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Re: Wholefoods. Major betrayal

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 17 May 2011, 22:27:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Vogelzang', 'M')onsanto has done more to liberate mankind that anyone else, except for Bush and Cheney.

I'll keep that in mind when I check out a library book or make a phone call or my door accidentally gets kicked in because the SWAT got the wrong address or get felt up in the airport.

I feel so liberated.
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Re: Wholefoods. Major betrayal

Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 24 May 2011, 23:22:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('scas', 'I')f all your 'organic' crops die to fungi, salination and drought, will you turn up your nose at GE crops that survive? Climate change will be an exciting time for evolution and mutation in the bacterial and fungal world. New opportunities..

Organic farming is actually quite a bit more resilient to drought than conventional farming, GMOs or not. The key is proper soil management, not using some mutant trademarked cultivar. There's one reason and one reason only that so many resources are being poured into GMOs---corporate profit.

But I know, you don't want to hear anything positive about organics. You think technofixes will solve all our problems, right?


I really hope you're not equating no till farming practices with organic farming.....
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Re: Wholefoods. Major betrayal

Unread postby Loki » Sat 28 May 2011, 15:09:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('scas', 'I')f all your 'organic' crops die to fungi, salination and drought, will you turn up your nose at GE crops that survive? Climate change will be an exciting time for evolution and mutation in the bacterial and fungal world. New opportunities..

Organic farming is actually quite a bit more resilient to drought than conventional farming, GMOs or not. The key is proper soil management, not using some mutant trademarked cultivar. There's one reason and one reason only that so many resources are being poured into GMOs---corporate profit.

But I know, you don't want to hear anything positive about organics. You think technofixes will solve all our problems, right?


I really hope you're not equating no till farming practices with organic farming.....


And how on earth did you read that into my post? I didn't even mention no-till, which is generally heavily reliant on herbicides, i.e., not organic. Some folks are working on developing no-till organic systems, but don't think it's commercially viable yet.
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Re: Wholefoods. Major betrayal

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 29 May 2011, 13:52:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('scas', 'I')f all your 'organic' crops die to fungi, salination and drought, will you turn up your nose at GE crops that survive? Climate change will be an exciting time for evolution and mutation in the bacterial and fungal world. New opportunities..

Organic farming is actually quite a bit more resilient to drought than conventional farming, GMOs or not. The key is proper soil management, not using some mutant trademarked cultivar. There's one reason and one reason only that so many resources are being poured into GMOs---corporate profit.

But I know, you don't want to hear anything positive about organics. You think technofixes will solve all our problems, right?


I really hope you're not equating no till farming practices with organic farming.....


And how on earth did you read that into my post? I didn't even mention no-till, which is generally heavily reliant on herbicides, i.e., not organic. Some folks are working on developing no-till organic systems, but don't think it's commercially viable yet.


Because organic farming tends to fall somewhere between "great marketing" all the way down to "ineffective". The closest thing to commercial viability in organic farming is no till. Which is heavily dependent on chemicals of some type so the organic label surely does not apply.
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Re: Wholefoods. Major betrayal

Unread postby Loki » Sun 29 May 2011, 16:11:45

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Because organic farming tends to fall somewhere between "great marketing" all the way down to "ineffective". The closest thing to commercial viability in organic farming is no till. Which is heavily dependent on chemicals of some type so the organic label surely does not apply.

And you know this from working how many seasons on a commercial organic farm? Have you ever even been on a commercial organic farm? Or any commercial farm for that matter? I ask because what you wrote above is complete and utter bullshit, thoroughly unencumbered by any reference to reality.

I thought you were smarter than that. I stand corrected.
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Re: Wholefoods. Major betrayal

Unread postby mattduke » Sun 29 May 2011, 16:25:06

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Re: Wholefoods. Major betrayal

Unread postby Loki » Wed 01 Jun 2011, 21:45:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')MO CONTAMINATION. In some regions of the country, contamination of organic crops with genetically modified crops has become a problem. In particular,organic corn and soybean loads grown in the Midwest have been rejected by purchasers after the crop was found to be contaminated. "For North Dakota organic growers it's the number one issue," said Brad Brummond, a Walsh County, N.D., extension agent who specializes in organic production. "We've already given up on canola because we can't keep it clean." Brummond recommends that organic growers communicate with their neighbors who are growing transgenic crops to try and get as much distance as possible. He also points out that contamination can result from shared equipment such as elevators and trucks.

