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Whats the Friggin Point?

Unread postby stu » Mon 09 May 2005, 15:25:19

(RANT ALERT)

As you all know I'm always scouring the Internet and submitting news stories. Doing this just makes me want to slit my wrists sometines.

Part of me wants to prepare for Peak Oil, but then I realise that Bird Flu might get me so I realise I have to prepare for that as well. Then I realise the economy may collapse soon so I have to prepare for that as well. then I realise I have little time and little money.

WHATS THE FRIGGIN POINT?

I may as well just take my chances.

All the self sufficiency techniques are well and good.

Grow your own food, keep yourself warm, etc etc. Thats not gonna help me when the hungry masses start knocking on my door.

I won't even get to that stage to be honest. If TSHTF by 2010 then I may as well just learn fighting skills and maybe even firearms (Highly unlikely in the UK). I most likely will be the hungry masses.

The saying "only the strong survive" seems to ring true to me. But where does the strength come from?

Is it through learning many skills to keep myself alive?

Is it through joining a bunch of die-hard survivalists?

The obvious answer is no-one can accurately predict what is going to happen. But given all I know it seems that the best course of action is to hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
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Unread postby killJOY » Mon 09 May 2005, 15:30:41

Hi, Stu. I grow potatoes, apples & stuff. I raise bees, make maple syrup. I also play the fiddle for fun. I drive a tiny used car and I stay home as much as I can. I can can and preserve most of my own food.



However, if the post-peak period is as bad as I fear it will be, then I'm f*cked like everyone else.



Just enjoy the ride down. {*wink}
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Mon 09 May 2005, 15:32:04

Panic is a natural response.

Breathe. The sun will rise tomorrow. Enjoy each moment.
This is the struggle of humankind. We must face our own mortality, some day, some way.

Live each day to its fullest, as best you can, prepare and plan, yes, but don't forget to live. Have a beer, talk to friends, or whatever else relaxes you. Find your peace, wherever it comes from.

Just my opinion for what it's worth.
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Unread postby RonMN » Mon 09 May 2005, 15:39:21

You forgot about a yellowstone eruption :lol:
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Unread postby stu » Mon 09 May 2005, 15:43:43

And the East Coast Tsunami

And the Resource wars

And the climate change

and the wacko religious nutjob known as the president
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Unread postby Raxozanne » Mon 09 May 2005, 15:43:45

I am sorry you feel so disheartened Stu.
It's a sad and scary time that we live in.
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You want me to come down to Southampton and cheer you up? :wink:
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Unread postby stu » Mon 09 May 2005, 15:51:17

I used to watch Red Dwarf (Great UK comedy series) and there is one episode where Starbug is about to crash on a planet.

As they are hurtling towards possible death Lister suggests that everyone read something from the in-flight magazine to take their mind off the crisis.(It's actually quite hilarious).

I guess the thing to learn from this is that we all need something to focus on. We need to have that light at the end of the tunnel. Without it we are doomed.

A couple of relevant movie quotes:

Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers.

Child: "My father says that we will not live out the night. He says that it is hopeless"

Aragorn:"There is always hope"

Shawshank Redemption.

Red:"Get busy living or get busy dying".
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Unread postby threadbear » Mon 09 May 2005, 15:53:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'H')i, Stu. I grow potatoes, apples & stuff. I raise bees, make maple syrup. I also play the fiddle for fun. I drive a tiny used car and I stay home as much as I can. I can can and preserve most of my own food.



However, if the post-peak period is as bad as I fear it will be, then I'm f*cked like everyone else.



Just enjoy the ride down. {*wink}


KillJoy- You can can? I guess French burlesque is one way of addressing peak. :razz:
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Unread postby killJOY » Mon 09 May 2005, 16:13:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'K')illJoy- You can can? I guess French burlesque is one way of addressing peak.
Sure, why not....actually, I like clogging better, though. :P
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Unread postby Such » Mon 09 May 2005, 16:13:37

I still can't figure out why we assume the situation will degenerate into roaming gangs of starved people. We all have to eat, it governs our behavior... but when food shortages arrive we are more likely to end up with bread lines.
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Unread postby stu » Mon 09 May 2005, 16:16:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'I') am sorry you feel so disheartened Stu.
It's a sad and scary time that we live in.
:cry:

You want me to come down to Southampton and cheer you up? :wink:


Yep..... provided you bring the following:

A nuclear fallout shelter
A years supply of Rice, water, beer, and anything else that will last.
2 goats, 2 chickens, 2 sheep etc one female, one male of course
A rowing boat to survive the flooding of climate change
Loads of seeds to plant fruit and veg
Tamiflu
Plastic gloves and matching face mask.
Batteries
and whatever else comes to mind.
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Unread postby stu » Mon 09 May 2005, 16:21:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Such', 'I') still can't figure out why we assume the situation will degenerate into roaming gangs of starved people. We all have to eat, it governs our behavior... but when food shortages arrive we are more likely to end up with bread lines.


