[joelcolorado]

Will you apologize when it goes down like I said? If you have not BEEN over there you cannot imagine. Its not what we do that they hate us for, its what we stand for.

THey hate all western types of civilization as it threatens their absolute power over the ppl. THey have more money than any other countries yet their ppl live in stone age conditions. Where did all the money go?

[Toyota]

the corrupt leaders stall all the money!

America need to be kicked out of iraq!

We cannot steal oil like that!

[metalflake]

mazin

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')aliki may ask UN to kick US forces out of Iraq

[wisconsin_cur]

Via Drudge

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y Dean Yates

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki raised the prospect on Monday of setting a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops as part of negotiations over a new security agreement with Washington.

It was the first time the U.S.-backed Shi'ite-led government has floated the idea of a timetable for the removal of American forces from Iraq. The Bush administration has always opposed such a move, saying it would give militant groups an advantage.

In a statement, Maliki's office said the prime minister made the comments about the security pact -- which will replace a U.N. mandate for the presence of U.S. troops that expires on December 31 -- to Arab ambassadors in the United Arab Emirates.

"In all cases, the basis for any agreement will be respect for the full sovereignty of Iraq," the statement quoted Maliki as saying.

[gmin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joelcolorado', 'I') love to hear the left and other democratic friends of mine yelling about getting out of Iraq then complaining bout the cost of gas.

[joelcolorado]

Iknow. but wait til we have no overseas presence. They will put it to us then. Its okay with me. I dont really care what they do.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')aliki may ask UN to kick US forces out of Iraq

[Graeme]

A 'Green New Deal' can save the world's economy, says UN

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')op economists and United Nations leaders are working on a "Green New Deal" to create millions of jobs, revive the world economy, slash poverty and avert environmental disaster, as the financial markets plunge into their deepest crisis since the Great Depression.


The ambitious plan – the start of which will be formally launched in London next week - will call on world leaders, including the new US President, to promote a massive redirection of investment away from the speculation that has caused the bursting “financial and housing bubbles” and into job-creating programmes to restore the natural systems that underpin the world economy.

It aims to convince them that, far from restricting growth, healing the global environment will be a desperately -needed driving force behind it.

The Green Economy Initiative - which will be spearheaded by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), headquartered here, and is already being backed by governments – draws its inspiration from Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, which ended the 1930s depression and helped set up the world economy for the unprecedented growth of the second half of the 20th century.

[something_awfull]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')op economists and United Nations leaders are working on a "Green New Deal" to create millions of jobs, revive the world economy, slash poverty and avert environmental disaster, as the financial markets plunge into their deepest crisis since the Great Depression.

[seldom_seen]

A Soylent Green new deal?

[Carlhole]

My Interview with George Soros: End of Financial Crisis Could Be in Sight

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HuffPo', '.')..But then, I'm afraid, there is the fallout in the real economy, which is now gathering momentum. At this point, repairing the financial system will not stop a severe worldwide recession. Since, under this circumstance the U.S. consumer can no longer serve as the motor of the world economy, the U.S. government must stimulate demand. Because we face the menacing challenges of global warming and energy dependence, the next administration should direct any stimulus plan toward energy savings, developing alternative energy sources and building green infrastructure. This stimulus can be the new motor for the world economy.

Gardels: At the end of the day, won't we be looking at a vastly different global financial landscape? The U.S. will decline as the top power. It will have, along with parts of Europe, socialized banks and loads of debt. Communist China will be the new financial power globally, flush with capital and a major investor in the West.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'S')ounds like the elites have their talking points. It's going to be a green New Deal.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The Green Economy Initiative - which will be spearheaded by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), headquartered here, and is already being backed by governments – draws its inspiration from Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, which ended the 1930s depression and helped set up the world economy for the unprecedented growth of the second half of the 20th century.

[iogan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The Green Economy Initiative - which will be spearheaded by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), headquartered here, and is already being backed by governments – draws its inspiration from Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, which ended the 1930s depression and helped set up the world economy for the unprecedented growth of the second half of the 20th century.

[Carlhole]

The causes of the Great Depression - which was a global downturn - are much debated. But most economic historians blame the Federal Reserve's policies in the boom times of the 20's, The Fed's actions after the stock market crash, and its policies during the 1930's.

The Federal Reserve controls America's monetary policy - NOT the Executive or Legislative branches of government. Monetary policy was NOT thought to be in error until Keynes' The General Theory came out in 1936:

The Great Depression

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wiki', '[')b]Keynesian models

In the early 1930s, before John Maynard Keynes wrote The General Theory, he was advocating public works programs and deficits as a way to get the British economy out of the Depression. Although Keynes never mentions fiscal policy in The General Theory, and instead advocates the need to socialize investments, Keynes ushered in more of a theoretical revolution than a policy one. His basic idea was simple: to keep people fully employed, governments have to run deficits when the economy is slowing because the private sector will not invest enough to increase production and reverse the recession.

As the Depression wore on, Roosevelt tried public works, farm subsidies, and other devices to restart the economy, but never completely gave up trying to balance the budget. According to the Keynesians, he needed to spend much more money; they were unable to say how much more.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The Green Economy Initiative - which will be spearheaded by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), headquartered here, and is already being backed by governments – draws its inspiration from Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, which ended the 1930s depression and helped set up the world economy for the unprecedented growth of the second half of the 20th century.

[IgnoranceIsBliss]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'S')ounds like the elites have their talking points. It's going to be a green New Deal.

[Revi]

I think a green new deal is just what we need. I think we have a chance if Obama gets in there. He already has the idea of Green collar jobs out there. It could work. We'll see...

[Cabrone]

If we had a global green new deal I'd like to see:

1. Large scale labour mobilisation to kick start a global reforestation program.
2. Large scale labour mobilisation into agriculture (we are going to need lots of people when the hydrocarbons run down).
3. Global education programmes to teach everyone about
> Domestic food production (gardens are going to have to change from being 'ornamental' to being productive).
> Energy awareness, we waste ridiculous amounts of the stuff, it has to be dramatically curtailed.

These are all initiatives that an individual could take part in.

From a more corporate angle I want to see a massive drive towards renewables (which could easily cover our needs if we only got off our collective ass and made it happen).

If the clowns that run this show can pump hundreds of billions of $$ into a bunch of failed banks then it's time they started to pump equivalent sums into setting up systems that may just get us out of this hole (hopefully).