[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')How about just moving, and leaving the kind of squalor behind where honest God fearing folk can't even keep their catalytic converters safe?

[vtsnowedin]

Back in the day Democrat mayor came to this conclusion. It was right then and the only answer now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKll7Kf1Dh4

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')The widespread acquisition of guns leads me to believe that an increasing percentage of the population doubts governments ability to fulfill its main purpose, make them safe. This is not a failure of the people but of the government, it is a vote of “no confidence.”

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')I am optimistic that the population will, along with arming themselves in self-defense, will at the next opportunity vote out these fools that have brought this plague upon us.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')How about just moving, and leaving the kind of squalor behind where honest God fearing folk can't even keep their catalytic converters safe?

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o you have a personal objection to folks having hobbies?

[Newfie]

Dolly wrote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')
Do you gun owners ever have any sort of ceremony where you publicly state that you clearly understand the consequences of shooting people and will do all you can to avoid it?

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o you have a personal objection to folks having hobbies?

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')How about just moving, and leaving the kind of squalor behind where honest God fearing folk can't even keep their catalytic converters safe?

[Newfie]

Here is another “degrowth” concept that may explain a lot if todays situation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink

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')
Many [female rats] were unable to carry pregnancy to full term or to survive delivery of their litters if they did. An even greater number, after successfully giving birth, fell short in their maternal functions. Among the males the behavior disturbances ranged from sexual deviation to cannibalism and from frenetic overactivity to a pathological withdrawal from which individuals would emerge to eat, drink and move about only when other members of the community were asleep. The social organization of the animals showed equal disruption. ...

The common source of these disturbances became most dramatically apparent in the populations of our first series of three experiments, in which we observed the development of what we called a behavioral sink. The animals would crowd together in greatest number in one of the four interconnecting pens in which the colony was maintained. As many as 60 of the 80 rats in each experimental population would assemble in one pen during periods of feeding. Individual rats would rarely eat except in the company of other rats. As a result extreme population densities developed in the pen adopted for eating, leaving the others with sparse populations.

... In the experiments in which the behavioral sink developed, infant mortality ran as high as 96 percent among the most disoriented groups in the population.[5]

[vtsnowedin]

On the Hobby issue.
I don't think of my guns as a hobby. I do not collect them with the aim of having a better collection then some one else not do I try to to make money reselling collectable guns I have purchased. Granted there are many people that do actively pursue gun collecting in that way but most of them seldom fire any of their collectables at anything as that reduces their collectable value.
I do on the other hand consider hand loading ammunition as a hobby. It has enough skill and care required to keep it interesting and I have spent perhaps thousands of hours trying to find the perfect bullet-powder-primer, combination for many of my several rifles that will deliver that mythical one hole group.
My guns have more then one use. Hunting of course but dispatching pest animals around the house often gets more rounds fired in a year. (A skunk that wants to come in through the cat door needs to go). And then there is target practice to keep the skill level acceptable and last but not least is, home, family ,and catalytic converter defense which as of yet I have never had to fire a round. And yes try to steal something from my dooryard and rules be dammed you will lay their bleeding out.
If everyone had that policy and the will and means to back it up home robberies would become a very rare thing.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', ' ')Lethal force outside the home only allowed to stop grave physical harm of yourself or others, and trailers ain't people.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')And yes try to steal something from my dooryard and rules be dammed you will lay their bleeding out.
If everyone had that policy and the will and means to back it up home robberies would become a very rare thing.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')And yes try to steal something from my dooryard and rules be dammed you will lay their bleeding out.
If everyone had that policy and the will and means to back it up home robberies would become a very rare thing.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f everyone had that policy and the will and means to back it up home robberies would become a very rare thing.

[Newfie]

I don’t have the link handy but it quoted some stats about how burglars operate in the UK vs US. In the UK they spend little time observing a property and frequently enter with folks home. Jn the US they spend far more time observing the property and are roughly 1/3rd as likely to enter with residents home.

This article also noted, as have others, that when someone successfully intervenes in a home invasion it is very seldom picked up by regional, let alone national, news sources. This gives the impression it is far more rare than it really is.

OK, found the article.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... 46851.html

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')Home robberies are prima facia evidence that perforating a perpetrator is allowed in my state. It is doing the same to someone stealing something out in your yard that is frowned upon, legally speaking. Locally anyway.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f everyone had that policy and the will and means to back it up home robberies would become a very rare thing.

[Pops]

I don't have a problem with guns. I own guns. I don't have any problem with hunters, plinkers, collectors. I don't have a problem with permitted concealed carry.

I have a problem with performance artists, vigilantes, irresponsible immature posers who put the public at risk with zero benefit.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the July 2016 mass shooting of five police officers in Dallas, the work of police officers was made more difficult as they struggled to distinguish between people legally carrying guns openly and the gunman who opened fire. Afterwards, both the police chief and the mayor said law enforcement couldn’t tell “good guys with guns” from “bad guys with guns” because it is perfectly legal to walk around in public with an exposed handgun or rifle in Texas.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') don't have a problem with guns. I own guns. I don't have any problem with hunters, plinkers, collectors. I don't have a problem with permitted concealed carry.

I have a problem with performance artists, vigilantes, irresponsible immature posers who put the public at risk with zero benefit.