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Half of humanity to be in cities soon, U.N. says

Unread postby Ferretlover » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 14:11:46

Half of humanity to be in cities soon, U.N. says 'State of the World Population' report urges seeing migrants as assets Associated Press
LONDON - Some 3.3 billion people — more than half of humanity — will be living in cities by next year, according to a U.N. report released Wednesday. By 2030, cities will be home to close to 5 billion. Without proper planning, cities across the globe face the threat of overwhelming poverty, limited opportunities for youth, and religious extremism, U.N. Population Fund Executive Director Thoraya Ahmed Obaid told The Associated Press in London, where the report was released. "In 2008, half of the world's population will be in urban areas, and we are not ready for them," said Obaid, a U.N. undersecretary-general. Her agency's "State of the World Population 2007" report outlines the rate and scale of urban growth and calls for the policy initiatives to manage it. The agency found current policy initiatives often aim to keep the poor out of cities by limiting migration and cutting lower-income housing. "Cities see poor people as a burden," Obaid said. "They should be seen as an asset." ...
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Unread postby Munqi » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 06:27:34

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1.) Are we able to do this even if we stop producing biofuels?

2.) How much more can we produce?

3.) Is this the end of biofuels or will we choose driving over feeding the poor?
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Re: U.N.: 50 percent more food needed by 2030

Unread postby Cashmere » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 10:26:25

1.no
2.without oil, not more, less
3.biofuels is dead, you're watching the funeral
Massive Human Dieoff <b>must</b> occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where <b>you</b> live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Re: U.N.: 50 percent more food needed by 2030

Unread postby Munqi » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 11:41:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '1').no
2.without oil, not more, less
3.biofuels is dead, you're watching the funeral



2. If we forget peak oil for a second, would we then be able to meet that demand?

(My point is IF food production stays unharmed despite peak oil then will even that save us?)
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Re: U.N.: 50 percent more food needed by 2030

Unread postby Homesteader » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 12:20:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Munqi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '1').no
2.without oil, not more, less
3.biofuels is dead, you're watching the funeral



2. If we forget peak oil for a second, would we then be able to meet that demand?

(My point is IF food production stays unharmed despite peak oil then will even that save us?)


Highly doubtful to absolutely not due to climate change combined with degradation and loss of arable land.
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Re: U.N.: 50 percent more food needed by 2030

Unread postby MC2 » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 13:02:05

HAHA,

How about 50 per cent less people!
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Re: U.N.: 50 percent more food needed by 2030

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 13:09:24

50% more birth control.

http://www.populationconnection.org/
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Re: U.N.: 50 percent more food needed by 2030

Unread postby Twilight » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 13:17:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Munqi', '2'). If we forget peak oil for a second, would we then be able to meet that demand?

At that point, would the swing producers want to?
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Re: U.N.: 50 percent more food needed by 2030

Unread postby Munqi » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 13:50:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Munqi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '1').no
2.without oil, not more, less
3.biofuels is dead, you're watching the funeral



2. If we forget peak oil for a second, would we then be able to meet that demand?

(My point is IF food production stays unharmed despite peak oil then will even that save us?)


Highly doubtful to absolutely not due to climate change combined with degradation and loss of arable land.



But if nothing unexpected (this includes climate change) happens would we then be able to do it?


Scientists say that we'll reach a little ice age by 2040. Whether thats true or not i dont know but it could be, so i'll consider it a possiblity that it'll balance the effects of global warming.
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Re: U.N.: 50 percent more food needed by 2030

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 13:55:34

You can't win the Food Race.
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Re: U.N.: 50 percent more food needed by 2030

Unread postby Homesteader » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 16:59:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Munqi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Munqi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '1').no
2.without oil, not more, less
3.biofuels is dead, you're watching the funeral



2. If we forget peak oil for a second, would we then be able to meet that demand?

(My point is IF food production stays unharmed despite peak oil then will even that save us?)


Highly doubtful to absolutely not due to climate change combined with degradation and loss of arable land.




But if nothing unexpected (this includes climate change) happens would we then be able to do it?


Scientists say that we'll reach a little ice age by 2040. Whether thats true or not i dont know but it could be, so i'll consider it a possiblity that it'll balance the effects of global warming.


You overlooked "degradation and loss of arable land".

Anybody who still thinks climate change is going to be an "unexpected" event has their heads stuffed firmly up their butts so far it is well around the first turn. Why do you think mountain glaciers all over the world and the Arctic ice cap are melting?

It isn't some future event with a probability so low it is "unexpected", it is happening.

A asteroid hitting Earth tomorrow would be unexpected, at least for most of us.
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Re: U.N.: 50 percent more food needed by 2030

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 17:35:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '5')0% more birth control.

http://www.populationconnection.org/


We are in synchronicity on that one.
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Re: U.N.: 50 percent more food needed by 2030

Unread postby yeahbut » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 17:37:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '3').biofuels is dead, you're watching the funeral


Nope. Just because it's a bad idea doesn't mean it won't keep going.

UN summit

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')The US agriculture secretary, Ed Schafer, stirred controversy on the eve of the Rome summit with his defence of corn ethanol, arguing that biofuel production only contributed "2 to 3%" to the recent dramatic rise in global food prices.

He also repeated US claims that corn ethanol was "an efficient producer of energy" despite studies suggesting that it offered little or no environmental benefits over fossil fuels.


