Guessing from the number of copies on the net and the fact it was a report to the US government I would think the Peaking of World Oil Production: Impacts, Mitigation and Risk Management. by Robert L. Hirsch et al, Feb 2005 is in the public domain and it is ok to copy it.
Can anyone confirm that:
Details of report here: Energy Bulletin
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The Robert L Hirsch Thread (merged)
The Robert L Hirsch Thread (merged)
by Gwilym » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 01:58:44
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The Hirsch Report
by EnergySpin » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 22:33:55
EnergyBulletin has an interesting story about the Hirsch Report and its disappearance from the Internet. . Apparently sometime after July 7th the report disappeared from the internet .... and people who took the care to download from the original site have deposited it in Project Censored Site (link found here)
Important points made by Hirsch
1. Over time, major conservation and energy switching initiatives will almost certainly be implemented, but the need for liquid fuels will not disappear for at least the remainder of this century because there are no known alternatives for a number of transportation applications.
2. Increases in oil prices and oil price volatility have been identified as two
precursors of world oil peaking, but both are likely short-term signals.
and the nail to the free markeeters in page 5
Intervention by governments will be required, because the economic and
social implications of oil peaking would otherwise be chaotic. The experiences of
the 1970s and 1980s offer important guides as to government actions that are
desirable and those that are undesirable, but the process will not be easy.
Maybe we should all download the report while it is still available
Important points made by Hirsch
1. Over time, major conservation and energy switching initiatives will almost certainly be implemented, but the need for liquid fuels will not disappear for at least the remainder of this century because there are no known alternatives for a number of transportation applications.
2. Increases in oil prices and oil price volatility have been identified as two
precursors of world oil peaking, but both are likely short-term signals.
and the nail to the free markeeters in page 5
Intervention by governments will be required, because the economic and
social implications of oil peaking would otherwise be chaotic. The experiences of
the 1970s and 1980s offer important guides as to government actions that are
desirable and those that are undesirable, but the process will not be easy.
Maybe we should all download the report while it is still available
"Nuclear power has long been to the Left what embryonic-stem-cell research is to the Right--irredeemably wrong and a signifier of moral weakness."Esquire Magazine,12/05
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by Eli » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 22:42:25
You know what energy spin.
If I had not read this report and found it on other sites and if I did not know first hand that it is an actual report to the DOE. I would dismiss your link as a phony conspiracy theory.
Strange days indeed.
If I had not read this report and found it on other sites and if I did not know first hand that it is an actual report to the DOE. I would dismiss your link as a phony conspiracy theory.
Strange days indeed.
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by Graeme » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 22:43:31
I think we need to go even further than government intervention. There needs to be intergovernment collaborationand intervention at the UN as suggested by W Clark:
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic10462.html
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic10462.html
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by EnergySpin » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 22:52:48
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'Y')ou know what energy spin.
If I had not read this report and found it on other sites and if I did not know first hand that it is an actual report to the DOE. I would dismiss your link as a phony conspiracy theory.
Strange days indeed.
If I had not read this report and found it on other sites and if I did not know first hand that it is an actual report to the DOE. I would dismiss your link as a phony conspiracy theory.
Strange days indeed.
I'm the least inclined in this forum to resort to conspiracy theories.
Heinberg wrote the article in EnergyBulletin
I downloaded the Hirsch Report a few months ago and frankly lost it in my monster hard disks. I tried to locate the report for a friend 10 days ago and could not find it so at first I thought that my "googling" capabilities deteriorated. Apparently others had the same problem, so I feel sane
The social-scientist within keeps circulating a scenario that involves 1984 (a world of scarcity) and a paragraph from an economics article I read (and posted earlier today)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')red Hirsch (1976), in his book “Social Limits to Growth”, emphasizes the role of relative social status by calling attention to “positional goods” which, by definition, cannot be augmented because they solely rely on not being available to others. This theme was taken up
by Frank (1985, 1999) who argues that the production of positional goods in the form of luxuries, such as exceedingly expensive watches or yachts, is a waste of productive resources, as overall happiness is thereby decreased rather than increased.
Maybe the lack of preparation for PO or Peak Energy is intentional .... then whoever is in power can still maintain control over the masses and the social status by maintaining an average (compared to today's standards) while everyone else is dumpster diving. F..k doomerosity level went to 5-6 for the second time today
"Nuclear power has long been to the Left what embryonic-stem-cell research is to the Right--irredeemably wrong and a signifier of moral weakness."Esquire Magazine,12/05
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Hirsch Report
by zceb90 » Sun 31 Jul 2005, 07:29:34
Link to another site containing the report (which still works) was shown in earlier news item on this site: Link
I also found the full Hirsch Report yesterday at: Hirsch Report
I was trying to reference something from the report yesterday and was unaware that report had been removed from some sites; I simply entered the keywords 'Hirsch mitigation' and found a valid link right away. Personally I don't read too much into reports going missing from links which were valid earlier - sites often re-organize data over time especially if they are having to pay for extra storage space. For this reason it's often useful to download reports when they are first published; CD media is cheap method of personal storage for possible retrieval later.
I also found the full Hirsch Report yesterday at: Hirsch Report
I was trying to reference something from the report yesterday and was unaware that report had been removed from some sites; I simply entered the keywords 'Hirsch mitigation' and found a valid link right away. Personally I don't read too much into reports going missing from links which were valid earlier - sites often re-organize data over time especially if they are having to pay for extra storage space. For this reason it's often useful to download reports when they are first published; CD media is cheap method of personal storage for possible retrieval later.
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by jtmorgan61 » Sun 31 Jul 2005, 19:12:38
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')t first I thought that my "googling" capabilities deteriorated.
That would be my vote
This morning I looked for the Hirsch report on google and pulled it up in a few seconds. (I think it was something like link #3).
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by LadyRuby » Sun 31 Jul 2005, 20:02:58
Here are a couple of Hirsch's related presentations, from the "Defense and the National Interest" website.
Looks like his relationship with DOE was a little better back then:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his work was sponsored by the National Energy Technology Laboratory of the Department of Energy, under Contract No. DE-AM26-99FT40575, Task 21006W. The author is indebted to NETL management for their encouragement and support.
Looks like his relationship with DOE was a little better back then:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his work was sponsored by the National Energy Technology Laboratory of the Department of Energy, under Contract No. DE-AM26-99FT40575, Task 21006W. The author is indebted to NETL management for their encouragement and support.
http://www.defense-and-society.org/fcs/hirsch_bio.htm
http://www.defense-and-society.org/fcs/pdf/hirsch_oil_peaking.pdf
And here's another article he wrote for World Oil magazine:
http://www.worldoil.com/magazine/magazine_link.asp?ART_LINK=05-05_mitigating-Hirsh.htm
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