[neocone]

FRIGGIN UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE MILLENIUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:

"As many courts have noted, immigration law is one of the most complicated areas of U.S. law, second perhaps only to tax law in complexity. New immigration laws such as the IIRIRA and the USA Patriot Act make it even more difficult to properly and ethically advise foreign nationals. Add to the mix the human element: foreign nationals who desperately want to come to or stay in the United States; family members or employers whose goals, desires or dreams may differ from that of the principal foreign national. All these factors make immigration law challenging and difficult."

http://www.millermayer.com/resources/ge ... ont.htm#11

As a legal immigrant to the US... 6 years into my green card application, and 6 years of denied fucking "... pursuit of happiness" shit, I am hanging on for the simple sake of my pride and "because I have gone that far". Kind of like an experiment of "where will this be even more screwed up tomorrow" spectacle. I am a curious human being and I am curious just as to how a country can be so idiotic and have such an idiotic immigration system. Meanwhile didn't the 911 19 almost all get valid visas? Kudos to you Former INS and now UCSIBSDSICSSCKL part of DHS. Opps I meant fuck you!

American citizenship? Heck no... I already pleaded allegiance to Elizabeth II my Queen, and a honourable man can only swear allegiance once in his Lifetime.

Why I came here? Well... naive notion that what this country was supposedly built on noble principles and all that BS. That I could build something in a welcoming place where all men are equal.

8 years later, I am tired and desillusioned. I have a Masters degree in AI research and have a ton of ideas I could give to this place... but I won't. I am treated like a criminal and denied buisness opportunities while putting up with products of a degenerate education system who don't know shit in my field and get to be promoted and feel superior to me "because they were born here".

Maybe next year Ibiza here I come... meanwhile if the only way to come and stay here is made so it's simpler just illegally (no ID in your system so you don't even need to pay taxes or pay traffic tickets!!!), then in future history people will reflect on how America disintegrated into a third world nightmare by welcoming the cream of the crap of the world and the scums who could defeat its mikey mouse legal structure, while rejecting people who could actually do some good.

I want my 8 years wasted back!!!

[IanC]

"Their values clash with our own"

Did you really write that?

First of all, the USA has more spanish-speaking people in it than Paraguay. "They" are "we". Get used to it.

Second, who are we? Would you say that "we" are of Chinese descent? African? European?

Finally, that statement sounds like it comes from someone with NO experience actually interacting on a personal level with Mexican immigrants. Here in Oregon, I grew up in a small agricultural town with a very large Hispanic community, many of whom had been here since before the Depression. Believe me, they are just like us. After college, I worked in a migrant health center, taking care of migrant babies, pregnant women, men with injuries, etc. These people are EXACTLY the people we want in this country: hard-working, loving of thier families, strong community members and community builders. I won't gloss over the fact that they are poor and have a disproportionate amount of drugs and crime in their community. I feel that these are the sequelae of poverty and discrimination - just ask American whites who are in the same boat.

Not to jump down your throat, but your comment seemed ignorant to me. Try to learn something about Mexican immigrants and you'll see yourself and your heritage reflected back.

-IanC
Portland, OR.

[neocone]

Regarding values... I think whoever gets to actually WANT TO STAY in this country will want to do so in a very primal and basic way, by any means and JUST TO SURVIVE.

BECAUSE BACK home it is so much more worst. Kind of like having a boat and having a raft bump into it: People who will pour from the raft into your boat will just care about being on your boat, not much else.

Immigration law is so above and beyond screwed up that the only way to come to this country is illegally, and hang on for dear life.

Legally, the regular curriculum is about 20-30 steps and maybe 3000 pages of documents. If by marriage instead of by employment maybe half that. And if you happen to have a nobel prize you can be classified as a "ALIEN" of extraordinary abilities and get tolerated in the US with fewer requirements.

Do legal immigrants like us contribute to the population explosion here? Given most of us have degrees and don't want large families, and sometimes will want to go home and live there for retirement, I doubt it.

So guess who comes and truly stays here? As most of the planet becomes slumville, it's the good old principle of communicating waterways... from where living is crappy to where living is better until everything balances out.

[Tyler_JC]

Let's be honest here.

The United States lacks the resources to handle another 100 million people.

We are already the most overpopulated nation on the planet in terms of our resource usage, why should we be encouraging more people to join in on our overly consumptive way of life.

As for a culture clash, Mexico's people would demand a Catholic Socialist country. Most Americans would not want either. So yes, there would be a culture clash.

Maybe some of the basic values are the same, but the End Game/Big Picture looks very different.

[neocone]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'A')s for a culture clash, Mexico's people would demand a Catholic Socialist country. Most Americans would not want either. So yes, there would be a culture clash.

Maybe some of the basic values are the same, but the End Game/Big Picture looks very different.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IanC', '
')Not to jump down your throat, but your comment seemed ignorant to me. Try to learn something about Mexican immigrants and you'll see yourself and your heritage reflected back.

-IanC
Portland, OR.

[one_more_day]

If we want to enforce the law, then OK, but if you are going to talk about preserving "our" culture, then forget about it. So many people are railing about 11 million illegal immigrants. They wouldn't be happy if there were 11 million legal immigrants.

