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')Robert Hirsh knows all that, so perhaps you may consider listening to him.
I agree with your point here except that Mr. Hirsch is quite the senior who has a deeper cultural bias to keeping the status quo going that he has experienced in his generation. His point of view is "why rock the boat".
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Re: Hirsch tells us to shut up about peak oil
by EnergyUnlimited » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 05:08:46
OK, you may also say that he is trying to ensure some additional years of environment resembling status quo, so he can die peacefully.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ounger visionaries who are not as invested in the status quo and more willing to confront and educate the masses on the behavioral and lifestyle changes required to mitigate peak oil may have a different point of view about the urgency to communicate the subject.
The problem is that I don't see younger visionaries of this kind, perhaps with the exception of peoples dismissed by mainstreem as tree huggers.
All what I see is a helpless mob duly replacing their older but still working mobile phones into new models for the reason that they are advertised, trendy and my friends already buying them.
Left wing "progressives" are certainly not helping here at all.
They are rather concerned about political correctness and are also promoting sustaining of entitlement culture (extensive social security, free medical care for whoever, all sort of rights and nanny state environment) for as long as we can and preferably ab infinitum.
Needless to say all that will still collapse regardless, but current attitudes are keeping those progressives neutered and preventing them from doing anything useful until is well too late.
I would even go further with my assertions here and say that
left wing progressives are considering current system to be the best which humanity can possibly have, so they are actually fighting to preserve it and expand it further regardless of consequences.
As a result they are becoming to be reactionaries.
Yet another paradox (reactionary progressives).
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')THe current younger generation is going to move into the prime consumption years (25-50) having already had a sense of the limitations due to feedback events. Add a little suffering due to some hard knocking consequences and this can provide the catalyst to drastically reduce consumption.
IMO nothing short of full blown collapse will change attitudes of younger generation.
And if they see limitations they will try to hover around these limits for as long as they possibly can.
Something aka your Kudzu Ape scenario.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he economic depression we are all currently moaning about is actually another catalyst that is shifting cultural values toward frugality. Have we perhaps underestimated how powerful an influence this may have on our shifting cultural values when more and more people connect the dots between financial instability and resource depletion??
My opinion is that authorities will do all what they can to convince peoples that problems are only financial in nature.
It will take few rounds of going into ceiling before peoples begin to understand that these are a very foundations of capitalism, what is actually failing.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e should try to contain that paradox that really bad things are actually really good things if they move us more rapidly as a species toward sustainability. As individials we are just biased about not wanting to die, thats all.
For example I think that actual collapse of current paradigm would be a good thing even if a lot of suffering would be temporary incurred.
