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216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby shakespear1 » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 05:19:21

Technology drives the US economy and it appears that only about 28 % understand anything related to science.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'This level of science illiteracy may explain why over 40 percent of Americans do not believe in evolution and about 20 percent, when asked if the earth orbits the sun or vice versa, say it’s the sun that does the orbiting--placing these people in the same camp as the Inquisition that punished Galileo almost 400 years ago. It also explains the extraordinary disconnect between scientists and much of the public over issues the scientists think were settled long ago--never mind newer discoveries and research on topics such as the use of chimeras to study cancer, or pills that may extend life span by 30 or 40 percent.')

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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby gg3 » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 06:16:52

Someone's numbers are off.

If USA population is about 300 million, then 40% of that is 120 million. If 216 million is 40% of total, then total is 540 million. And this fails to take into account the number of Americans who are children of an age that should not be expected to have much of an understanding of science (as a methodology), for example up to about age 10 or 11.

As for those who believe the sun orbits the earth, I'm willing to believe that most of them did not understand the question or were deliberately trying to screw around with the poll.

However the depressing fact remains that many, perhaps a sizeable plurality, are not only scientifically illiterate but are pridefully ignorant or just plain wrong and seeking to impose their prideful ignorance or wrong ideas on others via the power of state or society.

If this had been the case back when the USSR launched Sputnik, we would all be singing the Internationale by now.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby halcyon » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 09:39:52

Read the article next time.

Scientific literacy at 28% of US population. 72% out of 300 is 216 mil.

When I look at what people eat, how they drive, how they consume & vote, I think the evidence is overwhelming that the statistics are correct :)
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby bshirt » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 09:41:06

Not to mention Darwin's evolution theory is just that, a theory.

For these pollsters to claim ignorance of the population for not 100% buying mankind evolved from apes is total bullshit.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 09:56:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', 'N')ot to mention Darwin's evolution theory is just that, a theory.

For these pollsters to claim ignorance of the population for not 100% buying mankind evolved from apes is total bullshit.

Within next decade or two you are likely to see this Darwinian theory working well in practice...
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 10:01:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', '
')As for those who believe the sun orbits the earth, I'm willing to believe that most of them did not understand the question or were deliberately trying to screw around with the poll.

Interesting as it might be, but Sun and Earth are actually rotating around common "mass centre" of the set up, means they are orbiting each other.
Naturally, mentioned "mass centre" is very close to Sun...
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby Heineken » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 10:17:00

Americans are illiterate not just scientifically but in the true, formal sense of that term. Many read and write at only a grade-school level. Yesterday on the NBC nightly news it was announced that the US graduation rate for high school students has dropped to 17th in the world, one notch above Mexico's. And high school education in the US is for the most part abysmal. In fact, we are graduating from high school herds of people who can't spell "abysmal" or define it; who've never even heard of the word.

Third World, not here we come, but here we are.

We're tops in weaponry and mayhem-making, though. How wonderful. What a marvelous expression of priorities.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby bshirt » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 10:26:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'A')mericans are illiterate not just scientifically but in the true, formal sense of that term. Many read and write at only a grade-school level. Yesterday on the NBC nightly news it was announced that the US graduation rate for high school students has dropped to 17th in the world, one notch above Mexico's. And high school education in the US is for the most part abysmal. In fact, we are graduating from high school herds of people who can't spell "abysmal" or define it; who've never even heard of the word.

Third World, not here we come, but here we are.

We're tops in weaponry and mayhem-making, though. How wonderful. What a marvelous expression of priorities.


If you're not impressed enough with what you just posted, consider how well USA kids do in international testing (typically something like 217th out of 223).

No wonder fabulous institutions like public schools, for decades now, demand and get more money every single year!
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby Heineken » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 10:30:21

The US is in rapid, terminal decline, and all things show it.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby Heineken » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 10:34:11

BTW, some (including, I think, the brilliant Noam Chomsky) have argued persuasively that the US overlords WANT an ignorant population, and that our "education" system is designed to produce exactly that.