If the country that supplies us with the food is not at war with us or is not suffering some type of climate change like drought, floods etc.

If society can easily adapt to the situation and change its mindset from a individual capitalist one to a communal one.

If there is enough agriculture in our homeland to support the population.

If the government is going to organise handouts and not leave it to charities like what happened in the USA during the Great Depression.
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Unread postby Permanently_Baffled » Mon 09 May 2005, 16:28:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Such', 'I') still can't figure out why we assume the situation will degenerate into roaming gangs of starved people. We all have to eat, it governs our behavior... but when food shortages arrive we are more likely to end up with bread lines.


If the country that supplies us with the food is not at war with us or is not suffering some type of climate change like drought, floods etc.

If society can easily adapt to the situation and change its mindset from a individual capitalist one to a communal one.

If there is enough agriculture in our homeland to support the population.

If the government is going to organise handouts and not leave it to charities like what happened in the USA during the Great Depression.


I take it that you were not convinced by any of my posts refering to the ability for even the UK to feed itself post peak? :?

Damn :(

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Unread postby RonMN » Mon 09 May 2005, 16:30:22

Hell, The old mountain men did it...and they even had tribes of wild indians trying to scalp them!

Some of us will make it!!! I'm certain of it!

I never heard daniel boon or jerimiah johnson bitchin that it's cold outside!
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Unread postby stu » Mon 09 May 2005, 16:47:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Permanently_Baffled', '
')I take it that you were not convinced by any of my posts refering to the ability for even the UK to feed itself post peak? :?

Damn :(

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No that is possible PB.

I just have a SERIOUS lack of faith in people coming together to solve the problem.

In order for this to happen the government has to inform people of PO so that all the subsequent chaos is avoided and people really know whats going on. But anytime I see stories about energy conservation the excuse seems to be that they are just doing to things to reduce climate change. You can say this about Blair and his policy on nuclear power stations.

Hell!! I was even in Holland last week and my Dutch friend told me a story that she had heard about Japanese businessmen not wearing ties anymore so they could reduce using the air conditioning which would help global warming as well.

In order to get to an orderly society we are going to need an orderly transition. This requires our media and our leaders to show the positive aspects of human nature that are needed to do this.

Truth, Respect, Strong Leadership, Organisation.

Considering that a) the people who run our country are a bunch of media obssessed liars, b)Our media focuses purely on profit, dumbing down, sex and irrevalant celebrities,c) the next generation of our society is mostly people who don't care about the future, drink their asses off, do drugs and don't wanna listen about PO or climate change, then I would have to say that my faith in this monumental societal change that is needed, is severly lacking
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Unread postby Ludi » Mon 09 May 2005, 16:50:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', 'I')n order for this to happen the government has to inform people of PO so that all the subsequent chaos is avoided and people really know whats going on.


Why does the government have to inform people? Why can't people inform people?
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Unread postby Pops » Mon 09 May 2005, 16:52:51

I hear you stu. After 9/11 I decided I was living with my head in the sand; when I pulled it out the S. DID H.T.F.!

But when all you are looking for is thorns; the roses just get in the way. (Copyright, 2005, Pops)

I appreciate all your efforts in posting – I have learned much from your stories – but get your head out of your monitor and do something! (Copyright, some-time-last-year, Pops)

Right now I’m sweaty and covered with dirt from the garden. Hopefully that garden can help me be somewhat more removed from all of your worries (except the fallout part, but I came to terms with that when I was 10).

Obviously fallout, FEMA Relocation Camps, Roving Bands of the Walking Dead and all the rest are simply excuses to sit there (or here) and cavitate.

Cavitation: As an impeller's (in a pump), or propeller's (as in the case of a ship or submarine) blades move through a fluid, low pressure areas are formed as the fluid accelerates around and moves past the blades. The faster the blades move, the lower the pressure around it can become. If this pressure falls far enough, then the fluid will reach its 'vapor pressure'. As it reaches vapor pressure, the fluid, like boiling water, vaporizes and forms small bubbles of gas [1] (http://www.deepangel.com/html/the_science.html).
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The reason I copied that definition is that when cavitation occurs, the propeller is no longer acting against the resistance of the water but the much smaller resistance of the air bubble – IOW; the faster it works the behinder it gets.

Say it with me you Oilers Anon:
"God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change,
courage to change the things we can,
and wisdom to know the difference."
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Unread postby Permanently_Baffled » Mon 09 May 2005, 16:52:59

Stu

I share your frustration with the "idiots" (aka chavs), but are these people you describe really the majority? Or are they just more visible?

Thats a genuine question, not just me being nieve :-D

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Unread postby killJOY » Mon 09 May 2005, 17:03:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ay it with me you Oilers Anon:
"God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change,
courage to change the things we can,
and wisdom to know the difference."
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n AA doctrine, free will is just an illusion of a mysterious disease.


http://www.rational.org/

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