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Trader's Corner 2006

Discussions about the economic and financial ramifications of PEAK OIL

Where will the price of WTIC oil be on December 29, 2006?

Less than $50
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Around $55
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Around $60
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Around $65
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Around $70
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More than $80
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby CARVER » Tue 23 May 2006, 17:20:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'W')e always knew that there would be no easy way to unravel the globe's huge financial imbalances. And that any attempt would have to come from higher savings in the USA, and higher consumption relative to exports in Asia as well as eroding their own export competitiveness. Except those are exactly the kind of cures everyone is so desperate to avoid.

It is like the doctor saying, 'okay, stop smoking, get more exercise and eat a proper diet.' And the patient saying, 'ya, ya, I know that, but what else could I do instead?'

Everyone who is anyone knows what has to be done. Now where is the political will to do it, and to sell it to the electorate and taxpayers?


I would make the following analogy:

It is like the doctor saying to a colleague 'That patient of yours really should take some rest, he is putting too much stress on his body, if he continues like this he will get himself a serious injury.' And the colleague saying 'I know, I told his coach that like a million times already'.
Player walks into the head coach's office, saying 'How am I doing coach?', coach 'Uh, you're fine, doing great, the doc said you can play'.


The players (general public) should know that what they are doing ain't healthy, but they like it and all the players do it and the coach (govenment) is telling us it's going great. They don't realize what the consequences can be.

I still don't see a lot of effort being made to advise the general public and explain the situation to them. And the general public probably doesn't have a lot of interest in 'boring' economics (or politics). If the general public doesn't act in the desired way, then it is up to the government to get the results. The government will do the saving (US) or spending (EU/ME/Asia) for us. That would move the mixed economies further in the direction of centrally planned economies, I think, which probably won't be very efficient. I think this stuff should get more attention in our basic education, at least try to educate the general public. If it doesn't work we can go with more government intervention then.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby cube » Tue 23 May 2006, 17:42:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'T')his is a long one, but well worth the read. I do not agree with everything David W. Tice says, and, of course, I have not checked the numbers, but you cannot help but feel that the gyst of what he is saying is fairly accurate?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Federal Reserve must choose between the US Dollar and Home prices
*insert economic mumble jumbo*
I think there is much truth to that statement. I believe that at the end of the day the fed will choose to defend the dollar and not the McMansion bubble. However Ben aka "Helicopter Commander" is no Paul Volker...I'll bet my last 2 barrels of oil that we're NOT going to see double digit interest rates. However that's not necessary. Currently the federal funds rate is 5%

6% would bring most home "owners" with an "ARM" to their knees.
7% would knock them flat on their back.
8% would burry them 6 feet under.

I think 8% is possible. Remember that a Fed rate of 8% would equal a home mortgage rate of about 10%. (that's a rough estimate)
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Wed 24 May 2006, 02:30:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Marklar', '[')b]
Stocks Advance As Commodities Bounce Back


http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060523/wall_street.html?.v=12

Funny. Not long ago that headline would have read. "Stocks decline as rising commodities spark inflation fears" or something similar.

What gives?


I like to think of ALL global markets in terms of a spider's web. No matter where you tug on it, all of the web is affected in some way. Obviously, the closer to where you pull the larger the effect, but all areas of the web respond to pressure at any point. As the Chinese say, we all eat from the same rice bowl. Just one big pool of global liquidity.

Over liquidity blew-up a lot of bubbles from real estate, to emerging market debt, to commodity prices. Now that the stimulus is being removed the whole market is starting to go into liquidity withdrawl. Inflation concerns, which are the driving force behind higher interest rates, will affect commodity prices the same as they would the stock market.

Interest rates are simply the cost of money. Raise the interest rate, you slow growth, and you make stocks worth less because their present value is the sum of the income stream in the form of dividends plus future capital growth, or in short their future value discounted into present value using a discount factor, which is the cost of money.

