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What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby Carlhole » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 16:21:18

What should members of the peak oil movement call themselves?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kurt Cobb', 'L')anguage is important. Language is the primary way in which humans coordinate their vast enterprises and their daily tasks. And yet, despite this importance the peak oil movement has been fumbling around trying to figure out what to call its members. One thing is certain though. If we don't label ourselves, someone will do it for us. So, I propose to examine some of the terms that are currently in use and suggest a label. I'm certainly open to other suggestions. But, in this piece I hope to do some preliminary pruning.

Some who criticize the peak oil movement have already created labels such as "peakist" and "doomer" to fit their agendas. The first label is awkward (perhaps intentionally so), and the second is clearly derogatory. Let's take these terms in order:

Peakist. If you label an opponent something no one can understand, it creates confusion and difficulty...


I nominate the label, "MotherHubberts".
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby Nicholai » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 16:24:28

I call myself a 'Peak Oiler' (Edmontons Hockey team is the Edmonton Oilers) or 'the Peak Oil Kid.'
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby Concerned » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 16:44:19

Peak Oil is not a cult and there is no movement.

Collectively we are the equivalent of what in the software industry is known as vaporware.

How about debating society?
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby Andrew_S » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 16:45:20

I am a peak oiler. Aaron sometimes says "peakers" which sounds good as a vocative in a thread title: "Attention Peakers".
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby ohanian » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 16:47:48

DOOMIES
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby KrellEnergySource » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 17:55:29

Resource rationalists.

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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 18:03:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KrellEnergySource', 'R')esource rationalists.



Nah, some of us aren't rational. :P
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby TheTurtle » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 18:05:50

Realist.
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 18:24:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', 'R')ealist.



Nah, I believe in peak oil and I live in a fantasy world. :)
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby peakoff » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 19:00:23

Neo-malthusians
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby kublikhan » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 19:17:45

UberDoomer
The oil barrel is half-full.
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby Alcassin » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 19:24:23

Do we believe in some form of cult, Carlhole?
Is this Church of Depletion?

What we 'believe' is spherical, limited Earth, and nothing can be unlimited on spherical, limited Earth. Simple logic.
Peak oil is only an indication and a premise of limits to growth on a finite planet.
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby kpeavey » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 19:53:46

just plain nuts
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby Dezakin » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 19:53:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', 'D')o we believe in some form of cult, Carlhole?
Is this Church of Depletion?

What we 'believe' is spherical, limited Earth, and nothing can be unlimited on spherical, limited Earth. Simple logic.


Right, so you'll readily agree with me we have enough nuclear fuel to last industrial civilization millions of years.
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby Carlhole » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 20:10:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', 'D')o we believe in some form of cult, Carlhole?
Is this Church of Depletion?

What we 'believe' is spherical, limited Earth, and nothing can be unlimited on spherical, limited Earth. Simple logic.


I don't know.

I just noticed the article by Kurt Cobb who writes about Peak Oil all the time.
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby Duende » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 20:18:45

I actually heard Richard Heinberg discuss the term "infrastructural determinist", which is an accurate term in that it addresses the fact that our lifestyles and ideas are ultimately founded upon the seemingly natural expectation that resources are infinitely available to us.
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 21:34:03

I don't know?

But! What I can tell you is what non-believers call us.

assholes
spammers
pricks
nut cases
wackos
morons
lefties
full of BS
agenda posters
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the list goes on & on..............

I've just been banned from a fourm of outcasts, freedom seekers, racists, homophobics, to the right as far as you can get, authority haters, gun lovers, mad men and so on ans so forth. No one gets banned from Labusas.org!

Well, these sheeple just couldn't stand the very idea of Peak Oil and banned me after about a year of my warnings. When things get rough, these kinds are going to mob, rape, shoot and pillage civilization. There are lot's of these kinds around. Scary stuff.
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby Pops » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 22:18:27

I’m just a guy that can do some things, does them, gets by and so hopes to continue. In all the PO threads about how one labels themselves I have seen pretty well every permutation of Peaker.

Which is as it should be since there are over 6b of us - believer or no…

Seems to me, labeling someone (especially oneself) for what they think instead of what they can do is rather sophomoric.


Personally I call myself Pops because that is what my kids and grandkids call me.
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Re: What should Peak Oil believers call themselves?

Unread postby Alcassin » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 23:03:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '
')Right, so you'll readily agree with me we have enough nuclear fuel to last industrial civilization millions of years.


Well, if you had Chernobyl not far away you might be quite aware of the possible outcomes. It's not so far away from here, and really, assuring me that this is safe is calling 'Titanic' unsinkable.

Anyway, I think it can be used as a minor energy source but we have to powerdown. So I disagree, and moreover - keep consumption of uranium growing and your grandkids will face the same problem we have with oil today.

It's not a solution, it's merely transition.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Duende', '
')I actually heard Richard Heinberg discuss the term "infrastructural determinist", which is an accurate term in that it addresses the fact that our lifestyles and ideas are ultimately founded upon the seemingly natural expectation that resources are infinitely available to us.


Infrastructural determinist or wider - economic or even ecologic determinist is quite good term but it won't make any career, it's complicated.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'I') just noticed the article by Kurt Cobb who writes about Peak Oil all the time.


Well, I find his style pretentious. This guy says something like "We, the crowd of the god of depletion are gathered here to share with you our faith that will shock and awe so believe or be punished!". I don't like this kind of persuasion.

We don't believe, we know it. We've got tremendous empirical data, there is nothing metaphysical about peak oil (gas, coal etc.). We are not secret agenda, these facts are known and published, everyone concerned can find huge amount of data.
Peak oil is only an indication and a premise of limits to growth on a finite planet.
Denial is the most predictable of all human responses.
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