I am a born-citizen of anglo descent, but my husband is a naturalized citizen and of Hispanic descent. I can tell you that the fact of his citizenship does not prevent people from looking at him as one of those "damn illegals". We are talking about someone who has never even had a traffic ticket, who has worked full-time and paid taxes since he was eighteen.

His culture is not the same as white culture, and for some people, that is the only thing that matters.

If you are going to talk about preserving "our" culture, then be honest and admit that it isn't really about illegals. To preserve "our" culture, you would have to remove my husband and his family, 50% of the co-workers I've ever had, and 85% of my neighborhood. Except for a few neighbors, all of these people are US citizens.

In reality we let in a bunch of people who are not like us. Imagine, people from other parts of the world are different. Now they are starting to make changes and we don't like it. It's not convenient.

Great idea, let's find some one to blame. Illegals are an easy target because they already have one strike against them. They definitely are affecting our culture, its true. However, if they weren't around to do it, the existing legal immigrants would be more than enough to shift things around without them

On an end note: I have a Australian friend who lives in the US. She messed up her paperwork and ended up being illegal for over a year. I never heard anyone b****ing about her presence in this country.

[Quicksilver]

They said on the Today show that 9 out of 10 babies born in California are now hispanic and that hispanics will make up a quarter of the American population in 10 years time. That's a huge demographic shift in a relatively short time.

[SolarDave]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quicksilver', 'T')hey said on the Today show that 9 out of 10 babies born in California are now hispanic and that hispanics will make up a quarter of the American population in 10 years time. That's a huge demographic shift in a relatively short time.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quicksilver', 'T')hey said on the Today show that 9 out of 10 babies born in California are now hispanic and that hispanics will make up a quarter of the American population in 10 years time. That's a huge demographic shift in a relatively short time.

[holmes]

Demographic shift? LOL! Thats the least of you and your childs worries. In 20 fucking years the pop is going to double! yes that is D O U B L E! So your looking at 350 mil times 2 thats around 700 million. LOL and your worried about the what race these fucktards are. You better prepare your child or yourself for the consequences and cease and desist with the petty issues. and in 20 years the glaciers ar egoing to be gone and the water. Its going to be harsh and deadly in the coming years. But hey! Sluts like it all and anytime and anyway! Bring em in! Rape me! Take it all.

[TommyJefferson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'T')his makes the Hispanic demographic largely incompatible with the existing American political system

[Pretorian]

Rio de Janeiro is amazing city and a way safer than Washington DC, for example.
As for mexicans and other illegals, the problem is that they have too many kids thats all. mexico as well as Salvador and others is a beatiful country where people can have a wonderful life. with appropriate numbers of course.
You cant really blame them for wanting your piece of pie. You can blame yourself for not doing anything to keep it and those who rob you with taxes so they can relax while you will serve them.

[Polemic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('one_more_day', 'I')f you are going to talk about preserving "our" culture, then be honest and admit that it isn't really about illegals. To preserve "our" culture, you would have to remove my husband and his family, 50% of the co-workers I've ever had, and 85% of my neighborhood. Except for a few neighbors, all of these people are US citizens.

[drew]

I love these kinds of topics; they seem to bring out the bigots so quickly. Now where is that uninhabitable island we need, so we can ship them all off.

Note the word 'uninhabitable'.

I think there's a little too much hate going 'round these days.

Drew

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('one_more_day', '
')If you are going to talk about preserving "our" culture, then be honest and admit that it isn't really about illegals. To preserve "our" culture, you would have to remove my husband and his family, 50% of the co-workers I've ever had, and 85% of my neighborhood. Except for a few neighbors, all of these people are US citizens.

On an end note: I have a Australian friend who lives in the US. She messed up her paperwork and ended up being illegal for over a year. I never heard anyone b****ing about her presence in this country.

[Cynus]

I've got to say, it's weird. I live in New England. There's the white steepled church, there's the town common with the gazebo and revolutionary war monument, there's the old colonial town hall and brick library. This time of year the leaves of the maples have turned red and orange. It's all just perfectly sublime. There's a woman in a sari, and another wearing a head scarf. Wait. That's weird. There's just something weird about seeing the different cultures superimposed. It would be equally weird if Germans, say, all of a sudden started living around the Taj Mahal and wore Leiderhosen.

[EdwinSm]

High population growth is putting strain on the environment and the economy. As we head into the effects of Peak Oil and peak everything else it seems certain that population levels will fall instead of keeping on rising. if we are indeed on a bumpy plateau before a fall off in oil production we may have a few more years of it being relatively good, and hopefully these years will see the beginnings of some of the changes that are needed.

In this context I was interested that the latest World Population Data Sheet includes a section on the States:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he U.S. population is growing more slowly and beginning to age rapidly. Between 2010 and 2011, the number of people under age 18 declined by 190,000, while the number of people ages 65 and older increased by 917,000. Women in the U.S. now average 1.9 children, down from 2.1 several years ago.

[Newfie]

Yes!

It is true that the US consumers are very heavy users. However another problem I s that we have set an example of consumerism that much of the third world desires to emulate.

The US and Western world alone have brought us to ( or past) the brink. How will it be when the rest of the world tires to catch up to us?

It is too late, far too late.

IMHO we are at seven billion, headed to one billion, or there abouts.