So it is no wonder that so many markets are declining in tandem because they were all affected by too much global liquidity at the same time that over liquidity flattered too many asset classes and reduced risk premia. As risk premia came down, investors took bigger bets in riskier assets. It just takes a few cases of bird flu in some place like Indonesia to tug at one end of the web and send signals to the otherside of the globe.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Wed 24 May 2006, 05:30:54

On asset bubbles and targeting money supply as well as inflation indicators by Steven Roach at Morgan Stanley. Definately worth a read.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Inflation may well have been conquered — a conclusion financial markets are actively debating again — but that was yesterday’s battle. Over the past six years, monetary authorities have turned the liquidity spigot wide open. This has given rise to an endless string of asset bubbles — from equities to bonds to property to risky assets (emerging markets and high-yield credit) to commodities. Central banks have ducked responsibility for this state of affairs. That could end up being a policy blunder of monumental proportions. A new approach to monetary policy is urgently needed.
Global: Wake-Up Call for Central Banking
Some salient points made in simple, straight forward language.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Wed 24 May 2006, 10:51:42

EIA numbers released here. Sorry did not get them posted ahead of time. The estimates were way off. Small draw in crude against a small build in unleaded. The results were:

Crude -3.0 mio bbls to 343.90 mio bbls
Gasoline +2.1 mimo bbls to 208.30 mio bbls
Distillates +2.5 mio bbls to 117.1 mio bbls


which should be very bearish for prices if you asked me? No? Well, that is my opinion anyway! ; - )

Refinery Runs -0.1 to 89.7% (neutral)

I think the story is in the demand number?

Total product demand +3.3% YOY (despite higher pump prices & higher interest rates), which is the bullish side of this report.

That may be why we are creeping to the topside of the range now, especially ahead of the start of the driving season this coming weekend.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Thu 25 May 2006, 02:59:32

Keeping everything in perspective...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')igns of the times
It's human nature to react to what we see the most. Gas prices, by law in most places, are posted. So everywhere we go, we see $2.91, $3.09, $3.21. Ugh.
Now, what would we think if Starbucks posted the $3.60 for a caramel Frappucino or if Applebee's announced in big letters its $7 glass of wine, which isn't even posted on the menu let alone on the curb? What if your major credit-card company posted its annual price of $180 for every $1,000 of consumer debt you take on?
A gallon of milk is $3.29 at my grocery. At last, gasoline -- made from a nonrenewable resource imported in many cases from halfway around the world -- is almost as expensive. A gallon of Coke in 12-ounce cans will set you back 5 bucks; a gallon of domestic beer is almost $9. Why, a gallon of drinking water in 16-ounce bottles is almost $7.
If those prices were posted prominently on banners outside the grocery store we'd be up in arms about these items too.
[url=http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid={3FBAE58E-0596-4B0E-B4A9-209B58BFB7D8}&siteid=mktw&dist=nbi]Missing real inflation signs[/url]

Keeping in mind that not all price increases are in fact due to inflation. Some are lifestyle choices and some are product improvements. Life is too precious to drink cheap wine.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Thu 25 May 2006, 05:07:29

$100 a barrel on supply disruptions
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK (Reuters) - Oil prices could spike above $100 a barrel if a new shortfall were to hit already tight crude supplies, though such high prices may not be sustainable, Deutsche Bank's chief oil economist said on Tuesday.

Unlike previous rallies, the recent surge in oil prices has been triggered by a series of small supply problems like those in Nigeria, which could be exacerbated by a major outage, Adam Sieminski told the Reuters Global Energy Summit in New York.

"It's a supply crisis of a thousand cuts. It's these small things that add up to a lot of losses," said Sieminski. "It's certainly possible to see oil spike into the triple digits. All it would take is a big problem somewhere."

Losing another 2 million barrels a day from a drop-off in exports from the Middle East, an earthquake in Alaska or a major hurricane could send prices over that mark, he said.

Oil may top $100 on new supply shortfall

But China says, will not buy expensive foreign oil to begin filling up their strategic reserves according to Chinese officials(link) but would instead look to develop domestic resources as well rely more on coal and nuclear power to meet its energy needs.

