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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 09 Mar 2011, 21:23:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I') have a pretty good amount of contact with those in the military, and many, even the lower ranks know where the bear sits... they are not totally naive.

A fair number (probably more than the general population) know about peak oil and doom being around the corner. This can be a good thing if they decide to be mostly a force for good like their counterparts recently in Egypt, or they could prove to be highly disciplined & trained Toecutters...


Or they could head out Idaho like these guys.

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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 09 Mar 2011, 21:28:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')That's the plan, keep everyone fat, lazy and stupid, much eaiser then to manipulate.


More victim mentality. It's not my fault! Honest!

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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby Lore » Wed 09 Mar 2011, 22:04:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')That's the plan, keep everyone fat, lazy and stupid, much eaiser then to manipulate.


More victim mentality. It's not my fault! Honest!

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I never said it was your fault.
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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 09 Mar 2011, 22:17:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')I never said it was your fault.


You missed my sarcasm. I detected a hint of the catch-all "them" in your post. That's why I posted the image of smoking man.
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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby Lore » Wed 09 Mar 2011, 22:29:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')I never said it was your fault.


You missed my sarcasm. I detected a hint of the catch-all "them" in your post. That's why I posted the image of smoking man.


No I got it... just having fun with your statement.
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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 09 Mar 2011, 22:57:09

It is your fault mos, it's all your fault. :lol:
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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby americandream » Wed 09 Mar 2011, 23:09:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'W')E, us, you and I, GRANT others the right to boss us around.

Egalitarianism is great, but it is not the predominant social structure. Maybe it should be, but it is not.

Why?

My argument is that we get the world we build, and this is what we have built. If art is something we create, and what we create is a tunnel into our internal mind then our world as it is constructed is a tunnel into our species internal workings.

Kinda scary!


The issue is not egalitarianism, it is one of sustainable modernity. Using our resources in a way that is inter-generationally viable. America has set a bad example of excess and greed and the consequences will be felt. The remedies will be clear, we will choose and either continue as a species or be rendered extinct.

Quite simple choices really calling for a degree of thought.
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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Thu 10 Mar 2011, 01:56:07

White people feel Ok because no matter how bad thing get, they still get to slap around brown people.
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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 10 Mar 2011, 03:37:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shar_Lamagne', 'O')rganize. Join a Union. Support collective bargaining and the right to strike. Head into the streets when necessary.


Hello? Anybody home? People dont do shit anymore, what are you going to strike about?



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shar_Lamagne', 'I')t cost many lives before TPTB finally acceded to 8 hr work days. See the history of the labor movement.

There ARE things worth putting your life on the line for.


Yeah, and an 8 hr work day is surely one of them. Shame you missed the whole thing.
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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 10 Mar 2011, 03:40:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', ' ')In my theory (which just happens to be brilliant and right!) there is nothing to be done about it because it is part of human nature.


Or not.


"Egalitarianism is an essential part of human nature; it is the very thing that led to our humanity, and remains an undeniable yearning in the human spirit that continues to shape our political fortunes (see thesis #7). Hierarchy is the antithesis of that, and thus, we cannot avoid the inescapable conclusion that hierarchy itself is dehumanizing and maladapted to the human condition. It appears to suit many of our closest primate relatives just fine (chimpanzees, for example), but it denies the very thing that created us as a unique species — our egalitarianism."

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/HTML/Jas ... html#toc18


what a drivel. Somebody clearly forgot to welcome the author to the planet.
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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby Shar_Lamagne » Thu 10 Mar 2011, 04:35:23

Pretorian you are just a neo-fascist troll.

You want to see a strike, wait til tomorrow in Wisconsin. Perhaps nationwide as the Unions were already meeting to organize a nationwide strike. This is better to watch than France, because the Americans are just beginning to find their way again, and the Evil is so blatant.
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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 10 Mar 2011, 11:29:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nne Habel, a steward with AFSCME Local 171, said Wednesday's action will further inflame the unions, which have staged repeated protests since Walker introduced his budget repair bill in mid-February.

"Every time something happens, people become more militant," Habel said.

Jim Roberts, a retired Madison Fire Department lieutenant, was among those who raced to the Capitol after hearing about the impending vote. Wearing a fire helmet and carrying a protest sign, Roberts said Wednesday's vote made it clear to him that the real goal was busting unions, not balancing the state budget.

