[whereagles]

Are we alone in the universe?

For recent ideas on the subject, check this:

http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0308078
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0605096

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('untothislast', 'B')art's robot friend has taken leave of his senses.

We OWE it to the rest of the universe, not to export our addled and exploitative value system away from the planet which gave it birth. It needs to die here.

Otherwise, it's called metastasis.

[Atlantean_Relic]

Okay my head hurts, If what the first scientist said is true how do we even know anything we observe in space is real? What if all that dark matter we don't see is just star they decided to hide? It would also mean that the brane model is just what ET want us to believe. Okay how is this any less silly than the gods of old???

[AtmaStorm]

Space, eh?

Untothislast is right; metastasis.
If we want to survive, we need to change ourselves.

BTW, Plant don't turn CO2 into O2. They actually split the water molecule and release O2 that way. You can read about it on wikipedia in photosynthesis.

Terraforming Mars: Here's an idea! Let try earth! Yeah!

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('arretium', 'S')o what is the brane world scenario?


I googled it and read enough to realize I needed someone to help explain it to me. Anyone know anything about this topic that can provide information in layman's terms?

[grabby]

Mutations are almost always bad in the last 2000 years all observable mutations have damaged and limited the organism.
It is a false premise that says mutations are good, it is non scientific an undemonstrable.

If you have 2 million line code in windows and you randomly go in and change ONE BYTE ANYWHERE

it will far more likely to be bad good.

you will not get a new subroutine that calculates pi.

you will get a subroutine that crashes.
so with humans

the mutation to improve humans is false.

2. Radiation in deep space is deadly. cosmic rays are plentiful
yo would not survive to the stars.

Lead in space? that oughta be good for acceleration.

you C CANNOT GO TO THE STARS ON FUSION!
It is a mathematical impossibility.

antimatter is the only option and you wont see it in our era.
ergo after peak there is no more star attempts.


with reactive engines? (shooting matter or light out the back)
with a nice heavy ship youll go no where.

those who think we are going to the stars are wrong.1. we are not going to the stars.
2. Harry putter is not real
3. Star trek is a fantasy designed to sell gillete shaving blades.

wake up your about to run out of il.

going to space will save nothing.

3. Food mutations are never good. When the astronauts came back from the moon they isolated them for 2weeks and sterilized them so no plant mutation would WIPE OUT THE PlANET FOOD CHAIN they undserstood.

now that moonsanta is randomly mutating AND PLANTING plants without knowing what will happen this is GOOD?
mankind has a high likelihood of neutralizing our food supply and killing us.

[grabby]

there is an old joke telling about a drunkard who was finally weakening and vomiting blood. His wife convinces him to see the doctor and after a few tests, the doctor say, "Harry, your going to have to give up drinking or die!"
Harry says"Ok, doc."
On the way hom, his wife asks, "What did the doctor say, Harry?"
Harry says,," I'm gonna die."


hawking says if we don't go to the stars we are going to die.
Well, we are not going to the stars with these bodies susceptible to radiation and disease.

Hawking does have a clue on the final outcome for most of us though.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('whereagles', 'A')re we alone in the universe?

For recent ideas on the subject, check this:

http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0308078
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0605096

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', 't')here is an old joke telling about a drunkard who was finally weakening and vomiting blood. His wife convinces him to see the doctor and after a few tests, the doctor say, "Harry, your going to have to give up drinking or die!"
Harry says"Ok, doc."
On the way hom, his wife asks, "What did the doctor say, Harry?"
Harry says,," I'm gonna die."


hawking says if we don't go to the stars we are going to die.
Well, we are not going to the stars.

Hawking does have a clue on our final outcome though.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'M')onteQuest,
Not necessarily so ignorant.

[FireJack]

Space elevators are one thing that could allow us to really explore space. Not only would it be cheap you could take things into space that could not possibly survive a lunch. Then you could build ships in space, ones that would not have to be designed to launch from the ground. Heavy equipment and size would not be such a problem.

Wether or not nanotechnolgy ever really gets a start is the problem though, even if it does there is no garentee it will save us from resource depletion etc.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', 'M')utations are almost always bad in the last 2000 years all observable mutations have damaged and limited the organism.
It is a false premise that says mutations are good, it is non scientific an undemonstrable.

If you have 2 million line code in windows and you randomly go in and change ONE BYTE ANYWHERE

it will far more likely to be bad good.

you will not get a new subroutine that calculates pi.

you will get a subroutine that crashes.
so with humans

the mutation to improve humans is false.

2. Radiation in deep space is deadly. cosmic rays are plentiful
yo would not survive to the stars.

Lead in space? that oughta be good for acceleration.

you C CANNOT GO TO THE STARS ON FUSION!
It is a mathematical impossibility.

antimatter is the only option and you wont see it in our era.
ergo after peak there is no more star attempts.


with reactive engines? (shooting matter or light out the back)
with a nice heavy ship youll go no where.

those who think we are going to the stars are wrong.1. we are not going to the stars.
2. Harry putter is not real
3. Star trek is a fantasy designed to sell gillete shaving blades.

wake up your about to run out of il.

going to space will save nothing.

3. Food mutations are never good. When the astronauts came back from the moon they isolated them for 2weeks and sterilized them so no plant mutation would WIPE OUT THE PlANET FOOD CHAIN they undserstood.

now that moonsanta is randomly mutating AND PLANTING plants without knowing what will happen this is GOOD?
mankind has a high likelihood of neutralizing our food supply and killing us.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'M')onteQuest,
Not necessarily so ignorant.

[Windmills]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', 'M')utations are almost always bad in the last 2000 years all observable mutations have damaged and limited the organism.
It is a false premise that says mutations are good, it is non scientific an undemonstrable.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'M')onteQuest,
Not necessarily so ignorant.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'M')onteQuest,
Not necessarily so ignorant.

[gigacannon]

You've got to understand, nothing that we can do to the Earth can make it any less habitable than outer space. Hawking wasn't talking about peak oil at all, unless you consider nuclear war to necessarily be a symptom of peak oil. He meant that we are currently dependent on a single planet, that is susceptible, individually, to disaster. The more planets we spread to... the more chance the human genome has of surviving.

There are plenty of resources in outer space. If you can devise a means of fabricating custom components in outer space, fabricate rocket fuel and provide air and water for people, then everything is set for the cheap expansion into space (once you get up there).

Don't forget that the planet Titan (a natural satellite of Saturn) is actually made of natural gas. It's possible that the planet has its own reserves of abiotic oil. It's a shame that it's so far away... only when industry has been set up in space can we even think about shipping oil and gas from Titan.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', ' ')That sounds like kind of religion.
As long as I am concerned Mother Nature is a chemistry and God does not exist.
Could you prove otherwise?

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', ' ')That sounds like kind of religion.
As long as I am concerned Mother Nature is a chemistry and God does not exist.
Could you prove otherwise?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', ' ')However if you want go down this avenue biology (and chemistry as well) are all physics on the end.

Nothing mysterious in Mother Nature.