Ignorant people are a lot easier to push around.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby bshirt » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 10:43:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'B')TW, some (including, I think, the brilliant Noam Chomsky) have argued persuasively that the US overlords WANT an ignorant population, and that our "education" system is designed to produce exactly that.

Ignorant people are a lot easier to push around.


Well, if true, they've succeeded wildly. :-(
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby jeezlouise » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 10:46:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', 'N')ot to mention Darwin's evolution theory is just that, a theory.


Right, just like gravity. But I choose to believe that a big invisible space-man with a grey beard is holding me fast to the earth with his pinky finger.

FOR THE LAST TIME: Homo Sapiens did not evolve from apes. As it concerns us, the theory says that humans and other primates have a common ancestor way back before recorded history. Their paths diverged from there.

Next I suppose it's going to be: "Global warming is a myth because it was cold outside today."
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby Bas » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 10:48:21

28% isn't bad. What is bad is that (religious) politicians are trying to put political spin on things like evolution; brainwashing the other 72%. And 72% being the majority in a democracy it's all of a sudden not so surprising anymore that someone like W holds the White House.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby TorrKing » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 11:04:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jeezlouise', '
')FOR THE LAST TIME: Homo Sapiens did not evolve from apes. As it concerns us, the theory says that humans and other primates have a common ancestor way back before recorded history. Their paths diverged from there.


You are right, but that ancestor could probably be classified as an ape, couldn't it?
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby killJOY » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 11:19:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshit', 'N')ot to mention Darwin's evolution theory is just that, a theory.


Hilarious! You don't even know what a theory is!
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby bshirt » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 11:19:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jeezlouise', 'R')ight, just like gravity. But I choose to believe that a big invisible space-man with a grey beard is holding me fast to the earth with his pinky finger.

Whatever you say, genius. However, Darwin himself stated: "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]FOR THE LAST TIME: Homo Sapiens did not evolve from apes. As it concerns us, the theory says that humans and other primates have a common ancestor way back before recorded history. Their paths diverged from there.

FOR THE LAST TIME link

Darwin's model of evolution, known as "the survival of the fittest", is widely accepted by most of the contemporary scientific community, as well as the general public, as a "fact of life" as there is little doubt this process does play a significant part in changing the characteristics within the pre-existing gene pool of a species. (a process known as micro-evolution within species) On the face of it, Darwin's theory is so elegantly simple and in accordance with so many of the day-to-day observations of modern genetics that it does indeed appear to be self evident.

However, close examination of a whole raft of scientific data reveals the absence of virtually any empirical scientific evidence in support of the theory, either regarding the alleged spontaneous generation of life in first place, let alone the evolution of life forms from one species into another. If anything, the fossil evidence to date indicates the spontaneous appearance, without the existence of any earlier related life forms, of a vast number of life forms around 600 million years ago known as the 'Cambrian explosion', followed by very long periods (tens of millions of years) of minor changes occurring within species (a process known as Stasis) and the absence of any examples of possible evolutionary links between species prior to, during, or after this period.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ext I suppose it's going to be: "Global warming is a myth because it was cold outside today."

lol! Yes, your wisdom is without bounds, my good compadre'.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby killJOY » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 11:23:34

hey bshit, did you notice the word
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]"SEEMS"

in the Darwin quote? Quit acting like you know Darwin, you buffoon.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby killJOY » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 11:24:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')the survival of the fittest"

Once again, you perfectly dense ignoramus, that is not Darwin's quote. IT'S HERBERT SPENCER.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby jeezlouise » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 11:27:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Torjus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jeezlouise', '
')FOR THE LAST TIME: Homo Sapiens did not evolve from apes. As it concerns us, the theory says that humans and other primates have a common ancestor way back before recorded history. Their paths diverged from there.


You are right, but that ancestor could probably be classified as an ape, couldn't it?


Yes, in that hominids are commonly called "the great apes". That's why it makes no sense, because evolution isn't linear. It's like saying that bluejays didn't evolve from birds.

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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby bshirt » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 11:31:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')the survival of the fittest"


Once again, you perfectly dense ignoramus,

that is not Darwin's quote.

IT'S HERBERT SPENCER.


My post states "known as the survival of the fittest". I never said Darwin quoted that.

Now run along.....
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