the bottom of the social ladder, collapse is just more of the same shit they’ve been putting up with all along.

Ideally, as an individual, family, or community in a collapsing civilization, you would like to be aware of what’s coming, prepare for it and eventually succeed in adapting to it. But as you can see from the four points I’ve just listed, this is difficult because it’s hard to tell what’s going on until it’s too late.

This started out as a simple, “one post topic”, but now it looks like it is going to take about five posts to clearly get across why I think collapse is happening and to have a look at what options we have and where this process is likely to take us:

  • This post, in which I’ve introduced the subject.
  • Two, in which I’ll look at the inputs and output of our civilization and what is wrong with the way they are being handled.
  • Three, in which I’ll look inside our civilization at its fundamental, structural weaknesses.
  • Four, in which we’ll look at how all this has been and continues to contribute to collapse.
  • And five, in which, we’ll look at several possibilities for our future—what the rest of this collapse may look like.

Irv Mills doomstead diner



206 Comments on "Collapse, you say?"

  1. Duncan Idaho on Tue, 14th Jul 2020 6:55 pm 

    A Republican congressman just got charged with 3 felonies — including voter fraud

    A position in the Trump Cabinet?

    https://www.alternet.org/2020/07/a-republican-congressman-just-got-charged-with-3-felonies-including-voter-fraud/

  2. FamousDrScanlon on Tue, 14th Jul 2020 7:07 pm 

    Abraham van victim, what’s it like playing & feeling a victim to so many nefarious forces for 7-8 decades?

    Immigrants

    Da Jooo’s – Judeo-Bolsheviks & Capitalist banking Jews

    Blacks

    Muslims

    Liberals

    Sounds to me like these tribes have been using you as their fuck-toy your entire life. Little Dutch-boy cum bucket. Doing whatever they want and getting away with it.

    I know they are wounding you & getting away with it because you tell me many times a day every day. Well, not just me, everyone. Hoping if you throw up enough examples someone will do something about it. Something you can’t or won’t. You’re powerless. Haven’t been able to stop or change anything – ever.

    It’s going to get worse. More of the things you don’t want to happen keep happening. Now your hated WOKE enemy is tearing down statues of your beloved white heroes. What have you done about? Nothing but shit out a few more links & even more, ‘just you wait & see’ bull shit stories of a Caucasian golden age to come. Whitey 2.0

    You’re an advocate for change as long as there is no risk or sacrifice on your part. Just like an environmentalists.

    You suffer like so many others. That’s what ideals & caring get you.

    Me? I’m like the 1%ers, but without the insatiable ambition, predation & deception (just enough to get by).

    I neither care nor believe & I see y’all as dumb sheep.

  3. JuanP on Tue, 14th Jul 2020 7:09 pm 

    “Scanning the headlines this AM, it is more of the same. Amerika is sliding down that slippery slope to the 3rd word and into a fascist police state. Isolation Czar is Trump’s title, not president.”

    Mak, you mean you researched the anti-American news. You have no interest in anything else. You are a broken record of hate and resentment. Your cognitive decline is very noticeable these days.

  4. FamousDrScanlon on Tue, 14th Jul 2020 7:12 pm 

    I am in agreement with your observations JuanP. makati1 definitely has cognitive decline issues combined with anger issues.

  5. makati1 on Tue, 14th Jul 2020 7:26 pm 

    Anon, Davy sets a new high for delusions, hate and psychosis. He has no family, obviously. And, I even doubt he has a farm and/or animals. I see him in a tar-paper shack in the back woods of the Ozarks. He is an example of why Amerika is going down the shitter.

    He has ruined a good forum for discussion. I guess the ad kliks are worth more to the site owner than providing what was once a good debate site. Sigh.

  6. Davy on Tue, 14th Jul 2020 7:28 pm 

    My kinda people:

    “Can Trump Pull A Truman?”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/buchanan-can-trump-pull-truman

