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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby julianj » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 19:31:47

As an arts graduate, late at night, I post my answers below. (wince) Somebody mark me.
1. What's bigger - Red Blood Cell or a Protein?
Protein
2. Does it take more force, less force, or equal force to overcome the friction of an object at rest compared to that same object in motion?
More force for object at rest
3. What are the four bases of DNA?
CG-something-T
4. In light years, about how far away is the nearest star, other than the sun, to Earth?
About 4
5. What is the acceleration due to Earth's gravity at sea level on Earth?
9.8ms squared
6. How many times greater in magnitude is a 7.0 earthquake relative to a 6.0 earthquake, on the Richter scale?
Ten times
7. What is the most abundant element in the atmosphere?
Nitrogen
8. Bats have wings and birds have wings. This is an example of - resplendent evolution, congruous evolution, convergent evolution, or functionally equivalent evolution?
convergent evolution
9. How did Avogadro arrive at his number?
Not a clue – bought it on the lottery :)
10. A benzene ring has how many hydrogens attached?
6
11. When you see a skater spinning on ice with her hands out, she spins at speed X. If she tucks her hands in, she spins more quickly than X. If she puts her hands back out, her speed returns to X. This is an example of conservation of angular __.
momentum
12. PV=nR__ Fill in the blank.
Pass!
13. What's bigger, an Antibody or a T-Cell?
Antibody
14. About how many genes are coded in the human genome? 2,500, 25,000, 250,000, or 2.5 million?
250 thousand
15. If you put two 12-volt car batteries in parallel, then the total voltage will be ____ volts.
No idea
16. Organic chemistry is the branch of chemistry that is involved chiefly with the study of molecules incorporating the element ____.
carbon
17. "Simple Carbohydrates" refer to what most people know as _________.
sugars
18. The boiling point of water on the Celsius scale is _______.
100
19. The age of the planet is estimated to be, by some sources, about 400 million years, 4 billion years, 40 billion years, 400 billion years, or 4 trillion years.
4 billion
20. Which one of the following was a member of homo sapiens - java man, neanderthal, cro-magnon, Lucy, homo erectus.
Cro magnon
21. The dinosaurs died out about how long ago? 600,000 years, 6 million years, 60 million years, 600 million years, 6 billion years.
60 million

Score -
1. 0-5 correct - you are not only scientifically illiterate, you are also generally ignorant. The world around you is very confusing. You believe in ghosts, astrology, and goblins in the woods.
2. 5-10 correct - you are scientificall illiterate. You likely majored in one of the virtually useless fields of endeavor offered at Institutions of Extended Childhood, or Colleges, across this great land - psychology, sociology, journalism, political science, womens/blacks/whites/men studies, and so on. You have a slim grasp of the world around you, and many things make no sense to you. You believe in ghosts and astrology, but you are pretty sure there are no goblins in the woods.
3. 11-15 correct - decent, but don't be too proud. You are a member of a vast culture of dumbasses. Being the least ignorant dumbass doesn't make you a genius, just like standing next to a 400 pound slob doesn't make you thin.
You understand the world around you at a basic level. Unfortunately, you are "just educated enough to be dangerous." You fancy yourself scientifically knowledgable, but you really are just taking advantage of groups 1 and 2, above, who are easily impressed with your use of big words, like deoxyribonucleic acid. Got A's in school because it's easy to get A's in a public school system filled with dumbasses. You don't believe in goblins or astrology, but you believe that ghosts exist, and you have personally experienced a ghost.
4. 16-18 correct - you are scientifically literate. Congratulations. You probably came from a stable home with 2 no-excuse parents who took personal responsibilty for raising you. You probably majored in college in a useful field, and/or you are naturally curious and intellectual about the world around you. You are competent to find and analyze information about the world around you. The fact is, you should be part of a ruling class who takes care of groups 1 and 2 above and keeps 3 in check when they try to claim that GMOs cause mutations. You don't believe in goblins or astrology, but you believe that ghosts might exist even though you have never seen one yourself.
5. 19 - 21. You are scientifically well read. Congratulations on throwing off the shackles of ignorance with which we are born. Well done. You have muddled through years of doing inane, useless things in school and have actually become intimately familiar with the world around you. You know the context and you know your place in the context. You don't believe in the paranormal at all, including ghosts. You are an empiricist - a true scientist, whether you have a either PhD or a white lab coat.

