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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby Loki » Fri 11 Mar 2011, 20:30:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'L')ike most things, it's really a matter of specifics. If your Squire is kind and provides room and board for your labor, doesn't work you or your children too hard, and maybe provides a christmas goose then maybe life's not so bad.

It's funny, I think I may be approaching a neo-feudal situation myself. My "squire" (the farm owner I work for, who happens to be English) is a good guy, he isn't a slavemaster and he provides the best wage he can plus a free place to live and all the veggies I can eat.

No Christmas goose, but I do get free chicken eggs, plus a third of a pig at the end of the season :)

Maybe feudalism isn't so bad after all....
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby Loki » Fri 11 Mar 2011, 20:35:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I') wonder what rich people will do if the economy ever goes back to a barter kind of system?


First thing will be to foreclose on your property and seize it since you won't have enough chickens or shiny rocks to pay your mortgage. Then, they will put you to work raising chickens and polishing rocks for them in exchange for the privilege of living on their land.

It's a distinct possibility. I don't think the farmer I work for could survive an economic collapse, he's already barely scraping by and is leveraged up to his eyeballs. I think the rich will buy up properties like this in a heartbeat---I doubt the working conditions will improve if that happens, though dealing with chickens is easy work compared to some of the stuff we have to do. Not sure about polishing rocks.
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 11 Mar 2011, 20:46:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '
')Maybe feudalism isn't so bad after all....



It might not be, for those who are relatively young and fit enough to do physical labor.

The rest of us can probably just go die, like in the good old days. Think the modern landed gentry will provide almshouses for us? I seriously doubt it.
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 12 Mar 2011, 02:50:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', ' ')Oh how I'm looking forward to this poor-folks revolution getting rid of the rich who pay for all the hand-outs. Means they finally have to go back to work.


How quickly one forgets who bailed out Wall Street.



You mean China? What that got to do with US's internal parasites?
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby Fiddlerdave » Sat 12 Mar 2011, 03:31:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'L')ike most things, it's really a matter of specifics. If your Squire is kind and provides room and board for your labor, doesn't work you or your children too hard, and maybe provides a christmas goose then maybe life's not so bad.
It's funny, I think I may be approaching a neo-feudal situation myself. My "squire" (the farm owner I work for, who happens to be English) is a good guy, he isn't a slavemaster and he provides the best wage he can plus a free place to live and all the veggies I can eat.
No Christmas goose, but I do get free chicken eggs, plus a third of a pig at the end of the season :)Maybe feudalism isn't so bad after all....

Just wait on your opinion until he wants the Baron's privilege of the first night with your bride after your wedding! :lol: And keep your fingers crossed he won't emulate Caligula and Graphic text deleted per COC
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 12 Mar 2011, 03:39:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'A')s for farmwork, I work on a farm full-time, though it's a little slow right now thanks to the unrelenting rain, hence my ability to surf the net on a Friday. I work about a thousand times harder than any of the parasites who use their inherited money to make more money in the Wall Street casino. They make millions doing nothing but sitting on their ass, and the fedgov bends over backwards to give them all sorts of tax breaks to encourage their parasitism. I get paid a whopping $9.25/hr to slog through the fields day after day to grow the food that feeds my little corner of the world. The owner of the farm makes even less than I do. So you can take your "doer" vs. "slacker" bulls*** and shove it where the sun don't shine.

you do work, i give you that. Most of the poor don't, regardless if they have a "job" or not. That of course does not mean that parasitism of the rich is any better than one of the poor.
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 12 Mar 2011, 03:47:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '
')if the capitalist class hadn't driven its workers to beggars wages, they wouldn't need such handouts!


Beggars wages? Wages in US are beyond of the wildest dreams of 99.9 % of people who had ever worked for a living. Your problems are with self-entitlement, not the wages.
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby Mesuge » Sat 12 Mar 2011, 05:33:24

Pretorian are you serious? Well, that perhaps used to be the case few decades ago and couple of hundred millions of american less. Also, as mentioned numerous times in other threads what matters is your actual burn rate and quality of life. In both these areas U.S. is trending out of the developed world downwards (gadgets on credit and unbotanium healthcare/social services). Debt slave surrounded by 10mpg SUVs in the driveway of wider psycho suburbia, which even can not afford to call a sick day (or apply for expensive hospital treatment), is certainly not the picture of envy for the 99.9% of the world. :roll:
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 12 Mar 2011, 06:21:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', 'A')h, the socialists. Take it from the doers and give to the slackers.


The 400 richest Americans have more wealth than the lowest 155,000,000. You think that's fantastic, you think those top 400 are the "doers" and deserve everything. Well, I disagree -- I think it's destabilized and wrecked our country and put our national security at risk.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') just read today that 1/2 of the population of my county is on some sort of welfare. AND local farmers need to hire illegal mexicans to get the job done because everybody else is busy collecting the handouts.