Here is a question for mining buffs. If you were building a portfolio of mining stocks, which would you choose keeping in mind the following criteria

    diverisfied, integrated companies
    geographical mix to avoid country or currency risk
    maybe coal as well as metals
    listed on a major exchange (no penny stocks please)
    liquid

I looked at it yesterday and based on the coal, metals story came up with

    Newmont Mining +35% yoy
    BHP Billiton +69%
    RioTinto +77%
    Phelps Dodge +90%
    Xstrata +94%


The idea being that the portfolio would have an overall strategic long exposure (beta), but would be actively managed, trading one stock against the other within the portfolio with an over arching hedge in natural gas, heating oil and metal futures in case there is a downward correction to outperform a buy & hold strategy (alpha). This would be for sophisticated investors who want exposure to this sector and can accept risk.

Any thoughts from your own experience? Thanks.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Thu 25 May 2006, 08:59:48

Morales - is that Spanish for Silver Tongued Devil?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here is a shadow gathering over Bolivia -- a wave of socialism that threatens the economic health of the country and billion-dollar investments by foreign companies. Bolivia has already nationalized its natural gas industry -- and Evo Morales, the country's new president, says he won't pay three European firms after taking over their operations.

The big winner
The biggest potential winner as shadows gather over Bolivia is silver itself. If Bolivia does nationalize its mining industry or hikes taxes high enough, foreign investment will grind to a halt. Production would fall, and less supply should send silver prices higher.
Bolivia's cloud in the silver lining
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Thu 25 May 2006, 09:56:31

Let's see there are Castro, Chavez, Morales and then President: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who is really frightening, but then there are so-called sane commentators who are truly nuts and make those other guys almost look legitimate by comparison....
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat is one of the most important facts in our world, and hardly anyone you meet will believe it. Most people have been bamboozled by the oil industry led by its flacks, by compliant analysts (read Daniel Yergin et al), by peak oil spinmeisters, a snoozing press, and the heavy artillery brought to bear by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries ( OPEC), which works overtime and spends big to make us believe in the myth of scarcity. That keeps prices high and oilmen rich, while the rest of us pay and pay and pay
Oil is Not Scarce -- The Oil Industry Continues to Play Us For Fools
It is the Raymond J. Learsy's of the world who give all the ammunition that conspiracy theorists need! ; - )
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby Chaparral » Thu 25 May 2006, 13:27:38

Lotsa smoke and mirrors in the biz, that's for sure.

On the trading front, CL just does not seem to want to stray much from the 7000 range today. Shorted it at 7040, saw it go down to the 6900s yesterday only to see it reach 7085 today. Factoring out the hurricane fears, I am thinking it should dip to the 6600s based on chart action and fundamentals and the COT data. It is looking like the 68 to 70 dollar range might be more and more the stable number here.

went long on july unleaded at 20300 and exited at 20450 for a quickie profit. Now it's at 20550 and climbing.....bah humbug!
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby cube » Thu 25 May 2006, 17:16:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ost people have been bamboozled by the oil industry *insert rant*
Oil is Not Scarce -- The Oil Industry Continues to Play Us For Fools
It is the Raymond J. Learsy's of the world who give all the ammunition that conspiracy theorists need! ; - )
Me thinks when PO hits and prices shoot up to the moon the general public will be looking for a scapegoat. Commodity futures traders (especially gold and oil) beware!

That's why I always make sure there's a full tank of gas in the helicopter parked in my back yard. Just in case I need to make a quick get away. :P

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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Fri 26 May 2006, 02:31:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')e thinks when PO hits and prices shoot up to the moon the general public will be looking for a scapegoat. Commodity futures traders (especially gold and oil) beware!

That's why I always make sure there's a full tank of gas in the helicopter parked in my back yard. Just in case I need to make a quick get away.


Just read an interesting article about how 250+ white farmers from Zimbabwe have turned around agriculture in Zambia, just as Zimbabwean commercial agriculture has collapsed since the forceable land siezures there, and now the UN is organizing emergency food aid.