Thousands of protesters rushed into the Wisconsin state Capitol on Wednesday evening moments after Senate Republicans passed a plan to strip most public workers of their collective bargaining rights, breaking windows and door locks and forcing police to retreat from the building’s entrances.

As word that the vote was coming spread, hundreds of protesters moved into the building before it’s official 6 p.m. closing time and jammed the corridors in front of the Senate chamber, chanting shame.

Moments after the vote, protesters locked outside began pounding on the Capitol’s now-locked doors, demanding to be let in. Police were able for a time to hold their positions, but somehow more and more people found a way in. State Department of Administration spokesman Tim Donovan said people broke windows and door locks. He said he didn’t have any further details.

In a span of perhaps an hour and half, thousands of protesters had found their way in. At one point police at one of the Capitol’s main entrances retreated from their positions and just let them pour inside.

“Law enforcement officers have moved to other positions,” Donovan acknowledged after those officers retreated. “They’re holding different ground.”

Within minutes the protesters had all but seized the building again, turning the place into a free-for-all. They banged drums, blew whistles and shouted their mantra, “This is what democracy looks like!” and “Who’s house? Our house!” There were no reports of violence.

So many people jammed the second-floor skywalks linking the building’s wings that Capitol Police got back on the loudspeaker and warned them the bridges could collapse. No one moved.

Asked about the police’s plan, Donovan said officers just hoped to make sure no one got hurt.

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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 10 Mar 2011, 11:42:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'I')t is your fault mos, it's all your fault. :lol:


I've learned the hard way never to interrupt a lynch mob mentality on a worldsend or you'll get tarred and feathered as part of the problem.

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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 10 Mar 2011, 11:45:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')I've learned the hard way never to interrupt a lynch mob mentality on a worldsend or you'll get tarred and feathered as part of the problem.



We're all a little sticky. :)
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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 10 Mar 2011, 16:49:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I') think hierarchy is a part of human nature... just as you can't expect a 3-yr old to display the same judgment as most adults, you can't expect all adults to have the same skills, judgment etc.



Different skill sets is not the same as hierarchy. My husband and I have different skill sets, but that doesn't mean one of us is granted the right to boss the other one around or enjoy more luxuries, etc.

What if one person displays bad judgment on finances for example?

Should they have have equal say in finances? Or would debt and bankruptcy be the acceptable cost of equality?
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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 10 Mar 2011, 16:57:42

A unionized public employee, a teapartier, and a CEO are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table is a plate with a dozen cookies on it.

The CEO reaches across and takes 11 cookies, then looks at the teapartier and says 'Watch out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie!'
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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 10 Mar 2011, 21:25:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'A') unionized public employee, a teapartier, and a CEO are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table is a plate with a dozen cookies on it.

The CEO reaches across and takes 11 cookies, then looks at the teapartier and says 'Watch out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie!'


Unfortunately that is all too true.

One should be asking 'Why?' But then, that would be the same as the title of this thread!

I repeat, because we make it so. Why we make it so is the better question.
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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Thu 10 Mar 2011, 21:47:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'A') unionized public employee, a teapartier, and a CEO are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table is a plate with a dozen cookies on it.

The CEO reaches across and takes 11 cookies, then looks at the teapartier and says 'Watch out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie!'

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I'm totally posting this on my Facebook.
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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

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Re: Why are Americans so unbothered by their growing inequal

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 15 Jul 2014, 20:36:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '[')The CEO reaches across and takes 11 cookies, then looks at the teapartier and says 'Watch out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie!'


Oh I love that, so much wisdom packed into one sentence.

It's so true.

Of course, it's also true that too many unions aren't a good thing and it can get too far down the other end of the spectrum into inefficient socialism.

What you need is a balance. We need to stop seeing extremes on everything. We'd all do well to admit we need something in the middle -- moderation -- the rich not having it all, most in the middle having it, and working class making enough to have a bit of a life too.

A nice bell curve. That for a good society and nice towns and cities to sit and look at, and be safe to walk around in.

What the rich elite do, is simply manipulate working and middle class into fighting each other. Their tools are: nationalism, misdirected populism, and hating the "other." Anyone BUT that rich CEO / bankster / hedge funder / oligarch at the table, with his 11 cookies.

(and this is why I try to watch myself now, when I feel like jumping the gun on something like this supposed border problem, *I just really want to know the specifics and the numbers and what's really going on*, and of course I want a secure border and I don't like cartels and too much immigration, but neither will I fall for FALSE populism with banksters pulling the strings)
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