Close the borders, enact tariffs, and wages will rise to attract AMERICAN labor. But that's not how you see it, you want Americans to pick your tomatoes for Guatamalan wages.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')h how I'm looking forward to this poor-folks revolution getting rid of the rich who pay for all the hand-outs.


You should look forward to it, since that would mean a return of the nation's wealth to a broad middle class and livable wages for the working class. That makes for a better, more stable society all around.
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby Crazy_Dad » Sat 12 Mar 2011, 07:22:56

I am going to call world wide revolution for 2012/2013.
There is no more rom to move for most people financially and still be able to participate in the current status quo.
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 12 Mar 2011, 10:27:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Crazy_Dad', 'I') am going to call world wide revolution for 2012/2013.



Is that a prediction? Or a call to action?
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 13 Mar 2011, 02:38:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Crazy_Dad', 'I') am going to call world wide revolution for 2012/2013.
Is that a prediction? Or a call to action?

yeah, cause i am takin notes here
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 13 Mar 2011, 02:52:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', 'P')retorian are you serious? Well, that perhaps used to be the case few decades ago and couple of hundred millions of american less. Also, as mentioned numerous times in other threads what matters is your actual burn rate and quality of life. In both these areas U.S. is trending out of the developed world downwards (gadgets on credit and unbotanium healthcare/social services). Debt slave surrounded by 10mpg SUVs in the driveway of wider psycho suburbia, which even can not afford to call a sick day (or apply for expensive hospital treatment), is certainly not the picture of envy for the 99.9% of the world. :roll:


Yes I am serious. Note that I said "people who had ever worked for a living" not the currently living ones. Normal wage throughout the history was a loaf of bread a day or so. Often not a very big one. Often made with barley and god knows what else.
Still, considering that we have well over 1% of all number of people who had ever lived present right now, i might lower that number to 98.5-99 % just to be sure.
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby americandream » Sun 13 Mar 2011, 04:35:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', 'A')h, the socialists. Take it from the doers and give to the slackers.
I just read today that 1/2 of the population of my county is on some sort of welfare. AND local farmers need to hire illegal mexicans to get the job done because everybody else is busy collecting the handouts. Oh how I'm looking forward to this poor-folks revolution getting rid of the rich who pay for all the hand-outs. Means they finally have to go back to work.


One word. Bailout.
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 13 Mar 2011, 06:35:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', 'A')h, the socialists. Take it from the doers and give to the slackers.
I just read today that 1/2 of the population of my county is on some sort of welfare. AND local farmers need to hire illegal mexicans to get the job done because everybody else is busy collecting the handouts. Oh how I'm looking forward to this poor-folks revolution getting rid of the rich who pay for all the hand-outs. Means they finally have to go back to work.


One word. Bailout.


That is socialism in its purest form-- for selected few, of course, but there is no other kind of socialism. Sorry to break your dreams here.
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Sun 13 Mar 2011, 10:08:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'H')ow quickly we forget who fleeced the entire planet and caused the problem in the first place.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'S')urely a force set out to destroy the American people in this manner is an enemy, in this case both "foreign and domestic". Aren't defenders of the Constitution supposed to stand against such enemies? Isn't that part of the oath of office?


Yes, but if the "defenders of the Constitution" are part of that force set out to destroy the American people, they aren't going to do much defending, are they?

You'd think groups like the Constitution Party and the Tea Party would be more upset about the takeover of America by multinational corporations. But they aren't, they actually seem to be defending the multinationals.


very true, there is an active Fifth Column in the United States that is very good at pulling the strings of nearly all elected representatives.

and that Fifth Column is aligned with corporations like Monsanto and has zero allegiance to the working people of America.

but i think a lot of the bread-and-butter Tea Partiers are hip to these observations. guys like Rush Limbaugh, who pretend to speak for the Tea Party, don't.


speaking of the Tea Party, it was not a rebellion against a tax imposed by the English king. it was a rebellion against a tax imposed by the power behind the throne, the English bankers and business interests such as the East India company.

the English King was fat and happy, having sex with the maids and eating pheasant.

the American Revolution is currently taught as a rebellion against the English throne, when in fact it was a rebellion against the power behind the throne.
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 13 Mar 2011, 11:08:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', '
')and that Fifth Column is aligned with corporations like Monsanto and has zero allegiance to the working people of America.


Hmm. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

I'd say the fifth column has love handles and it votes with every swipe of its plastic.
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby Cog » Sun 13 Mar 2011, 18:32:42

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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby americandream » Sun 13 Mar 2011, 18:41:28

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One word. Bailout.
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Re: What class warfare looks like

Unread postby americandream » Sun 13 Mar 2011, 18:44:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'T')hat is socialism in its purest form-- for selected few, of course, but there is no other kind of socialism. Sorry to break your dreams here.

Your caviare imbibing buddies are the recipients of this "socialism" which Comrade Marx would not have approved of. Of course, that other "socialist", Herr uber crook corporate butt boy Hitler would have loved it. :lol:
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