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Just one example of the negative effects of GMOs. We've had the same problems here in western Oregon, organic seed growers are desparately trying to keep genetically modified canola and other crops out of the Valley due to contamination issues.

I really don't understand how private property advocates can support GMO crops, seems to be driven by an irrational hatred of organic farmers and other “hippies.” Guess emotion trumps principle.
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Re: Wholefoods. Major betrayal

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Tue 06 Sep 2011, 08:31:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'C')apitalism 101:

Organic consumers and producers in the U.S. are facing betrayal. A self-appointed group of "Organic Elites", including Whole Foods Market, Organic Valley, and Stonyfield Farm, are surrendering to Monsanto.

Top executives from these companies publicly stated several weeks ago that they support the so-called "coexistence" of organics with genetically modified (GM) crops.

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that's not a betrayal.

allowing the Neocons, persons with primary loyalty to Israel, to establish US foreign & domestic policy during the Bush & Obama administrations - THAT'S betrayal.

as is the CIA brags, "we're a hell of a killing machine". that's the way Israel likes it - the CIA is killing Gentiles who have no relationship to 9-11.

THAT'S betrayal.

for more info -

http://IsraelDid9-11.com

actually, the Betrayal exists at PeakOil.com, too, where the Moderator policy is to allow threads about Islamo-fascism, and to delete threads about Judeo-Fascism.

Judeo-Fascism begat Islamo-fascism - Islamo-fascism is merely a bunch of Muslims wanting their homes & countries back.
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Re: Wholefoods. Major betrayal

Unread postby arcenneL » Tue 03 Jan 2012, 03:34:52

Oh my GOD!!
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Re: Wholefoods. Major betrayal

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 03 Jan 2012, 03:46:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'C')apitalism 101:

Organic consumers and producers in the U.S. are facing betrayal. A self-appointed group of "Organic Elites", including Whole Foods Market, Organic Valley, and Stonyfield Farm, are surrendering to Monsanto.

Top executives from these companies publicly stated several weeks ago that they support the so-called "coexistence" of organics with genetically modified (GM) crops.

Mercola


that's not a betrayal.

allowing the Neocons, persons with primary loyalty to Israel, to establish US foreign & domestic policy during the Bush & Obama administrations - THAT'S betrayal.

as is the CIA brags, "we're a hell of a killing machine". that's the way Israel likes it - the CIA is killing Gentiles who have no relationship to 9-11.

THAT'S betrayal.

for more info -

http://IsraelDid9-11.com

actually, the Betrayal exists at PeakOil.com, too, where the Moderator policy is to allow threads about Islamo-fascism, and to delete threads about Judeo-Fascism.

Judeo-Fascism begat Islamo-fascism - Islamo-fascism is merely a bunch of Muslims wanting their homes & countries back.

I don't know about all that but I have noticed that people who wear funny stuff on their heads seem to cause lots of problems in the world, and it doesn't seem to matter if it is a turban or a fez or a yamaka.
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Re: Wholefoods. Major betrayal

Unread postby natirami2010 » Tue 15 May 2012, 14:27:34

I am from Colombia, one of the countries that is considered part of the 3rd world. I don´t want to compare but I think that USA has serious problems with the diet and the eating habit of its population. I can´t believe that natural food without any preservatives or hormones is more expensive and just few rich people can have access to it.

It does not matter if the food is organic or not, what really matters is the eating habit, the huge portion that people eat in one meal and the amount of calories that we consume. I have been here for 3 years now and I never buy organic food, I go to the normal supermarkets and buy the generic brand. I haven't gain weight and I think that eat very healthy.
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Re: Wholefoods. Major betrayal

Unread postby MikeyManu » Wed 30 May 2012, 05:17:02

Very cool stuff! Thanks, kepp going on!
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