Given the history of farm subsidies in the US, I'm sure that one will run and run.
Brazil isn't about to stop it's biofuel programme, and I haven't heard about a slow down in the furious rate of planting of palms for palm oil (and the accompanying deforestation) either. Hold off on that eulogy for quite a while, I'd say.
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Re: U.N.: 50 percent more food needed by 2030

Unread postby NorseNomad » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 18:28:44

Yes, because population will continue to grow and grow and grow, etc. without limits. Saying anything else is politically incorrect!

But seriously, if we can't increase food production, the growth won't be there and we won't need 50% more food in 2030. UN are basing their numbers on a steadily increasing growth rate as if food would forever be abundant. They know that the population can't grow infinitely, but they can't go public with a realistic forecast in fear of mass panic and riots.

Currently, many countries have a horribly inefficient agriculture due to corruption and bad leadership, and could produce lots more food. The oil situation in the coming decades is however making a production increase doubtful.

As for biofuel, the current technology is meaningless, but it will hopefully be used as a stepping stone onto better technologies that let you efficiently extract ethanol from plant residues, not just the edible parts. Our current, wasteful, biofuel technology would be needed to develop the more efficient methods. This is coming from some of the researchers in the field, but I won't start holding my breath just yet.
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Re: U.N.: 50 percent more food needed by 2030

Unread postby Troyboy1208 » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 21:18:02

Oh man where is OF2 with his soothing articles.
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Re: U.N.: 50 percent more food needed by 2030

Unread postby copious.abundance » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 22:28:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Troyboy1208', 'O')h man where is OF2 with his soothing articles.

There is already another thread on practically this same topic.
Stuff for doomers to contemplate:
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1190117.html#p1190117
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1193930.html#p1193930
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1206767.html#p1206767
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Maliki may ask UN to kick US forces out of Iraq

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 23:46:04

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki raised the possibility that his country won't sign a status of forces of agreement with the United States and will ask U.S. troops to go home when their U.N. mandate to be in Iraq expires at the end of the year.

Maliki made the comment after weeks of complaints from Shiite Muslim lawmakers that U.S. proposals to govern a continued troop presence would infringe on Iraq's sovereignty.

"Iraq has another option that it may use," Maliki said during a visit to Amman, Jordan. "The Iraqi government, if it wants, has the right to demand that the U.N. terminate the presence of international forces on Iraqi sovereign soil."

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The Bush administration's Iraq policy suffered two major setbacks Friday when Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki publicly rejected key U.S. terms for an ongoing military presence and anti-American Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr called for a new militia offensive against U.S. forces.

During a visit to Jordan, Maliki said negotiations over initial U.S. proposals for bilateral political and military agreements had "reached a dead end." While he said talks would continue, his comments fueled doubts that the pacts could be reached this year, before the Dec. 31 expiration of a United Nations mandate sanctioning the U.S. role in Iraq.

Iraq has rejected allowing unilateral U.S. authority to conduct military operations and control nearly 60 bases, and to arrest and detain Iraqi citizens. Other provisions would have given the United States control over Iraqi airspace and borders and granted immunity to U.S. troops and civilian security contractors from Iraqi laws and prosecution.

The moves by two of Iraq's most powerful Shiite leaders underscore how the presence of U.S. troops has become a central issue for Iraqi politicians as they position themselves for provincial elections later this year. Iraqis across the political spectrum have grown intolerant of the U.S. presence, but the dominant Shiite parties -- including Maliki's Dawa party -- are especially fearful of an electoral challenge from new, grass-roots groups.

"All the politicians are trying to prove that they care more about Iraqis than they do about Americans -- otherwise they know the people and the voters will not support them," said Ala Maaki, a senior lawmaker with Iraqi's largest Sunni political party. "I think we could see al-Maliki and Moqtada Sadr trying to one-up the other today and see who can take the strongest stand against the Americans."

A text of Zebari's prepared remarks to the Security Council, provided by the Iraqi U.N. mission, included a call to "end [the U.S. presence] in our country" and a "call upon the international community to free Iraq" from U.S. control. Lines were drawn through those phrases, and they were left out of Zebari's statement as delivered. The expiration of the U.N. mandate, in force since May 2003, poses problems for Iraq beyond the security situation. U.N. resolutions -- and an executive order by President Bush -- protect Iraqi government funds from international legal claims dating from the Saddam Hussein era.

U.S. officials have denied reports that the administration has threatened to use the Iraqi money to pressure the Iraqi government. "At no time have we suggested that our interest in preserving Iraqi funds from attachment or other action within the U.S. . . . would be a lever or issue" in the negotiations, a senior U.S. official said.

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Re: Maliki may ask UN to kick US forces out of Iraq

Unread postby biofuel13 » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 00:37:39

Finally Iraqi's are showing some balls :o
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Re: Maliki may ask UN to kick US forces out of Iraq

Unread postby cipi604 » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 03:13:23

No can do!
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Re: Maliki may ask UN to kick US forces out of Iraq

Unread postby mos6507 » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 03:46:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('biofuel13', 'F')inally Iraqi's are showing some balls :o


Kind of destroys the argument that the Iraqi government are puppets of the US, though. In a strange way, if something like this happened it would be one way to claim "mission accomplished". If they want us out it means they're cool about handling things on their own. :)
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