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Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 20 Jun 2025, 07:28:33

“These projects failed to meet the economic, national security or energy security standards necessary to sustain DOE’s investment, and taxpayers should not be forced to subsidize them,”
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')nergy Secretary Chris Wright justified the termination of 24 energy projects allocated $3.7 billion by Congress, during a Senate panel on Wednesday. Wright said the clawbacks were the first round of scrutiny by a newly created review board that is probing 500 authorized ventures set to receive $300 billion in funding through 2032.
Wright said among the first things he did after his January confirmation was ferret through projects set to receive IRA-authorized funding through DOE’s Loan Program Office. “It’s deeply concerning how many billions of dollars were rushed out the door without proper due diligence in the final days of the Biden administration,” he said. DOE “shoveled out more than $100 billion … between Election Day and [Trump’s Jan. 20] inauguration.”

He cited several projects that provided little justification for federal funding, including one slated to receive $2.5 million but then sought, and garnered, $200 million without completing paperwork.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/energy ... ks-5875226

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Unread postby AdamB » Fri 20 Jun 2025, 21:06:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')These projects failed to meet the economic, national security or energy security standards necessary to sustain DOE’s investment, and more importantly, the Orange Clown told us to say this and then do it. ”

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Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 29 Jul 2025, 04:54:38

Remember: Solar thermal is now often referred to as concentrated solar power (CSP)
Just as Residential Mortgage backed securities are now referred to as bank Bonds.
Because if something fails utterly and takes hundreds of billions down the drain with it, you have to rebrand it else how will you ever pull the same swindle 5 years later?

https://www.fprenergy.com.au/ is one company trying to suck investors into this dead end and there will be others no doubt. It's just too good a scam to let go.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')PR Energy's CST technology captures solar energy using heliostats to heat inert ceramic particles. These particles store energy for on-demand industrial heat or electricity generation creating a continuous, efficient energy cycle. Our system is proven at 850°C, with 1200°C readily achievable.


Ahhh, no moving parts this time? No, they move, to silos, for storage. It's all very secret squirrel it seems, the webpage doesn't go into detail, just like all those sites promoting quantum computing. It's a matter of faith you see. Just Believe, and invest, and the future is your oyster. Or something like that.


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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'R')emember: Solar thermal is now often referred to as concentrated solar power (CSP)

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Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 29 Jul 2025, 19:57:08

The “Energy Transition” Delusion A Reality Reset

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')lobal economies are facing a potential energy shock—the third such shock of the past half century. Energy costs and security have returned to center stage, as has the realization that the world remains deeply dependent on reliable supplies of petroleum, natural gas, and coal. And all this has arrived during an inflation itself partially the result of higher energy prices that are raising production and transportation costs across industries.

Note: "are facing a potential energy shock" Not in the middle of one. Those that ignore these realities are like people looking out their windows and seeing clear sky's and feeling content, even though a Hurricane has been forecast to hit their town (there is a lot of that :roll: )
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n these circumstances, policymakers are beginning to grasp the enormous difficulty of replacing even a mere 10% share of global hydrocarbons—the share supplied by Russia—never mind the impossibility of trying to replace all of society’s use of hydrocarbons with solar, wind, and battery (SWB) technologies. Two decades of aspirational policies and trillions of dollars in spending, most of it on SWB tech, have not yielded an “energy transition” that eliminates hydrocarbons. Regardless of climate-inspired motivations, it is a dangerous delusion to believe that spending yet more, and more quickly, will do so. The lessons of the recent decade make it clear that SWB technologies cannot be surged in times of need, are neither inherently “clean” nor even independent of hydrocarbons, and are not cheap.

A good 3 year old article outlining the dilemma, but then it goes off track?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he only path to significantly lower energy prices while maintaining vibrant economies—and unlinking them from Russian oil and natural gas—is to radically increase the production of hydrocarbons. The U.S. holds the greatest potential for achieving this outcome, and without government subsidies. On the contrary: increasing the production of these energy sources would generate government revenues, increase U.S. geopolitical soft power, and, in due course, save the world trillions of dollars.