    “Over the weekend, the bad news on the virus front turned awful, for the country and Trump. The U.S. dead from the coronavirus hit 135,000. COVID-19 deaths, whose weekly average had been falling since April, began to rise again. New cases of the infection began appearing in previously unseen numbers across the Sun Belt. Florida set a U.S. record with more than 15,000 new cases in one day. This surge in infections is occurring as the nation debates whether to send its young back to schools. Children, teachers and students could arrive in classrooms in the millions in late summer only to be sent home in a new shutdown as a second wave of COVID-19 hits this fall. Were that not enough to concentrate the mind, an economy that was as strong as any in modern history last winter now looks to be in a depression. Were that not enough to concentrate the mind, an economy that was as strong as any in modern history last winter now looks to be in a depression. The good news of the May-June revival could be canceled out by shutdowns mandated by the new infections. Beyond this, America’s racial divide has reopened. The attacks on cops and their demonization in the wake of the killing of George Floyd, has led to demoralization, resignations and retirements, and, from there, to an explosion of shootings and killings in major cities. And we have witnessed the outbreak of a cultural revolution, which holds that as America has, from birth, been a slave-owning society whose policies toward the native-born amounted to cultural and ethnic genocide, the statues of those generations of men who produced such a history should all be pulled down and smashed. What the Trump folks must do now is to zero in on Biden’s vulnerabilities, personal and political. The Trump folks need to force Biden to come out of his basement and either embrace or renounce the radical elements of his agenda.”

    Makin America Great Again.
    Go Trump!

  7. makati1 on Tue, 14th Jul 2020 7:32 pm 

    “Can Trump Pull A Truman?”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/buchanan-can-trump-pull-truman

    “Over the weekend, the bad news on the virus front turned awful, for the country and Trump. The U.S. dead from the coronavirus hit 135,000. COVID-19 deaths, whose weekly average had been falling since April, began to rise again. New cases of the infection began appearing in previously unseen numbers across the Sun Belt. Florida set a U.S. record with more than 15,000 new cases in one day. This surge in infections is occurring as the nation debates whether to send its young back to schools. Children, teachers and students could arrive in classrooms in the millions in late summer only to be sent home in a new shutdown as a second wave of COVID-19 hits this fall. Were that not enough to concentrate the mind, an economy that was as strong as any in modern history last winter now looks to be in a depression. Were that not enough to concentrate the mind, an economy that was as strong as any in modern history last winter now looks to be in a depression. The good news of the May-June revival could be canceled out by shutdowns mandated by the new infections. Beyond this, America’s racial divide has reopened. The attacks on cops and their demonization in the wake of the killing of George Floyd, has led to demoralization, resignations and retirements, and, from there, to an explosion of shootings and killings in major cities. And we have witnessed the outbreak of a cultural revolution, which holds that as America has, from birth, been a slave-owning society whose policies toward the native-born amounted to cultural and ethnic genocide, the statues of those generations of men who produced such a history should all be pulled down and smashed. What the Trump folks must do now is to zero in on Biden’s vulnerabilities, personal and political. The Trump folks need to force Biden to come out of his basement and either embrace or renounce the radical elements of his agenda.”

    Makin America Great Again.
    Go Trump!

  8. makati1 on Tue, 14th Jul 2020 7:33 pm 

    Anon, JuanP sets a new high for delusions, hate and psychosis. He has no family, obviously. And, I even doubt he has a farm and/or animals. I see him in a tar-paper shack in the back woods of the Florida. He is an example of why Amerika is going down the shitter.

    He has ruined a good forum for discussion. I guess the ad kliks are worth more to the site owner than providing what was once a good debate site. Sigh.

  9. Anonymouse on Tue, 14th Jul 2020 7:35 pm 

    Mak, we could spot JuanP’s ID theft all the way from Cuba. His mental condition these days, is as bad as its ever been. Which for him, is saying something. His constant and bulllying and socking gets more strident and over the top with each passing day.

    It must be beyond terrible for the few still-living pet rats on that ‘farm’ of his.

  10. SocialRevolutionComing on Tue, 14th Jul 2020 7:37 pm 

    So true Anon so true

  11. Davy on Tue, 14th Jul 2020 7:38 pm 

    We hate this lame unmoderated forum. That’s why were here from the time we gets up in the morning, til mommy tucks us in for beddy-byes.

  12. REAL Green on Tue, 14th Jul 2020 7:43 pm 

    So true Davey. So true.

  13. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 1:09 am 

    Abraham van Helsing says immigrants created deplorables.

    It’s immigrants fault I’m an alcoholic.

    It’s immigrants fault I’m a meth addict.

    It’s immigrants fault I’m grossly obese & 80% of my diet is refined carbohydrates.

    It’s immigrants fault I’ve never read a book.

    “Indians” didn’t read books either, yet they ended up as alcoholics as well, because they lost their country.