The farmers would not go back to Zimbabwe now even if asked, and the government there is offering them 99-year leases now. But it is simply not safe, so they are in Zambia to the benefit of that country. They have increased employment in agriculture by a factor of 1000 (on their farms), if I remember the article correctly. Would post it if I had it.

EDIT: not the same article, but just as good. Zambia Tired Of Being Mentioned In 'News Of The Weird' Section

It is amzaing how short sighted some policies are and what a large difference a small percentage of doers can make versus the larger numbers of onlookers and hanger-ons. I have no doubt that with or without post peak oil shortages that the seething masses can hardly wait for their day of bloodletting, which ironically won't make them one bit better off.

Friends of mine were in Yugoslavia when it imploded into ethnic violence. They said, the guys carrying the guns in the city streets, were the country bumkins who were going to show everyone who the boss was now. I suspect that the agrarian communist revolutions in Asia were about the samething? Just a naked grab for power by a few under the cover of rhetoric about of the people, for the people, by the people or some such nonsense. Just so they get their turn at the public trough.

I am much more interested about what happens today than worried about facing the mobs tomorrow. Whatever happens, happens. There is no blood on my hands, yet.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Fri 26 May 2006, 03:59:32

How long will the good times last?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he soaring prices have triggered a wave of investment in new refineries and oil production, but it has also renewed fears that the burden of energy costs could trigger inflation and hamper economic growth.

The world's leading oil producer, Saudi Arabia, is spending tens of billions of dollars to expand refining capacity around the world and boost its oil production by 1.5 million barrels to 12.5 million barrels per day (bpd) by 2009.

In the United States, the world's biggest energy consumer, the oil industry is expected to boost refining capacity by 12 percent by 2010 with expansions at existing plants, according to the U.S. Energy Department.

The combination makes up a recipe for a fundamental downturn in oil prices in the coming years, experts said, underscoring the perennial boom and bust trend of the energy business.

Oil boom has a few years to run: experts

Don't ask me, I thought the world was facing a recession after the dot.con bubble burst in 2000? How was I supposed to know that those falling interest rates and pumping liquidity would ignite the asset bubbles we have seen in housing, commodities and emerging markets? Duh! ; - )
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby drew » Fri 26 May 2006, 07:47:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'C')ommodity futures traders (especially gold and oil) beware!

That's why I always make sure there's a full tank of gas in the helicopter parked in my back yard. Just in case I need to make a quick get away. :P


Not that I'm particularly evil, like Mr. Bill, or wealthy like Mr. Bill, but it is weird you mentioned the copter, cube.


Maybe I'm just a klepto, but I have had a recurring dream of stealing a plane from the local airport. Funny thing is that I can actually fly, just barely. If an angry mob was after me I might tempt fate this way as opposed to being torn apart.

Of course the military would probably blow one out of the air too...

What ARE your escape plans Mr. Bill???

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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby drew » Fri 26 May 2006, 07:57:33

BTW, I read that Learsey article too. What a complete F@#%ing idiot. He should seriously try doing some basic research first...

A lot of journalists do a real disservice to the public don't they?

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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Fri 26 May 2006, 09:10:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat ARE your escape plans Mr. Bill???


Hmm, depends on how it goes down, Drew? If we are talking about a Zimbabwe or an Argentina, just stay nimble and don't get attached to 'things'. A second passport and an offshore bank account can right a lot of wrongs and smooth a quick exit.

On the other hand, if we are talking the Mad Max scenario for our collective futures then you have to question the willingness to want to survive it? For what?

But in the first place, I look like a beach bum not a banker at the moment. Certainly, the mob will not be targeting me. Heck, all the eastern European day laborers live in the crappy apartment across the street from me and I see them everyday. The Russian mafia guys are the ones flashing cash around! ; - )

Cyprus is not a bad place to ride out an avian flu pandemic or minor global financial meltdown. Longer term, climate change may make the moderate to warm climate here much hotter & dryer, so I would worry about water in the long-term, especially with so much development on the island. Our relative proximately to MEA may mean eventually that conditions elsewhere might increase population pressures on the island. Not good, if it outstrips the productive capacity of the island, which has been reduced through over-development.

