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Re: Import methane from Jupiter?

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 01:06:12

Really people, some of the most absurd things I have read in the peakoil.com forums can be found in the replies to my initial article. I remain steadfastly committed to the very real and plausible possibilities of space based economic and energy resources.

All the pessimism, all the end of society talk, all the propaganda in the world; will not hide the truth that there are essentially unlimited sources of energy in space. All the 'it can't be done' or 'its too late -were all terminally doomed by peak oil' is just scaremongering.

Choices can be made. New and innovative approaches can be found. Hate and pessimism can be ignored. Society can reject doomsayers and make real progress on issues of concern. Last but not least, as long as people are willing to put their pants on and go to work each morning to better themselves and their families and societies, progress will be made!

Hard work, preserverance and persistance will eventually triumph over all hardships.
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Re: Import methane from Jupiter?

Unread postby jato » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 13:04:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')paceships don't run on oil.


While the Apollo Program's Saturn V first stage (S-IC) may not technically be a "space ship", it did burn 770,000 liters (203,412 gallons) of RP-1 fuel in 150 seconds. RP-1 fuel is a highly refined form of kerosene (oil product).
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Re: Import methane from Jupiter?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 14:05:27

There won't be any space truckers stopping in space truck stops for space coffee and tips on where the space cops have set up speed traps as they drive space tankers back and forth to Jupiter.

Instead, we'll send a packages of nanobots to the moon named Titan. The nanobots will be programmed to build launch sites and launch packets of hydrocarbons to where ever we need them in the solar system. There are hydrocarbon lakes on Titan. Titan has a small gravity well. The nanobots will collect hydrocarbons, freeze them into solid packages and send a series of packages once a month or so The packets of hydrocabons would slowly travel entirely under their own momentum after they are launched towards the center of the solar system. We'll collect the frozen packets as they approach Earth or Mars.

We'll use them to terraform Mars, fuel L5 stations or bases in the asteroid belt, etc.

Of course, we'll still have space battles with the space pirates who are trying to kill us with their space swords. :P
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Re: Import methane from Jupiter?

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 14:06:49

I still say it more economically feasible to powers our cars with Africans
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Re: Import methane from Jupiter?

Unread postby bodigami » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 17:10:59

methane is worst than CO2 for climate change, are you insane?
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Re: Import methane from Jupiter?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 17:38:39

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EARTHLINGS!!!! We will fight you to last drop of Jovian ichor to protect our precious Methane from your rapacious evil nanobot miners!!!!!
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Re: Import methane from Jupiter?

Unread postby SolarDave » Sat 17 Nov 2007, 01:28:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'R')eally people, some of the most absurd things I have read in the peakoil.com forums can be found in the replies to my initial article. I remain steadfastly committed to the very real and plausible possibilities of space based economic and energy resources.

All the pessimism, all the end of society talk, all the propaganda in the world; will not hide the truth that there are essentially unlimited sources of energy in space. All the 'it can't be done' or 'its too late -were all terminally doomed by peak oil' is just scaremongering.

Choices can be made. New and innovative approaches can be found. Hate and pessimism can be ignored. Society can reject doomsayers and make real progress on issues of concern. Last but not least, as long as people are willing to put their pants on and go to work each morning to better themselves and their families and societies, progress will be made!

Hard work, preserverance and persistance will eventually triumph over all hardships.
You are really serious? In the many years since your posted the original thought you have learned nothing about EROEI, net energy, the law of receding horizons?

Don't you understand? The cost in energy to cart the extraterrestrial energy to the earth would exceed the energy contained in the methane.

Peak oil is occurring right now and we have never been back to the moon.

you are a space troll? yes?


Pstarr, I think you are being a little too harsh.

I was fiddling with This Equation using my ancient copy of MultiPlan on my TRS80 and I think we are overlooking something - the Zero-Energy potential of Lagrange Point trajectories! According to This Article we could easily move a Methane tanker the size of Mars between here and Jupiter using no energy at all!

Once the minor details are worked out, I think this idea has potential.

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Re: Import methane from Jupiter?

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sat 17 Nov 2007, 01:36:58

I don't advocate importing from Jupiter, pay no mind to my moniker. :o
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Re: Import methane from Jupiter?

Unread postby frankthetank » Sat 17 Nov 2007, 03:56:57

Lets do it. Lets import the methane from Jupiter. There is BY far enough BRAIN power on this forum alone to get it done. I bet will power alone will get us half way there!!!


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Re: Import methane from Jupiter?

Unread postby Jack » Sat 17 Nov 2007, 14:54:42

Ahh, yes. The resurrection of the methane from Jupiter thread.

And people ask me why I'm a doomer.
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Re: Import methane from Jupiter?

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Sat 17 Nov 2007, 15:27:56

o my god! The cornies have saved the day again. methane from jupiter... why didn't i think of that. We're saved! Peak oil has been cured!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Import methane from Jupiter?

Unread postby jato » Sun 18 Nov 2007, 22:04:15

Where do we get the extra oxygen from to burn the extra methane?
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Re: Import methane from Jupiter?

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 18 Nov 2007, 22:17:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', 'W')here do we get the extra oxygen from to burn the extra methane?


OK that does it, the only thing dumber than trying to import Methane from Jupiter is worrying about running out of oxygen for combusting it if you did.
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Re: Import methane from Jupiter?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Sun 18 Nov 2007, 23:18:52

You mean bringing methane from Jupiter is not a plausible idea?

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Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth

Unread postby TheDude » Wed 13 Feb 2008, 23:20:34

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The new findings from the study led by Ralph Lorenz, Cassini radar team member from the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, USA, are reported in the 29 January 2008 issue of the Geophysical Research Letters.
"Titan is just covered in carbon-bearing material—it’s a giant factory of organic chemicals," said Lorenz. “This vast carbon inventory is an important window into the geology and climate history of Titan.”

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Proven reserves of natural gas on Earth total 130 thousand million tons, enough to provide 300 times the amount of energy the entire United States uses annually for residential heating, cooling and lighting. Dozens of Titan's lakes individually have the equivalent of at least this much energy in the form of methane and ethane.

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Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth

Unread postby Nicholai » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 00:07:36

Dude you gotta get your head checked
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Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 00:40:39

Hehehe Nicholai, I think the Dude is being ironic. :lol:

* First hydrocarbons on Titan are definitely out of reach, so I think he's joking about the rockets.

* Also it's funny because Abiotic oilers think the earth is filled with a creamy nugget of oil and they cite Titan as proof. The truth is though, our oil has biological remnants in it and the hydrocarbons on Titan are the result of simpler processes. The only thing the abiotic-oilers prove by mentioning titan is we aren't the only ones with carbon on our planet, not really a shocking or an important fact. It's like pointing out all the hydrogen in Jupiter... :roll:
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Re: Titan's surface organics surpass oil reserves on Earth

Unread postby heroineworshipper » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 00:52:35

Hopefully China can get their spaceship oil tankers going so we don't have to send an army over there to force them.
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