    Now the same thing is happening to white Americans. White Americans, the underclasses of Europe and anti-intellectuals, never were book readers, not even in their best days, they outsourced reading and thinking to apneaman’s tribe, that loves reading books, because reading means absorbing knowledge=power, enabling the intentional strangling of thoughtless, clueless white America through mass third world immigration, entirely organized by apneaman’s tribe, that conquered the finances (1913), media (twenties) and finally the government (1933) of the country, in order to set the US on a warpath, sick white America into a war in order to let them fetch Europe for them for the Tribe.

    For continental Europe the developments are only good, because the decay of America is far more advanced than the decay in continental Europe, with Britain somewhere in between, offering continental Europe an escape route from the post-WW2 order.

    The decay of white America means the decay of America and the immanent end of the empire. Perhaps apneaman’s tribe can hold on to the US (and the UK), if white America volunteers to role over and die, but even that isn’t certain. Eurasia (EU, Russia and China) is going to make short shrift with the Anglo-Zionist yapper and it’s dollar, regardless. Everybody here knows it is over soon. Even the US vassal media here in Europe regularly point at the declining role of the US, the rise of China and that Europe must take care of its own defenses.

    Apneaman’s tribe may have conquered Europe for a handful of decades, via achieving a dominant position in both the US and USSR, and setting Europe up for war, but they also have sown the seeds of their own geopolitical downfall with the 1965 immigration act. If they hold on to power, it will mean ruling a third world impotent shit-hole.

    The pictures from America will spell the end of the rule of the left in Europe, like it already did in Eastern Europe and will achieve what no populist party could ever achieve. And these pictures will only get worse, undermining the legitimacy of the diversity mongers here in Western Europe. Expect the Versailles and Nuremberg tales to evaporate.

    So apneaman, mind the step on your way out and demand your rightful place in Madame Tussaud’s mausoleum, next to Huns and Mongols, these two other Mid-Eurasian menaces.

  14. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 1:49 am 

    Trump allows white hair to shine through… and looks better, more elder statesman-like:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8524393/Trump-embraces-gray-hair-amid-coronavirus-pandemic.html

    #FourMoreYears

  15. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 2:24 am 

    Disgusting white nutter BLM females causing a stir in Texas restaurant:

    https://www.infowars.com/black-lives-matter-mob-invades-dallas-restaurant-tries-to-start-riot/

    This is what the nihilistic, self-defeating christian love religion-of-the-other-cheek, secular or otherwise, does to people.

  16. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 2:31 am 

    New Corona insights:

    http://www.pi-news.net/2020/07/das-corona-geisterschiff/

    Argentina, fish trawler, 61 men crew, 14 days quarantine time in hotel, all tested negative. They go fishing, 35 days later they are forced to come home because several were ill. 57 out of 61 were tested positive.

    Conclusion: 14 days quarantine are not enough.

  17. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 2:46 am 

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg (87) again in the hospital, our thoughts and prayers are of course with this liberal troll, who could be with Yahweh before you can say Hitler, opening up the interesting possibility for Trump to insert yet another conservative judge in the constitutional court, before November.

    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/supreme-court-sorge-um-gesundheit-von-ruth-bader-ginsburg-a-65829d10-3ef4-462b-9301-1d7d219de0f1

  18. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 7:24 am 

    Nord Stream: the ticking time bomb under NATO and the West:

    https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2020/07/13/nord-stream-2-undermines-nato-unity/

    Germany-EU preparing for counter sanctions if Trump has the nerve to attempt to block the last 100 km of the pipeline. The US social order is melting away anyway.

    Trouble brewing between the UK and China:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8525043/China-accuses-Britain-colluding-discriminate-against-Huawei.html#comments

    “China threatens to pull big business out of Britain and accuses Boris Johnson of being ‘America’s dupe’ after banning Huawei from UK’s 5G network”

    The fault lines between Anglosphere and Eurasia are getting wider and wider.

    The waiting is for NYC jungle bunnies to loot the UN HQ, providing Eurasia the excuse to withdraw from globalist institutions and start all over again in Eurasia.

  19. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 10:21 am 

    Migrants trying to push a French boy into the sewer:

    https://twitter.com/MarkACollett/status/1282769195093155840?s=20

    Here shit-hole Missouri, where a gay-looking white boy is being hit by a coon, without provocation. The approaching coon seems to mock the effeminate movements of the girly boy, so that’s the provocation.

    Well, well, well, the western left has forced us to become mass-murderers in the near future, if we want to survive, because the third world invaders have little patience with humanism and other forms of Christian-derived weaknesses. These jungle bunnies can’t solve differential equations or write computer programs, but can smell moral weakness from miles away. Hence the Missouri darkie getting out of his SUV, dancing towards the poofter and hit him out of pure lust and contempt.

