[MattSavinar]

I've had it.

For about a week or two, Morrison managed not to start a thread about my youth, lack of credibility, mental stability, etc. . . Amazingly, he even started a great thread on saving energy. Way to go, Jay. (I mean this sincerely.)

But now there is a new thread that claims I put up the site and wrote the book because I've made $1,000,000 from it!. Gosh, I wish. If I had that type of dime, I'd be over at http://www.ultimatesecurehome.com , not hanging around here getting ostrich doo-doo flung at me.

Anyways, I responded to the new flames. I know I should be more mature and just not respond when a buch of doo-doo flinging ostriches come at me but you must understand: law school and legal profession are one big doo-doo throwing contest! I can't help it. It's in my nature.

In fact, you know what they do at most schools the very first day of your first year?

The dean gets in front of the incoming class and says, "Welcome first years. I want each of you to look to your right. Now look to your left. Neither of those people will still be enrolled next year."

In other words, "It's doo-doo flinging time, beyootches!"

However, I don't subscribe to the "preemptive doo-doo throwing doctrine" that many on here subscribe too. But when doo-doo is tossed, I am more than happy to roll around in it with the best of them.

Actually, the whole situation is pretty f--ked up. When this forum first got put up, I was really excited. Like many of you, I have at best a handful of fellow "peakers" around me. This isn't the type of stuff you can talk about with just anybody. So it was always nice knowing there is a forum where people share the same (very serious) concerns you do.

I emailed Aaron about a week ago to say I see a pattern forming. About once a week somebody registers and immeaditly starts flaming me. As though the only reason they registered is because they see I post here and have decided that if they flame me enough it will assuage their fears that what I'm saying is, by far, the most likely outcome of where we're heading.

Anyways, I no longer have the time or patience to deal with all the ostrich crap. Good luck to you all of you, even Jay.

Don't cry for me Easter Island,

Matt

[buster]

Never say never; it'll be hard to resist reading posts, and that makes it near impossible to resist posting.

Anyway, assuming you do swear off, good luck in all your endeavors, Matt. See you after the die-off.

[k_semler]

While I disagreed with you on certain points, such as the supposed 9/11 conspiracy by the CIA, and the CIA planning to out bush by means of force, I agreed with you 90% of the time when it came to the post-peak situation. About the only thing I would disagree with you on regarding the post-peak situation is that humanity still has some hope. I do not think that we as a race will react appropriately to ensure a peaceful power-down, and I do agree with you that it will be one endless resource war lasting for the duration of the down slide and also a drastic reduction in population via a die off situation.

Unfortunately, I will probably not survive a massive die-off if the sustainable level of humanity is only 2 billion people worldwide, and the chances are against everyone surviving. Given that the current earth's population is 6.5 billion people, this would mean that 69.230769% of the current world's population will perish in the die-off. I honestly hope that you do survive the die-off, but given the incredible odds, I will not bet on it. Sorry to see you leave, and I hope you find adequate sustenance and prosper if possible in the post-peak world. Peace be with you.

[Madpaddy]

Bye Matt,

But maybe "We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when".

You are welcome over to Ireland anytime - visit before the airfares become too expensive.

Hope you saved all the ostrich doodoo for biomass.

Is that the end of the book review?

And as we say here "f...k the begrudgers"

[Snoop Doggy Dieoff]

I have a feeling Matt forgot to add a few things:

1. Whoever's been promised a free book will be getting one once they are ready.

2. He won't be checking his PM's here but you can email him at matt@lifeaftertheoilcrash.net

3. He will be moderately redesigning the site and adding tons more content and new excerpts from the second edition of the book in the coming weeks.

4. He's got several media appearances coming up, including a two and half hour one over at Feet 2 the Fire - and another one over at FinancialSense.com. As the dates get closer, he'll be posting the info on his site.

Snoop Doggy Dieoff
West Side Easter Island 4 Life, Beyootch

[Colorado-Valley]

Sorry you're going, Matt.

Your website scared the heck out of us, but upon further research, I think you're just about right. Thanks for getting me involved and thinking of ways to change my life.

I'm already an organic farmer/rancher with land hidden in the Rockies, but post-peak catastrophe I plan on being on a good sailboat off the coves of Alaska -- eating grilled salmon and living off the land for awhile.