Final appreciation of science is the understanding that evolution and God are not mutually exclusive.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'y')ou are scientificall illiterate

Whereas you are simply illiterate. :P (not fair, I know, couldn't resist the jibe, as I should remind the poster that it wasn't arts and humanities bods that invented napalm, sarin, or telephone helplines that play tinny Vivaldi at you till you go mad)
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby killJOY » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 19:50:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')inal appreciation of science is the understanding that evolution and God are not mutually exclusive.


Depends upon one's definition of "god," doesn't it?

In which case the idea is useless as tits on a bull.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby green_achers » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 20:12:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he very fact the US still uses an outdated imperial measurement system dating back hundreds of years and not logical by any measures (5 inches 7/16th... WTF????!!!!) is the only proof we need of how uneducated the locals are.

Well, Newton and Darwin managed to make it work. Thinking a system of units is a metric of scientific understanding is, if anything, worse than thinking it has something to do with remembering a few first-semester formulas.

OK, if y'all are talking about scientific literacy, I would say that's different than scientific understanding. Sure, it's desirable for the general population to have an elementary grounding in science, and that might be what the OP had in mind. But understanding controversial topics such as evolution (not to mention resource depletion or climate change) enough to have an informed opinion is a bit deeper than basic literacy, I think. And I sure don't feel very good about Gideon's elitist pontifications about who should and should not "be part of a ruling class." I had too many engineering classes in my undergrad and would not trust most of those geeks to rule a sandbox, though I'm sure their ability to regurgitate formulae far exceeded mine.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby bshirt » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 20:50:30

wow...superb post, Gideon!

I totally agree that public schools are nothing but a massive black hole for money (with annual disastrous achievement results to boot).

The main problem is that everyone's sistor/aunt/mother/girlfriend/etc is a public school teacher with incredible benefits (summer's off, tenure, can't be bought out, can't be fired, can't go out of business, retirement guaranteed by the federal govn, etc) and excellent pay. So, the option of voting public schools out of business is simply not going to happen. There's a very good reason it is "the" number one sacred cow.

However, PO or several other doomer scenarios could take it out presto.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 22:40:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', ' ') 1.The breaking point for me was living in one of the richest suburbs in America. My HS daughter comes home and tells me that they watched "Shakespeare in Love" in Honors English.
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2.I'm not sure I ever got the antagonism toward standardized tests. I think it's the product of the Ellsworth Tooeys of the world.


1. Hahahaha. I think I remember watching that movie in English last year. But I think the movie isn't as bad as you make it out to be. We only watched the last scene where they act out the final scenes of Romeo and Juliet but still, we probably shouldn't have wasted property tax revenue on "Shakespeare in Love".

2. I'm glad other people have read The Fountainhead. I've always loved that book but I never get the chance to talk about it with anyone because the United States also suffers from plain old English illiteracy.

If I may quickly touch upon your first sentence:
"For any comments on the quiz, all I'll say is that I bet it is well correlated with scientific ability as measured by any reasonable measure. "

You are absolutely right.

The more random science terms someone understands, the more that person will understand about science in general.

My only contention is that some people are better at understanding concepts than individual terms. I'm not willing to count out the people who miss a few details as "scientifically illiterate" yet.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby Heineken » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 00:05:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '
') So I don't buy for a second that there is something inherently wrong with multiple choice testing or true and false or fill in the blank. They all are means to an end.


One of the reasons the public schools are such a failure is that they rely so heavily on these sorts of tests. After all, they're quick 'n' easy to administer and grade.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 00:31:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'W')hen I see Dreamtwister's post, I want to, coincidentally, regurgitate because it makes me think of all the public education garbage that I've dealt with in my life.
Without going through the entire post, I'll just say that people who "have a problem" with multiple choice and fill in the blank tests, are, in my opinion, very frequently people who can't get things done in life. They are the ineffective people of the world clogging up the water cooler and the copying room.

Woah! Back up a second there and answer these questions:
1) Dreamtwister dislikes fill-in-the-blanks questions because it is easy to _____ the answers.
2) Dreamtwister dislikes multiple choice questions because they
a) must contain the correct answer, or an option to indicate the absence of the correct answer
b) are easy to guess the correct answer
c) fail to demonstrate comprehension of the subject matter
d) all of the above
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'T')he "let them express themselves" thing is just more crap to cover the fact that the kid is such a bad student that he can't commit to learing what needs to be learned.