    For me the downfall of empire is the perfect opportunity to finally de-christianize the white race and get rid of that jewish-invented shit-hole religion…

    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/19322/19322-h/19322-h.htm

    …and inflict a crushing defeat on its inventors, enabled by the coming chaos and maelstrom of violence in North-America.

    The “Rivers of Blood” speech, made by British Member of Parliament Enoch Powell on 20 April 1968, is now about to become realized. If Trump gets reelected, it would merely mean 4 years delay of execution, pun-intended.

    #RomanValues
    #HappinessIsAWarmGun

  20. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 10:59 am 

    Especially the second part of this podcast is interesting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weZcU95YfHc

    Good information about the mood in the country. Also refers to the situation on American roads. Not too safe:

    https://www.transportationnation.com/another-trucker-comes-under-gunfire-attack-while-on-interstate/

    “Another Trucker Comes Under Gunfire Attack While on Interstate”

    Won’t be long before trucks will be forced to drive in convoys, with police or private guards. Expect roadblocks to appear, everywhere:

    https://www.truckinginfo.com/359527/riots-put-truckers-in-dangerous-situations

    “George Floyd Protests Put Truckers in Dangerous Situations”

    Note that the big cities are depending on supplies, a lot of them delivered by trucks. Imagine that truckers deem the risk too high to deliver. Then certain demographics will be forced to leave the cities for some industrial strength shopping elsewhere.

  21. Davy on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 11:07 am 

    “Migrants trying to push a French boy into the sewer:
    https://twitter.com/MarkACollett/status/1282769195093155840?s=20”

    Wow, how friggin fake was that, cloggo! LMFAO. And you believe this shit?

    “Here shit-hole Missouri, where a gay-looking white boy is being hit by a coon, without provocation. The approaching coon seems to mock the effeminate movements of the girly boy, so that’s the provocation.”

    Got a link?

    “Well, well, well, the western left has forced us to become mass-murderers in the near future, if we want to survive, because the third world invaders have little patience with humanism and other forms of Christian-derived weaknesses. These jungle bunnies can’t solve differential equations or write computer programs, but can smell moral weakness from miles away. Hence the Missouri darkie getting out of his SUV, dancing towards the poofter and hit him out of pure lust and contempt.”

    Got a link?

    “For me the downfall of empire is the perfect opportunity to finally de-christianize the white race and get rid of that jewish-invented shit-hole religion…”

    Oh dear, cloggo the megalomaniac. He is thinking big. LOL

    “…and inflict a crushing defeat on its inventors, enabled by the coming chaos and maelstrom of violence in North-America.”

    Anglo derangement

  22. Davy on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 11:18 am 

    “Especially the second part of this podcast is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weZcU95YfHc Good information about the mood in the country. Also refers to the situation on American roads. Not too safe: https://www.transportationnation.com/another-trucker-comes-under-gunfire-attack-while-on-interstate/ “Another Trucker Comes Under Gunfire Attack While on Interstate”

    This comes from the Anglo deranged Dutch guy who has never been to the US. His agenda is 20/7 promotion of the demise of the US. LMFAO. Cloggo, some places are not safe others are fine. You exaggerate shit way out of proportion.

    “ Won’t be long before trucks will be forced to drive in convoys, with police or private guards. Expect roadblocks to appear, everywhere: https://www.truckinginfo.com/359527/riots-put-truckers-in-dangerous-situations “

    LOL LOL

    “George Floyd Protests Put Truckers in Dangerous Situations” Note that the big cities are depending on supplies, a lot of them delivered by trucks. Imagine that truckers deem the risk too high to deliver. Then certain demographics will be forced to leave the cities for some industrial strength shopping elsewhere.”

    Cloggo, please this is not widespread as you make it out to be. You are a deceptive lying person. You are a fraud!

  23. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 11:24 am 

    “Got a link?”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPSaZC4050

    If I listen to Theedrich and GSR, they will pass the same message, namely that it is over. And makati, but he no longer lives in the US and is no stake-holder.

    But you will deny reality until the bros from St. Louis-East will appear on your farm with their pickups and an empty stomach.

  24. Duncan Idaho on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 11:27 am 

    The Fat Boys sideshow act is getting truly pathetic?
    https://www.alternet.org/2020/07/even-fox-news-is-rattled-as-trumps-unhinged-rose-garden-campaign-rally-proves-his-sideshow-act-is-getting-truly-pathetic/

  25. Davy on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 11:32 am 

    “Got a link?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPSaZC4050”

    cloggo, you can’t trust a youtube. liers like you make this shit up.