(At least until the pirates find me!)

Take care.

[NevadaGhosts]

Can't say I really blame him for leaving. Seems this Matt-bashing campaign has gotten out of hand. The moderators here have done a dismal job of moderating this site. They delete posts they shouldn't, and leave other posts alone that should have been deleted a long time ago. So personal attacks are now ok on this site? Matt has accomplished more at age 24 than most of us could hope to do in our entire lives. He is trying to good and people ar eshooting him down because they don't like the doomsday message of his book(most likely and realistic outcome of peak oil). JayMorrison and others are extremely immature, ignorant and naive to say the least. I could use many more adjectives to describe these people, but I won't. They don't like the message (Matt's ominous and realistic book), so kill they messenger, right? Matt doesn't deserve this kind of treatment that has been dealt to him on this site. I wonder how many people here bash him, but haven't even read his book. By the way, I think his book is about 95% accurate in his predictions. I don't like the outcome of the predictions he has made, but I think he is right. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I reject it.

[Licho]

Matt, I have been disgusted by Jay and other people too, about month ago I made same decision, I didn't have time nor mood for flame attacks. But it's really not neccesary to leave forums because of such people. Jay is apparently just having fun. It's hard to ignore direct attacks, but I think it's the way to go. I don't believe that anyone is taking Jay seriously anymore..

[OilBurner]

Sorry to hear that NevadaGhosts. I can assure you we've done everything we can to try and restrain people from behaving in an improper manner. Many completely over the top posts have been moved or deleted to preserve a higher level of content. Especially those of a racial or otherwise unacceptably vile nature.
That said, this is the real world and not the playground. We're not going to step in and defend people from proper criticism just because they happen to be valued posters. Obviously, in Matt's case, a lot of unfair things have been said and we've tried to steer people away from that and keep people on a more reasonable path.
That's not easy, there's no approval process for the vast majority of posts and we try to keep the debate free flowing and free from our interference for the most part. Also, there's not many of us and we all have lives we lead outside of this board too..
For a large degree, Matt hasn't helped the situation by responding in kind and perpetuating these arguments himself. If you look carefully, you'll find people like me trying to intervene in these arguments, slow things down and put the abusive posters in their place. Sometimes we might even delete exceptional content, something the vast majority of our users would not see, and therefore would not appreciate our efforts. Particularly, when Matt has made specific complaints (e.g. personal email published here) we have acted swiftly and decisively to put things right.
But mostly, if people want to behave like children, or worse yet, politicians, then we leave them to it.

In any case, farewell Matt, we are sorry to see you go. If you wish to return under a pseudonym then I promise we won't reveal your identity!

BTW, which posts exactly have we deleted that we shouldn't? There is a strong myth about this. The reality is somewhat less machiavellian; we lose a lot of posts through server moves and software issues.
We try, as a rule, to preserve most content, hence the Hall Of Flames. The delete option is our very last resort, even where ad hominem attacks are concerned.

[nigel]

I find some stuff that appears here is just plain weird, original, bizarre or bonkers - and often not politically correct - so what? It's good to have one's mind forced open if only to remember and appreciate why one shut it in the first place! The moderators have it about right, in my opinion.

Personally, I found the whole Matt Savinar die-off approach to a very serious issue quite childish and off-putting. I made numerous objections to his arguments and not one of them was addressed seriously. He tended to resort to abuse, unsupported assertion and belief rather than sophisticated argument and seemed more interested in self-promotion than factual debate. He had nothing original to say and merely spouted and regurgitated others works - even after they themselves had moved on. All the 'I gave up law' twaddle was an added irritant. He was never a lawyer only a student - so what? Why was this relevant? He failed to appreciate that any serious study requires original thought and presentation of both sides HONESTLY and FAIRLY before drawing a conclusion. A typical lawyer in the making. It's a pity he didn't make it, I'm sure, given he has all the attributes of the one-eyed man which lawyers require to excel, he'd have done well.

I, for one, will not miss the childish non-arguments with Jay.

[JR]

I agree the attacks were equal on both sides, and childish. Sometimes one just needs to learn how to ignore no matter how hard it can be. Eventually the bully will go away. But, if you keep feeding the bully he will continue because he has succeeded in catching your attention and making you angry.