It has nothing to do with self expression. It has everything to do with demonstrating a comprehension of the subject matter. That is something that shading in an oval can never convey.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'I') just crank out really high achieving home schooled kids. The public schools, on the other hand, pump out idiots by the bus load full. And the main reason? Because in the public schools we do everything but teach basic skills. There is so much emphasis on psychobabble garbage that the kids simply don't learn the basics.

On that, we completely agree. Homeschooling FTW. But ask yourself - When the public schools evaluate those students, do they tend toward actual evaluation where a teacher compares what the student has written to what they know about the student, or did they just feed a punch card into a machine?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'S')imilarly, if you give a kid 100 multiple choice questions on a subject, you are going to get a good idea of what that kid knows.

No, if you give a kid 100 multiple choice questions, you are going to get a good idea about how well they can either memorize, guess or reason through elimination. None of those equate to comprehension.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'M')ultiple choice tests work extremely well for their purpose.
If their purpose is to measure someone's ability to memorize formulae and dates, then yes, they work reasonably well. If their goal is to measure understanding, then they fail miserably.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'L')ook at the LSATs. You think it's a coincidence that Harvard and Yale law take kids with the highest scores, with almost no exceptions?
Having never taken an LSAT, I can't comment with any authority. But from what I understand, each multiple choice section is accompanied by a paragraph, and the questions are intended to measure the students' comprehension of said paragraph. Is that correct?
Well, they are better than a similar test without the paragraph, but they are still vulnerable to logical reasoning by elimination, or even guessing. Even if the student just shades in "C" all the way down the paper, they still stand a pretty good chance of pulling off a 25%. That's not understanding, that's brute forcing the optical reader.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'B')ut the "gray is better, we hate any tests that use objective scoring" crowd can't stand the real world result.
For (I hope) the last time, it's not about objective scoring or any of the other issues you mentioned. It's about measuring comprehension. Any idiot can (and often does) slide by with simply circling "0°C", "9.8m/s^2", "3.1415926"...ad infinitum, but it doesn't actually measure anything beyond a person's memorization skills. THAT is the flaw in the education system. Well, one of them, anyway.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'P')eople who "don't like" multiple choice tests are almost always:
1. Crappy standardized test takers,
2. Ultraliberal educator types who don't feel that they've f___ up the system enough yet, or
3. All of the above.
Boy oh boy, it's a good thing you aren't generalizing here at all. :roll:
Personally, I always tested well, and I think I hate the public education system at least as much as you do. So I would kindly appreciate it if you didn't attempt to paint me with the same brush you apply to the useless eaters.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'A')nd I wrote the damn thing in 10 minutes on the fly, so cut me some slack.
I thought I was cutting you some slack. Most of those questions were really good, it was the way in which they were asked that needed revision.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 00:45:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'I') mean, it'd be like showing "Casino" in economics


Actually, that might not be such a bad idea. By all accounts, that movie was a "reasonably factual" portrayal of Lefty Rosenthal's life, and some of the wealthiest people in the world are mobsters (legitimate and illegitimate).

It could even be argued that the "war on terror" is nothing more than a protection racket on a macro scale. Look what happened to Lybia. They came up with "reparations" and agree to some "inspections", and suddenly they are off the "axis of evil" list.

That sounds an aweful lot like "Give us the money in the register and we won't burn down your store" to me.

Forget showing it in economics, they should be showing it in poli-sci!
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby Tinman » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 00:53:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('neocone', 'T')he very fact the US still uses an outdated imperial measurement system dating back hundreds of years and not logical by any measures (5 inches 7/16th... WTF????!!!!) is the only proof we need of how uneducated the locals are.


On this point, there are other factors to consider. Have you ever actually sat down and calculated how much it would cost to go out and replace every road sign in the US with a metric one? Every car dashboard, every textbook, every gas station sign, every tool, every nut and bolt... Then you would have to reeducate 300 million people in it's use. 300 million people who, by your own admission, might be too stupid to figure it out. We are talking about billions of dollars and decades of infrastructure and education changes.

Yes, they should have been using the metric system right from the start, but that ship has sailed. Now they are stuck with this behemoth infrastructure that gets bigger and more difficult to replace every day.

At this point, I don't think I would want to make the change either.




If one knows how to count to ten the one has a basic understanding how to use the metric system. It would not take decades. Most of the infrastucture is already in place. I could goto any hardware store and get both metric and english tools and parts right now. How do you think people work on their Toyotas or VWs? And on any dash both Mph and Kmph are marked.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 03:22:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'O')K, then we agree on more than I thought DT, but we definitely disagree that Multi Choice can/can't test for comprehension.

