[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', 'I') call this recognizing the root problem.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'O')ur alimentary anatomy (short stomach, long intestines), metabolism (insulin pathways), nutritional demands (CLA's etc.), dentition (incisors, canines), paleontological evidence et. al. all tells us we are carnivores.

Industrial grain-based confinement meat production is an environmental and healthy calamity. But there is no chance for local agriculture, because we have covered it up with sprawl.

Solution none.

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'e')astbay, Refined starches, simple carbohydrates, and sugars are responsible for modern nutritional problems, not meat.

[mattduke]

"No meat? I will make you some lamb." I went vegetarian for a while. My joints started to hurt.

[2cher]

If someone tries to take away my cow, I am going to take away their life and you can take that to the bank!!!

Veganism is for pussies

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('2cher', 'I')f someone tries to take away my cow, I am going to take away their life and you can take that to the bank!!!

Veganism is for pussies

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'c')arnivorous humans

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', 'R')egarding vegans...you don't know much since you likely have no experience with the diet, and you are only telling me your PERCEPTIONS of vegans you've known. Perhaps, you are jealous because you have neither the discipline nor the stamina to refrain from eating certain foods you are addicted to.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'I')f you're genuinely interested in health rather than ideology, I'd recommend you spend some time at http://www.beyondveg.com/ . Don't bother tho' if you're not willing to have your beliefs seriously challenged...

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')beyondveg is a little reactionary (to put it mildly), picking on easy targets & is as guilty of ideology as the most wet behind the ears new vegan. I know the site well.

[billg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', '
')The Lungs of the Earth (The Amazon) are being sliced and diced due to the need for more land to raise cattle to satisfy man's rapacious hunger for bovine flesh and fluid.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')beyondveg is a little reactionary (to put it mildly), picking on easy targets & is as guilty of ideology as the most wet behind the ears new vegan. I know the site well.

[dsula]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', 'W')e're talking slow transition to reasonable population numbers.

[billg]

yeah...things still die with a vegan diet...in fact i just stabbed a baby snake to death with a pitchfork a couple days ago when collecting leaves from a leaf pile. but this isn't too usual... i haven't see too many higher order animals get killed during my last 10 years of the gardening/farming work (granted i'm not accounting for habitat loss from deforestation). i'm sure there are a lot more wildlife deaths with big machinery on larger scale organic farms, but at least the wildlife had been thriving in those fields up until their deaths. the brutality of the factory animal farms is much worse...those animals are pretty much tortured from day one and then they get finished off in the horrifying slaughterhouses.

questions about the ethics of killing aside, let me remind...this report is about the SUSTAINABILITY of a high meat/dairy diet given the reality of 6.7+ billion people living on this planet.

are you more special than the other 6.7 billion souls on this planet? would you be OK with them eating the same amount of meat and dairy that you do? think about the consequences of your lifestyle times 6.7 billion.

[billg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', 'W')e're talking slow transition to reasonable population numbers.

[dsula]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', 'W')ishing for population reduction to justify your diet is PURE fantasy...the best you can do is limit your own offspring and encourage others to do likewise. If you want die-off, you better be willing to die-off yourself.

[billg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', 'y')eah...things still die with a vegan diet...in fact i just stabbed a baby snake to death with a pitchfork a couple days ago when collecting leaves from a leaf pile. but this isn't too usual... i haven't see too many higher order animals get killed during my last 10 years of the gardening/farming work (granted i'm not accounting for habitat loss from deforestation).

[billg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', 'W')ishing for population reduction to justify your diet is PURE fantasy...the best you can do is limit your own offspring and encourage others to do likewise. If you want die-off, you better be willing to die-off yourself.

[Gerben]

I am working to help stabilize the population by avoiding eating vegetation (and as much meat as possible instead). A stable population will slow down climate change and resource depletion. What have you done to help the world lately?