The family farm in N. Alberta would probably be better post-peak oil, if we are talking about a partial return to some sort agrarian existence with a noticeable shortage of stuff to burn to run the economy. At least we have oil, gas and coal for the initial transition?

And if no alternatives exist on a large scale, then on the mixed farm we can grow enough to eat, and maybe even enough to be able to make bio-diesel for the farm equipment (practically antiques now, but still in running condition, and that is all that matters if the alternative is a scythe, a shovel & a hoe); and/or ethanol from potatoes to run some of the older pre-electronic & catalytic converter vehicles for running into town once a week, or heck, just getting drunk. If not, well, we have brush to burn, and enough fresh water to keep the garden growing and keep a few head of cattle, pigs & chickens.

I am not sure the madding crowds will make it out to our neck of the woods, by the time they walk there they may be quite tired? Of course, they can float down the N. Saskatchewan, if they are entrepreneurial enough and build a raft. But once there, the pickings would be quite slim. Some old farm machinery isn't much use if you lack the mechanical/metal working skills to keep it running and the fuel to burn in it. Maybe they will want the hand tools? Hard to get worked-up about killing over 'stuff'?

I guess self-defence of the extended family is another issue. But no worries, done enough deer and goose hunting that the latent skills are still there. If you can shoot skeet you can hit anything! Of course, skeet don't shoot back! ; - )

You know, prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Fri 26 May 2006, 09:17:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat ARE your escape plans Mr. Bill???


Crude tanked a bit here. Down to $7020 from $7120, so according the 100 pt. rule that should be all this afternoon, and it should recover heading into the first long weekend of the summer driving season. We'll see? In any case, have a nice weekend and we'll chew the cat next week. Cheers.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby truecougarblue » Fri 26 May 2006, 09:58:29

For a second there I thought I was reading the "planning for the future" thread.

I've gotten back into AU mining in the last few days. I've got my stops in and hope it doesn't decide to ride down further toward 590. I've got a pretty good feeling about the gold for the next 2 weeks, after that I'm not so sure. Maybe we will see further correction to 590s
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Fri 26 May 2006, 10:09:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('truecougarblue', 'F')or a second there I thought I was reading the "planning for the future" thread.

I've gotten back into AU mining in the last few days. I've got my stops in and hope it doesn't decide to ride down further toward 590. I've got a pretty good feeling about the gold for the next 2 weeks, after that I'm not so sure. Maybe we will see further correction to 590s


Well, in a way, trading is planning for the future. After I am broke and unemployed, digging potatoes will seem like a step-up?; - )

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') guess the other view is the light volume days might be an indication this thing is just overdone to the upside. If this continues soft today I'd expect more of a sell off next week


Problem is that on the daily chart we are at the topside of a downward sloping channel with about 4-5 tests to the topside and 4-5 tests to the downside as well, and it will take some momentum to milk it one whey or the udder? Thought that today being Friday ahead of a long weekend with Iran saying, FCUK EWE to the international community, that we might see it higher, but it is still early hours and more bears to trap before the close.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby Chaparral » Fri 26 May 2006, 21:44:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', ' ')but it is still early hours and more bears to trap before the close.



Muhahahaha! The bears got away ya scalawag! Well, at least they didn't get chewed on by the bulls too much unless they shorted HU-N06 at 20800. Of course I was waiting for CL-N06 to hit 7200 before shorting it and it never got there.

The COT commercials are heading to the middle of the road as of this afternoon's report. I guess that means that from the producers' and consumers' point of view 70 bucks a barrel is about the right price. I am now doubting that well ever see our much awaited 2nd Fib retracement of 6600.

The commercials don't seem to think that sub 6.00 nat gas is underpriced either. They're a little on the short side of their range. I don't think I'll go long on NG until I see one of those white swirly things in the Gulf of Mexico.
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