If the extent of our disagreement is the appropriate weighting of multiple choice questions, I think I can live with that.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'E')xample - when I took O-chem I was the best student in the class, hands down. Somewhat because the other kids were just not into the class, and somewhat because I studied a lot. The final was a 120 question multiple choice exam. A question would be like . . .
Start with compound A, do this to it, do that to it - what do you get:
A) Bromobenzene
B) 3,4 dimethyl pentane
and so on. How on earth can you argue that that test does not test comprehension of O-Chem? Of course it does!! And the proof was in the pudding - I got the highest score, which fit perfectly with what everyone agreed on - I had the greatest deal of understanding in the class - at least for O Chem.

Well, they will certainly weed out the people who slept through the class. I won't deny that. But here's the heart of the matter:
Your superior understanding of organic chemistry allowed you to score the highest, but your score alone is not necessarily proof of your understanding. As I already mentioned, simply filling in all of the "C" boxes would yield a score of around 25% (assuming only choices A-D of course). That's a fairly large margin for error.

In addition to that, look at the example you cited. I'm not even going to pretend to have a degree in organic chemistry, but even I know that penta means 5, bromine is an element (a halogen I think), and both compounds you named contain carbon (Duh, they're organic! :P) I bet I could have answered that question correctly as well - not because I understand OC, but because there are only "X" number of possible answers presented. Would I have gotten the highest score in the class? Most likely not. But I bet I could have achieved a passing grade.

A simple combination of brute force and well-reasoned guesses can yield some fairly high scores. Add in even a rudimentary understanding of the subject matter, and you are looking at a thorasic surgeon. Or architect. Or the ever-popular nuclear safety inspector.

Have you ever met someone on the job and thought to yourself "How the hell did this yahoo ever get a degree?" Well, this is how. Then again, maybe my powers of deductive reasoning are just so highly developed that normal testing procedures are incapable of evaluating me, and my estimation of their worth is skewed by my experience. Anything's possible, I guess. :-D
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'S')o come on DT, what's your axe to grind? Hmm? Unhappy with your SATs? :razz: What?

Canadians don't take the SAT's, silly!
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby halcyon » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 04:31:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'N')o wonder fabulous institutions like public schools, for decades now, demand and get more money every single year!

You can look up Scandinavian countries like Finland in the comparative PISA index. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland. All education levels there are based on public schools. Same applies to many other Nordic countries. So we can stop about "all publich schools are bad" nonsense. It's not the form. It's how we run them.

The same applies to health care, btw. US health care uses up more than almost any other OECD country / citizen and produces amongst the worst results. And many other countries pull off completely the opposite. All with public health care.

So stop reading US-centric propaganda about how everything with the word "government" or "public" is bad for you. It's only bad, if its done wrong. Now the question for every American is to ask: how is it done wrong and who is benefiting from doing so? Clearly it is not the population at large.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 05:07:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'Y')ou're a Canuck? Well that explains a lot. Isn't that the country where you are taxed at 50% and where, up until last summer when the Supreme Court ruled on it, it was illegal to own private medical insurance?

Oh, don't even get me started on the myriad failings of the Canadian government. Our laundry list is nearly as long as yours, our government is just a lot quieter about it.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'I') can understand why a system like that would frown upon standardized tests - can't have any overachievers wrecking the socialist system we created - Eh?

Now now, you don't really want to get into a discussion about the quality of Canadian education vs American, do you? IIRC, our national literacy rate is ~98%. How's yours again? Trust me, the comparison just gets worse from there. Let's not even go there.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'D')ude, it's all about statistics. A 25% on a 4 question multiple choice exam is an F. It's equivalent to no knowledge.

It's also the difference between 75% and 100%. My point wasn't to illustrate what a great score a 25% is, but to illustrate the gross margin of error.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'A')nd believe me, you would not have passed the O Chem exam if you hadn't studied a whole lot.

This is getting pretty close to "dare country".
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'I') think 50 was passing. Ouch.
Great, so with a 25% margin of error, I would only have to get 30-35 questions right (but we'll say 40 just to be safe), then fill in the rest with "C"s. Tada! Passing grade. I'm almost tempted to try it, just out of curiousity.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'A')s to how yahoos get degrees? I know how that works. Social promotion, money incentive at the University level, and watered down tests created to appease leftists who equate achievement with inequity.
Yeah, there's certainly a lot of all those things as well.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby ChumpusRex2 » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 08:45:31

Heh. Fun quiz.

