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Re: The Stanley Meyers story and supposed 'water car'

Postby Cashmere » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 18:14:58

You <i><b>think</i></b> it's bogus?

:roll:
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Re: The Stanley Meyers story and supposed 'water car'

Postby TreeFarmer » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 20:01:32

We need a filter so that you can't post until you've been a member for at least 2 weeks.

I guess its part of the human condition to desire something for nothing.

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Re: The Stanley Meyers story and supposed 'water car'

Postby 129shot » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 20:34:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreeFarmer', 'W')e need a filter so that you can't post until you've been a member for at least 2 weeks.

I guess its part of the human condition to desire something for nothing.

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I've been on this forum longer than you, my friend

128shot should ring some bells people. My account, however, refused to work.

so i ended up with this :-/
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Re: The Stanley Meyers story and supposed 'water car'

Postby 129shot » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 20:34:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'Y')ou <i><b>think</i></b> it's bogus?

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yes. I do think it is. IE, I believe it is.


Not the 'I think" as in you can perhaps persuade me otherwise.
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Re: The Stanley Meyers story and supposed 'water car'

Postby MonteQuest » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 20:44:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('129shot', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'Y')ou <i><b>think</i></b> it's bogus?

:roll:



yes. I do think it is. IE, I believe it is.


Not the 'I think" as in you can perhaps persuade me otherwise.


If you read up on thermodynamics, you will know it is bogus.

No such thing as a free lunch. You can' t get something for nothing.

1st Law . Conservation of energy law.

The car may well run on hydrogen, but it took more energy to create the hydrogen than you got from it to run the engine.
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Re: The Stanley Meyers story and supposed 'water car'

Postby mos6507 » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 23:15:36

It probably had a lot of batteries inside so it was pretty much just an electric vehicle with an internal combustion engine burning hydrogen instead of an electric motor.
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Re: The Stanley Meyers story and supposed 'water car'

Postby Electric_Economy_2025 » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 01:38:59

Japanese Company claims to have a car that runs on water
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Re: The Stanley Meyers story and supposed 'water car'

Postby mos6507 » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 03:41:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Electric_Economy_2025', '[')url=http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=8304856&ch=4226714&src=news]Japanese Company claims to have a car that runs on water[/url]



I know we've come to expect a lot of technology from Japan, but obviously they are not immune from scams.

What is this "energy generator" powered by? It's a Gwiz. It's a battery electric vehicle. The water is probably just a prop.
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Re: The Stanley Meyers story and supposed 'water car'

Postby ohanian » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 09:08:26

That's nothing!
I got a car that run on snake oil.
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Another Car runs on water hoax

Postby halcyon » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 10:22:03

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrxfMz2eDME
http://in.reuters.com/article/lifestyle ... 6720080613

Where do these come from? And now on Reuters (via Nikkei). Good grief...
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Re: Another Car runs on water hoax

Postby Vegas » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 11:19:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ost big automakers, meanwhile, are working on fuel-cell cars that run on hydrogen and emit -- not consume -- water.


Big dummies! Well heck, If the one car emits water, and the other one consumes it, you could just hook them up and drive forever.
Might look a little kinky...
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Re: Another Car runs on water hoax

Postby cipi604 » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 11:25:35

I heard the big news yesterday from a friend, it was on TV. I found the website of this thing... in japanese.
http://www.genepax.co.jp/
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Re: Another Car runs on water hoax

Postby joelcolorado » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 12:01:19

Read the story. If the Japs do it, then its possible. They will take over the US automakers with this one.
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Re: Another Car runs on water hoax

Postby mos6507 » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 14:33:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joelcolorado', 'R')ead the story. If the Japs do it, then its possible. They will take over the US automakers with this one.


WTF? Use your brain, man. They said a "generator" cracks the water into hydrogen. What energy source runs the generator? The car itself is a GWiz. It's a battery electric vehicle with a water "prop" in it. I.e. a scam.
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Re: Another Car runs on water hoax

Postby kublikhan » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 19:05:06

There are other ways to strip hydrogen from water besides electrolysis. I'm betting the chemical reaction they are referring to is consuming some other material, like aluminum, or something else that must be replaced frequently. It takes a great deal of energy to make aluminum. It is not perpetual motion. But I am not sure it will be cost effective either. There's just not enough information to properly evaluate this.
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Re: Another Car runs on water hoax

Postby MD » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 19:53:30

Find me another product that comes squirting out of the ground at 1000 psi or better, that also is amazingly dense with btus, and I'll get excited. Until then; it's just another way to move energy around(with losses at every exchange, of course)
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Re: The Stanley Meyers story and supposed 'water car'

Postby burtonridr » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 20:33:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')t probably had a lot of batteries inside so it was pretty much just an electric vehicle with an internal combustion engine burning hydrogen instead of an electric motor.


+1

Its really not a bad thing. Oil is not free energy, I doubt we will ever have free energy or a net energy producer....

I do believe a water/electric car could be a viable solution to power people through a transitional period.

During post PO you could just take a battery off your home solar system, add some distilled water and you can drive to buy food, supplies or whatever.

You just have to be very careful about what catalyst you use in the solution, the wrong catalyst and you will rust out an unmodified engine very quickly.

I'm actually in the process of converting my car to run on 50% gasoline, 50% water/electricity.

Eventually I hope to run it entirely on water/electricity. However, I will have a gas tank to use for cleansing the engine each time I get to my destination. The best way I can think of to prevent rust (without ceramic coating and stainless steel parts) is to switch from water/electricity to %100 gasoline power and let the engine run for about 60 seconds, then kill the engine.

The reason for the gasoline cleansing is to purge all the water from the cyclinder, exhuast, etc. as well as purge the hydrogen lines of all hydrogen gas. Not only that but gasoline has detergents to help the metal parts resist corrosion.

For those of you that think it is a scam, I got news for you, it works.... Electrolysis is nothing new.

Electrolysis is a reactor process that splits the H2O molecule into (2)Hydrogen molecules and (1)Oxygen.

Its very simple process, but can very extremely dangerous if you dont take proper safety precautions. Both Hydrogen(think Hindenburg) and Oxygen are explosive gases.

If you dont want to spend money on a kit or plans maybe I will post a few helpful links on monday. I have to get off in a few minuts and I dont remember exactly where everything is....
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Re: The Stanley Meyers story and supposed 'water car'

Postby burtonridr » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 20:36:08

But the stanley myers thing was bogus...

I think he failed to mention that you need to charge the battery, the alternator CANNOT keep the battery charged while running on hydrogen alone.

Electrolysis and running a car on water/electricity is real though.
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Re: Another Car runs on water hoax

Postby abelardlindsay » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 21:11:01

If you don't believe in free energy suppression this thing absolutely is impossible. The inventors should be thrown in prison for even making such claims and you can stop reading now.

However, if you choose to believe otherwise:

I don't know anybody important, I just click around, watch youtube and read conspiracy websites. You can basically get the gist of everything I know by watching the Project Camelot Benjamin Fulford videos on youtube. It's 3 hours long so I'm not going to attempt to regurgitate it here.

Anyway the short of the news is that there has been a global agreement to suppress free energy, and now, for various reasons, the Asians are in the process of breaking from the agreement.

Isn't it curious that one of Japan's leading nuclear physicists recently gave a cold fusion demo? There should be more big announcements out of China in the near future in coordination with the Olympics.
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Re: Another Car runs on water hoax

Postby Armageddon » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 22:05:11

If the generator charges the battey, why can't it crack the hydrogen also ?
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