Just my 2 cents.




JR

[Aaron]

Sorry you feel that way Matt, and best wishes man. We appreciate all your input and hope you change your mind and return; you are always welcome.

FOR THE RECORD

I personally deleted the post where Jay posted your private email to him.

I have deleted only 2 other posts... both hate speech and not useful.

We have lost some posts due to technical problems.

We are almost ready to deploy an "ignore" function in the forums.

(timing is everything)

This site is run ON A VOLUNTEER BASIS. There are two technologists who support this site, myself & admin. We have a number of moderators who donate their time.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') emailed Aaron about a week ago to say I see a pattern forming. About once a week somebody registers and immediately starts flaming me. As though the only reason they registered is because they see I post here and have decided that if they flame me enough it will assuage their fears that what I'm saying is, by far, the most likely outcome of where we're heading.

[trespam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nigel', 'I') find some stuff that appears here is just plain weird, original, bizarre or bonkers - and often not politically correct - so what? It's good to have one's mind forced open if only to remember and appreciate why one shut it in the first place! The moderators have it about right, in my opinion.

[Barlow]

Well, it's been a while since I posted for various reasons.

I decided to register a couple of months ago after reading some well meaning econimic numbskull going at it with Matt and others about how there will be no peak. I chimed in to help. At the time, I didn't realize exactly who Matt was, but I had been at what I would call his over-the-top site.

Since then, I witnessed some of the flamer rounds and didn't particularly enjoy them. It was a kin to watching a family fight -- not your family -- someone elses. Or a bar room fight. You watch quitely, or excuse yourself. But there's a bad after taste, regardless.

Now as far Matt making $1 million from book sales?! Do the math. Matt would have to sell at least 40,000 copies just to for that much in revenue, let alone profit. Just as a sanity check: The former white house terrorist expert Richard Clarke's "Against All Enemies" that had 5 printings, sold about 500,000 copies. Matt's not in that league -- yet.

Matt, if you are still reading. Re-join under a different name as was suggested above. I know a book writer at a political site that does that. (That site doesn't tolerate personal attacks either.)

And don't forget "You catch more bees with honey than vinegar" and as my nastly ex-father-in-law used to say "Never get in a pissing contest with a skunk." He oughta now.

[The_Virginian]

May I suggest a nome de plume? "Snoop doggy die off" is already taken...



Anyhow sorry to see ya go. I don't agree 100% with your views, but that is all part of life.

I did like how you had poor ol jay balancing his rear cheeks between dental floss after you put the legal lasso on. I also comend trying to make amends and not going out with a "bash" at the man.

I hope others follow suit.

Hey did I get a free book?

[Falconoffury]

How could you leave just because of a little doodoo flinging? Doodoo flinging is the main reason I'm here, and I have a new favorite doodoo opponent, Yamaha.

[big_rc]

Matt,

Quit being such a huge drama queen!! Get your red headed rump back here and start posting my man. People call you names and impugn your character. Big freakin deal. People are always going to find a way to hate on those who speak the truth. Happens to best of us.

Let me give you some advice. The attacks are not going to end just because you stop posting on this site. As the reality that is Peak Oil becomes more apparent, I can guarantee you that those who speak the truth will be demonized by our "media". If you cannot put up with the little sniping comments made on this site, then you better shut down your operation pretty quickly and step away from the limelight in order to protect your mental well being. But if you can honestly look in the mirror and know that you are speaking what you truly believe, then heaven and earth should not deter you from speaking, posting or living your life the way you see fit. What would have happened if Dr. King or Ghandi had folded at the first sign of hate or slander?

Think long about what I just told you my friend then put your gloves back on and start fighting again. We need all the help we can get.

Peace

[PhilBiker]

What big_rc said. Times a hundred.

[RIPSmithianEconomics]

Right, but don't think you can escape my emails if I have a question. If I don't, best of luck to you, from myself and all the others who will live most of their lives post-peak.

[Permanently_Baffled]

FFS Matt if you cannot handle a bunch of amateur debaters like us , how the hell you gonna convince the big boys?

I think your work thus far has been comendable , the only way you are going to further your cause(and your goole rating :D ) is to continue on webbys like this !!

Good luck and goodbye,

PB