Looks like fun. Here's my attempt:

1. RBC
2. More
3. Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine, Thymine
4. 4
5. 9.8 m/s2
6. 10
7. Nitrogen
8. Convergent
9. He didn't. He was long dead when it was first estimated.
10. 6
11. momentum
12. T
13. T-cell
14. 250k
15. 12
16. Carbon
17. Sugars
18. 100
19. 4 billion
20. Cro-Magnon
21. 60 million
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby killJOY » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 09:10:04

It occurs to me that question 20 is either ambiguous or unclear. Both Cro-magnon and neanderthal are subspecies of Homo sapiens.
CM is Homo sapiens sapiens, Nean. is Homo sapiens neandertalensis. It's looking like I scored 16 or 17. I can live with that.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby Heineken » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 10:06:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('halcyon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'N')o wonder fabulous institutions like public schools, for decades now, demand and get more money every single year!
You can look up Scandinavian countries l. . . from doing so? Clearly it is not the population at large.

Heineken wrote no such thing. You're quoting someone else, halcyon.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby Heineken » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 10:12:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'Y')ou're a Canuck? Well that explains a lot.

Isn't that the country where you are taxed at 50% and where, up until last summer when the Supreme Court ruled on it, it was illegal to own private medical insurance?

I can understand why a system like that would frown upon standardized tests - can't have any overachievers wrecking the socialist system we created - Eh?

Dude, it's all about statistics. A 25% on a 4 question multiple choice exam is an F. It's equivalent to no knowledge.

And believe me, you would not have passed the O Chem exam if you hadn't studied a whole lot.

I think 50 was passing. Ouch.

As to how yahoos get degrees?

I know how that works. Social promotion, money incentive at the University level, and watered down tests created to appease leftists who equate achievement with inequity.


And yet, Canada has a higher standard of living than the US, almost any way you care to measure it.

If only you knew how ignorant many of your comments sound, and how unappealing is your general braggadocio.

My guess is that you are very young, and have much to learn about the things that COUNT.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby EnergySpin » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 10:26:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', '
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However, close examination of a whole raft of scientific data reveals the absence of virtually any empirical scientific evidence in support of the theory, either regarding the alleged spontaneous generation of life in first place, let alone the evolution of life forms from one species into another.

Don't know dude .. the classic biochemical experiments on RNA evolution (in a test tube) of Gerald Joyce look pretty convincing to me.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', '
') If anything, the fossil evidence to date indicates the spontaneous appearance, without the existence of any earlier related life forms,

Fossilization in general does not preserve life forms that do not feature a significant mineral component (like bacteria for example). Any rational person should understand this simple point...
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby killJOY » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 12:15:45

I think you're wrong about this:

"Cro-magnon was not a sub species. Was just like you and me. Could have looked just like your neighbor. Clearly the right answer. Few have argued that Neanderthal should be a sub-species. Most argue that is separate."

As I said, CM is <i>Homo sapiens sapiens</i>, and Neanderthal is <i>Homo sapiens neanderthalensis.</i> So the question isn't clearly worded. Yes, there are two sides to this debate, some believing Neanderthals should be classified <i>Homo neanderthalensis,</i> but that's splitting hairs.

http://www.msu.edu/~robin400/neanderthalensis.html
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby kmann » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 12:20:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', '2. Does it take more force, less force, or equal force to overcome the friction of an object at rest compared to that same object in motion? ')

More. The frictional “force” between an object at rest and its surface is less than the frictional “force” between that same object in motion across that same surface.


I think you mean more here too? Otherwise you are contradicting yourself.

BTW, I missed 3, all biology questions- not my strong suit. Overall not a bad test for having been put together on the spur of the moment.

On the subject of the failure of public education, put the blame where it belongs- PARENTS. Nothing predicts student success or failure as well as parental involvement, not wealth, not ethnic background or race. My wife taught high school in a lower class, mixed ethnic background, high school for several years. On parental visit nights only the good students' parents showed up. If the parents don't care, the students don't either. That's why homeschooling is so successful, you don't get more parental involvement than that.
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Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate

Unread postby killJOY » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 12:25:06

"put the blame where it belongs- PARENTS"

Wrong. Modern magical thinking.

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