    “But you will deny reality until the bros from St. Louis-East will appear on your farm with their pickups and an empty stomach.”

    cloggo, the brothers will own their few city blocks but they won’t make it far. I can’t believe you think they would show up at my farm. This is how fucking stupid you are. An Anglo deranged guy in his little sanitized Dutch neighborhood house who 20/7 lives in his chair with his Ipad. You have no concept of my reality in my world. I am 2 1/2 hours from east STL. There are many miles of interstate and hostile people o put a stop to the brothers. You think a group that numbers maybe 100 is going to take over the state. What a fucking idiot.

  26. Duncan Idaho on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 11:33 am 

    “He needs rallies like he needs Diet Coke and L’Oréal Light Reddish Blond hair color.”
    https://digbysblog.net/2020/07/trumps-rose-garden-strategy/

  27. Davy on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 11:40 am 

    “The Fat Boys sideshow act is getting truly pathetic”

    Idaho, does not like law and order. But he is embarrassed that his liberal enclaves are lawless now. It shows how failed his people are.

  28. Duncan Idaho on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 11:54 am 

    1987 — US: John Poindexter testifies at Iran-Contra hearings.
    “The decision to go ahead with the operation was mine. The buck stops here with me. The decision making process at the White House was so vile, projectile vomiting was the norm among staff. That shiite for brains, mommy whopped, ex-hack B-actor, couldn’t wipe his ass without clearing it with that dingbat astrologer in Frisco.”

  29. REAL Green on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 12:15 pm 

    Oops, sorry Abraham van Helsing. Looks like we lost another debate again.

    “The man accused of punching a 12-year-old street dancer has turned himself in”
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/us/cedric-moore-dance-boy-trnd/index.html

    “Police in Missouri have arrested a man accused of sucker punching a 12-year-old boy while he was dancing, causing him to bleed from his head and his nose. Police officers were able to identify Moore after viewing video footage of the incident and issued a warrant for his arrest, according to police. Officers attempted to find Moore at his residence and at other locations he was known to frequent but were “met with a lack of cooperation from the suspect’s friends and family,” police said in a statement. On Wednesday, Moore turned himself in to the Scott County Sheriff’s Office in Benton, Missouri. Police said he is being charged with second-degree felony assault and first-degree felony child endangerment. His bond was set at $50,000 cash only.”

  30. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 12:25 pm 

    Scotland 54% in favor of independence, a record. That’s a 2% larger margin than Brexit:

    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/corona-krise-in-grossbritannien-staerkt-unabhaengigkeitsbewegung-in-schottland-a-3f76249d-f43c-431e-bd5a-cdae6600e454

    Wait until the Brexit economic results come in.

    In Wales the movement for independence is growing as well, but they are only at 25%, albeit an all-time high:

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/quarter-voters-wales-now-favour-18374028

    (Brexit in Wales 52-48 in favor)

  31. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 2:17 pm 

    Maximum population in sight, not as bad as feared: 9.7 billion in 2064 and rapid decline after that.

    8.8 billion in 2100.

    https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/weltbevoelkerung-in-45-jahren-schrumpft-die-menschheit-a-1cb2c24f-3c57-4ff6-8aff-5bb3386c0c8a

    Source:

    Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) University of Washington in Seattle

  32. Duncan Idaho on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 5:09 pm 

    That smell? That’s not roses. It’s the mingled scents of raw bullshit and pure panic.

  33. JuanP on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 5:13 pm 

    Duncan, you being so old you won’t have to worry about the future

  34. Davy on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 5:57 pm 

    Were not far behind him juanPee.

  35. makati1 on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 6:02 pm 

    2100. Everyone on here will be dead. Most of our grand kids will be also. No one can possibly have any idea what 2100 will be like. Maybe there will be only roaches and mutant rats? A nuclear war will ensure that future.

  36. Duncan Idaho on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 6:16 pm 

    CLOSED CASES
    1,776,182
    Cases which had an outcome:
    1,636,180 (92%)
    Recovered / Discharged

    140,002 (8%)
    Deaths

  37. JuanP on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 6:23 pm 

    Mak, you have maybe 8 years left so let us know how it goes.

  38. makati1 on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 6:40 pm 

    JuanP, aka, Delusional Davy, I have a lot more than 8 years to go. My health is better than yours by far and my family has long life spans. I have 13 more years just to match my dad and 15 to match my mom. I am shooting for my 100th birthday. I do not live in a polluted, drugged up, unhealthy police state like you all.

