[Shaved Monkey]

I eat pretty low carb, a bit of 5:2 occasionally.
Nothing too religious.
Mainly a Mediterranean /SE Asian Diet.
All my beef is grass fed (its cheaper and way more common in Australia than grain fed) and tastes better.
I eat very very little sugar,I try and only eat seasonal fruit (mainly home grown).
I make my own sourdough bread occasionally.
I grow as much veg as I can and I avoid as much food made in factories as I can.
Im nowhere near a fast food place and dont crave or like fast food,I love cooking and can cook virtually anything from scratch and eat at home 99% of the time.
I eat as much fish as I can get my hands on and try and swap barter for local lamb and chook when its around.
I drink 2 or so glasses of red wine a day (it should be my own when the vineyard starts producing)
Australians live some of the longest lives after the Japanese so Im not too worried,if luck and statistics pan out I should get a long happy life enjoying good food.

Stress is also a big cause of cancer
Stressing out about food is bad for you

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '&')quot;three of his vegan friends died young from colon cancer. "

Hmmmm, this is what is known as anecdotal evidence which is worth approximately squat in assessing risk scientifically. (Do we need a brief course on basic critical thinking on this site, or something?)

[dohboi]

"otherwise there's probably no discussion"

?? What's wrong with discussing studies? Anecdotes tell you nothing. They are rumor or worse.

I mean it's one thing if you want to share your own experience. But going out to find some bozo on the web that makes some claim about some other people...it's hearsay on top of hearsay. I can find some bozo on the web who knows someone else who...has done anything you can think of that I could use to 'prove' any ridiculous claim you could imagine.

I'm sure you would be the first to point out this obvious fact to me if I said that I read somewhere on the internet that somebody knew of someone who had been miraculously cured of cancer by going vegan. And you'd be right. (And I, for one, would be glad to be schooled by you even if you were a tad condescending in pointing it out.)

You just don't recognize how equally idiotic your source was since you happen to think it's right.

[yellowcanoe]

I'm ok with vegetarians especially as my own experience is that if I cut back on meat consumption I will lose weight. What irritates me are family members who insist they cannot consume gluten. I'm not talking about people who have some condition such as Crohn's disease where you really do have to avoid gluten. It's more a case of people who have a tendency to latch on to pieces of pseudo science. For example, one of the people who won't eat gluten also refuses to have her children vaccinated.

[Pops]

They say if you don't challenge your immune system it becomes weak, and maybe even attacks you. I think a lot of these crazy ideas are sorta the same thing, our self preservation instinct gets bored and so it looks for a threat to worry about.

[Timo]

Pops, there may be something to the body getting bored and relaxing too much theory you just mentioned. If the body is not exposed to viruses or bacteria, how does the body develop antibodies to those critters that could potentially infect the body? Using anti-bacterial soap may be good in the short term, but exposure to those very bacteria encourages your body to develop its own ability to fight them. If we use a soap to relieve our body from that obligation, our immune system doesn't grow, and thus becomes more susceptible to those bugs we're so afraid of.

In other words, hospitals should stop insisting everyone rub their hands with that anti-bacterial sanitizer immediately. Using that sanitizer only encourages the spread of deadly diseases. Sick patients need all of the help with their immune systems they can get!

[Pops]

Weeeelllll, maybe I'd not go that far, LOL

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '
')You just don't recognize how equally idiotic your source was since you happen to think it's right.

[dohboi]

"I asked a question."

Ummm, you know your posts are easily retrievable. This is what your wrote:

"And here's a vegan talking about how three of his vegan friends died young from colon cancer."

I don't see a question anywhere in there.

It's nice to know that you intended it as one, though.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')hey say if you don't challenge your immune system it becomes weak, and maybe even attacks you. I think a lot of these crazy ideas are sorta the same thing, our self preservation instinct gets bored and so it looks for a threat to worry about.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '&')quot;I asked a question."

Ummm, you know your posts are easily retrievable. This is what your wrote:

"And here's a vegan talking about how three of his vegan friends died young from colon cancer."

I don't see a question anywhere in there.

It's nice to know that you intended it as one, though.

[dohboi]

No tantrum here. I'm not the one whining that, even though the world is about to end, the worst possible thing that could ever happen to me is if I ate one ounce less red meat than I am accustomed to.

[Shaved Monkey]

I just hope the Zombies are vegan

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'N')o tantrum here. I'm not the one whining that, even though the world is about to end, the worst possible thing that could ever happen to me is if I ate one ounce less red meat than I am accustomed to.

[dohboi]

Oh, I don't really hold out much hope for you jokers.

I just find it curious that most here seem to accept that we're on the edge of destruction, but few if any seem willing to make major changes in their behaviors in such a way that might decrease the level of destruction we are collectively inflicting upon the world.

[Timo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'N')o tantrum here. I'm not the one whining that, even though the world is about to end, the worst possible thing that could ever happen to me is if I ate one ounce less red meat than I am accustomed to.

[dohboi]

For the record, I agree that there is a lot that comes out, especially in the MSM, about diet 'science' that is dubious at best. I don't think that means you want to throw out all the babies with the bathwater. I'm not aware of any deep-pocket funders working to influence research at universities. It seems much more likely that dairy and meat interests are the ones that would have the deepest pockets to influence these, as they have with the famous food pyramid for decades.

So Ta's claims really do more to damn research that promotes meat and dairy eating than to cast doubt on any research that show benefits of vegetarian or vegan diets.

But again, if anyone bothered to read any of the article, or even a sentence or two of it that I bothered to copy at the head of this thread, you could see that the main reasons for vegan diet given are environmental ones. (I'm beginning to the impression that almost no one is carefully reading anything anymore on this site, as seen by the apparent misunderstanding that Ta evidenced in his response to my post above.)

I wonder if we could talk about those for a bit.

[Pops]

The interesting thing is how fructose, meat and corn all come together in this thread - might as well throw GMOs in for good measure.

The increase in corn yield has driven the increase in free fructose consumption with the effect I outlined above and of course the health problems associated - in a period where red meat was considered evil ...


Increasing corn yield (along with soybeans to some extent) has also been the driver behind CAFOs and the falling price of meat/dairy/fish.

Devil Meat is just a sideshow because no matter what you think you are eating, you are able to eat those January tomatoes or baby arugula because of the massive surplus enabled by the cheapest calories ever produced.

It's not the one thing ...

[Shaved Monkey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '
').... you could see that the main reasons for vegan diet given are environmental ones.
I wonder if we could talk about those for a bit.