America’s hydrocarbon-centric industries could, if unleashed, replicate the unprecedented growth in oil and natural gas production over the past 15 years. That growth resulted in the U.S. becoming the world’s biggest producer and a major exporter of both. The crucial question now is whether America has the political will to forge an energy path based on the lessons learned and the urgencies of the new geopolitical landscape.
https://manhattan.institute/article/the ... n-delusion

I can't believe the author is so stupid? He points to the fact that Russia is in control because of its vast conventional oil reserves then talks about America holding the greatest potential due to its unconventional reserves, the rabid exploitation of which has gotten the nation, absolutely Nowhere.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')merica’s hydrocarbon-centric industries could, if unleashed, replicate the unprecedented growth in oil and natural gas production over the past 15 years.

Yes, replicate nothing. Like a drowning man treading water :roll:

These American's are always looking for a way to wriggle out of reality, "We are the greatest nation on Earth Blah Blah Blah." No your not, you're just the empire fading from sight, like a once proud ship sinking below the waves. Admit that and you can begin to make something out of what you have left.
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Re: THE Solar Thermal Energy Thread (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 29 Sep 2025, 15:24:14

Obama-Era Mojave Desert Solar Plant Once Hailed As A Marvel Will Close As A Glowing Relic

America is just a series of bubbles that burst and leave ruin and poverty in their wake.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') little more than a decade ago, the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System opened to great fanfare, with a $1.6 billion loan guarantee from the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE)—part of the Obama administration’s push to install green energy production on public lands—and a promise to help California meet its increasingly ambitious decarbonization goals. It nearly doubled the amount of solar thermal energy then produced in the United States, according to the DOE.

Originally, the project had an estimated operational life of 50 years, according to the final environmental impact statement. Its two buyers, Southern California Edison and Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E), had purchase agreements through 2039. Now, Edison has pulled out of its contract, and Ivanpah is set to close... ”To save money for our customers, Southern California Edison has agreed to stop buying electricity from the Ivanpah Solar Power Plant,” Jeff Monford, a spokesperson for the utility, told The Epoch Times.

For-profit utilities have reason to fear customer revolt over soaring electricity prices. California has the second-highest in the country, after Hawaii, and is approving more rate hikes to compensate for fire safety, aging infrastructure, and demands on the grid.
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/obama- ... wing-relic

The US grid is collapsing, just like South Africa's. All the western nation's grids will follow suit, all those that don't have abundant cheap energy still. Alas America's flirtation with Shale oil and Gas was just another bubble, uneconomic source-rock. We have as much and more probably up here in Australia, but we weren't Stupid enough to go after it, aside from a little Gas that was practical. It's a financial dead end, an environmental disaster, and no solution to the decline from PeakOil.
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Unread postby AdamB » Mon 29 Sep 2025, 22:15:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')merica’s hydrocarbon-centric industries could, if unleashed, replicate the unprecedented growth in oil and natural gas production over the past 15 years.

Yes, replicate nothing. Like a drowning man treading water :roll:


Us The World's Largest Producer of Oil. Ever.

You mean...drowning the rest of the world in oil.

They are called numbers. They can demonstrate you know things. You can't even use them. Let us know when your country drills more oil than a small American company or another.

10 guys and a drilling rig in America can about make your entire country look pathetic. America has been the world's largest oil producer on multiple occasions. Australia has aways been irrelevant in oil production.

Your jealousy is quite interesting I might add.
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Re: THE Solar Thermal Energy Thread (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 07 Oct 2025, 16:04:59

Spain's solar industry warns of price threat to energy transition

I went to search up current news on Spain's solar thermal systems. More fool me, *crickets*
That was last decade, it's dead. It's all PV now but not all roses. Go look at the chart of installed thermal capacity, one mouse roll down. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_Spain

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ADRID (Reuters) -Spain this year has clocked a growing number of hours with solar power prices at zero or even negative levels, which arise when supply exceeds demand and producers need to pay to offload power or stop plants, industry group UNEF said on Tuesday, a trend that could compromise the country's green energy shift.

Between January and September this year, solar power producers faced 693 hours of negative or zero power prices, reaching the total for last year, UNEF said. "This issue, along with low and unstable capture prices show that reforms of electricity prices are urgent," said UNEF head Jose Donoso, referring to the average price per megawatt-hour solar power producers receive for the electricity sold in the market.

WHY IT IS IMPORTANT

Spain has set ambitious targets in its climate and energy plan. The warning comes as the country needs to speed up the rollout of renewables projects to meet such goals.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/spain ... X19OOaKPmV

"ambitious targets", "rollout of renewables" Who bribed them to install all this shit is what I want to know? The corporations doing the build no doubt. And the end result, HIGHER PRICES because of them. What a total cockup. Those wop countries are just as corrupt as America or Mexico, just because they are on the other side of the Atlantic doesn't make them immune. In fact they are more so typically. Italy is basically controlled by the mafia, Egypt by a military junta. What am I raving about here? Dead empires is what. Whether 3000 years old, 2000 years old, or 400 years. They are all the same; degenerate, corrupt, and full of people who still believe they are the greatest. France is another, as is "Great" Britain.