    The air here is from the Pacific, the water is from rain (also from the Pacific), no industry within 50 miles, less than 100 cars in this area, etc. Your air comes from thousands of factories, power plants, millions of cars, etc. Your water comes from polluted wells and commercial river water. And your deathcare system is too expensive to use. Hmm. Who will live longer? We shall see.

  39. JuanP on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 6:46 pm 

    Mak, you won’t make it to 100 where did you get that crazy idea? Statistically you have 8 years so grow up and learn to live with that fact. You are going to be dead soon.

  40. Duncan Idaho on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 6:47 pm 

    “Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.”
    ~ Thomas Jefferson

  41. JuanP on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 6:50 pm 

    Duncan, your people want Thomas Jefferson erased from the history books. What’s up with that?

  42. makati1 on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 6:53 pm 

    Juan, you know Duncan is a closet Trump supporter. He just pretends to be a Democrat.

  43. Davy on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 6:54 pm 

    That’s nothing juanPee. We voted for Trump.

  44. FamousDrScanlon on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 6:56 pm 

    Mak, there is a condition for people like Duncan. It is called paintballing

  45. SocialRevolutionComing on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 6:57 pm 

    Dr. Stupid, I think you mean gaslighting. Dumb fuck

  46. makati1 on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 7:01 pm 

    My man in Philly!
    Philly Mayor’s Ban On Large Events “Does Not Apply” To Protests Or “Demonstrations”
    Philadelphia Democratic Mayor James Kenney says his city-wide ban on large events and gatherings through February 2021 does not apply to protests. “The city’s office of special events will not accept, review, process or approve applications, issue permits or enter into agreements for special events or public gatherings of 50 people or more on public property through the end of February. The moratorium will apply to special events and public gatherings, including but not limited to festivals, parades, concerts, carnivals, fairs and flea markets,” Kenney said during a coronavirus video update on Tuesday. “In addition, permit applications for residential block permits will not be accepted until further notice. The timeline when such activities may resume will be communicated as soon as possible. To be clear, this hold on large public events does not, does not apply to demonstrations and First Amendment protected activities,” he added.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/philly-mayors-ban-large-events-does-not-apply-protests-or?utm_source=justthenews.com&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=external-news-aggregators

  47. REAL Green on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 7:03 pm 

    Apeman is ten times smarter then we ever will be Davy.

  48. JuanP on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 7:04 pm 

    Oops, Mak, maybe our faith in the Red Dragon is misplaced:

    China Rocked By “Unprecedented” Surge In Bank Runs
    Fast forward to today, when a confluence of the adverse trends that emerged in 2018 and 2019, coupled with the historic economic slowdown in China’s economy, and accelerated by social media-fueled rumors about collapsing banks have sparked what Bloomberg called an “unprecedented” surge of bank runs, forcing regulators and even the police to step in to calm depositors. According to Bloomberg, in just the past few weeks, worried savers have descended on three banks to withdraw funds amid rumors of cash shortages that were later dismissed as false. Over the weekend customers rushed to a bank in the northern Hebei province to take out money, prompting local regulators to publicly vouch for the soundness of its lenders as the police halted the run. Indeed, as Bloomberg adds, “after several bailouts and the first bank seizure in more than two decades last year, the coronavirus outbreak and its economic fallout have exacerbated an already shaky situation in the world’s largest banking system” leading to a sharp erosion of confidence in the $43 trillion banking system among the nation’s more than 1 billion account holders, threatening a cornerstone of China’s rise into an economic powerhouse. “The perception Chinese savers had of banks being risk free is changing even though in nearly all recent cases their deposits have been protected,” said China International Capital Corp analyst Zhang Shuaishuai. “Once a rumor like this spreads, it brings immediate liquidity risk to a bank.” There is probably a reason for why these “rumors” have led to such a dramatic response: they merely bring to the surface whatever most already know, namely that behind its sterling facade, China’s banking system is rotten to the core, with lies upon lies about trillions in non-performing loans…

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-rocked-unprecedented-surge-bank-runs

  49. Davy on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 7:05 pm 

    Oops, sorry y’all. Wrong link again.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/philly-mayors-ban-large-events-does-not-apply-protests-or-demonstrations

  50. Duncan Idaho on Wed, 15th Jul 2020 7:07 pm 

    Well—–

    https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/users/user1368/job_bleach_0a9-1.png

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