All those solar panels and associated infrastructure, 20-25 year lifespan, and they are useless already :roll: Cornufuckingcopians who believed all this shit should be taken out and flogged in the street, with signs over them saying "This is what we do to Stupid People." Stupid to believe in The GREAT Energy transition, a simple days investigation showed me it was bullshit from the start. You can't take Oil and Coal and build anything that will return more power than the Oil and Coal had in the first place. That's a perpetual motion machine basically. And they don't exist except in peoples' imaginations. And on top of that you get LOSSES, yes, that's a fact of the laws of thermodynamics. Well it's OVER, so wake the fuck up and stop dreaming about floating cities and moon bases for tourism ok. Start buying candles because you'll need them in the decades to come.

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I am soooo freakin angry about the NV Energy new billing system.

I know everyone is hurting in this economy right now, i feel like this kind of stuff makes me even more angry about living in vegas or in America in general.. basic living should not be nickel and dime.. how do you guys feel? Are there anything we can do in this community?!

Everyone needs to call their elected leaders and get every level of government to intervene on this one. :roll:

Warren Buffett who owns a huge share of NV energy spent like 69 million on ads to confuse us about it.

Bill with solar went from 19$ to $130 this month

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Unread postby mousepad » Wed 08 Oct 2025, 07:24:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', ' ')Stupid to believe in The GREAT Energy transition,

The stupid part is not the idea of transitioning to green energy, but the idea that the transition will have no effect on BAU.
There are numerous issues with burning fossil fuel. It's a good idea to not burn them.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
') a simple days investigation showed me it was bullshit from the start. You can't take Oil and Coal and build anything that will return more power than the Oil and Coal had in the first place.

why not? investing some energy to get more back is the basic premise of life

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')[i]I know everyone is hurting in this economy right now, i feel like this kind of stuff makes me even more angry about living in vegas or in America in general.. basic living should not be nickel and dime..

yeah, the cry babies. What is basic living? Big screen TV? Central AC? Washer, dryer? latest iphone?
If you're healthy and in the US and you can't pay your bills, the problem is you.
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Re: THE Solar Thermal Energy Thread (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 08 Oct 2025, 19:44:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', ' ')Stupid to believe in The GREAT Energy transition,

The stupid part is not the idea of transitioning to green energy, but the idea that the transition will have no effect on BAU.
There are numerous issues with burning fossil fuel. It's a good idea to not burn them.


Ahhh, so when did you realize that a transition to large scale solar would have a negative effect on BAU? All the BS media I have read for the past decade claimed it would have a positive effect, cheaper prices in fact. It was the solution remember.

As for your " numerous issues with burning fossil fuel." Where do think solar panels come from in the first place, do you believe they grow on trees? They grow in Chinese factories for the most part mp, consuming mountains of coal and mountains of Diesel oil in subsequent shipping. That's after all the open cut mining and refining of course.

It never ceases to amaze me how you cornucopians conveniently ignore the fossil fuel burning that goes into making your treasured little solutions. Well you're in for a rude shock, because in a couple of decades they will all be junk on the tip site and the oil may not be available to replace them.

Crawl back into your hole.
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Unread postby mousepad » Thu 09 Oct 2025, 07:07:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Ahhh, so when did you realize that a transition to large scale solar would have a negative effect on BAU? All the BS media I have read for the past decade claimed it would have a positive effect, cheaper prices in fact. It was the solution remember.

From the very beginning. You might remember scuffles I had with kub on that issue. Him presenting numerous libtard university papers showing smooth sailing while dismissing any paper claiming the opposite as biased.
But then again you're also the guy who mistook me as being an australian. So I'm not quite sure you're memory is much good.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')As for your " numerous issues with burning fossil fuel." Where do think solar panels come from in the first place, do you believe they grow on trees? They grow in Chinese factories for the most part mp, consuming mountains of coal and mountains of Diesel oil in subsequent shipping. That's after all the open cut mining and refining of course.

Never I mentioned solar panels in my original post. I said burning fossil fuel is a bad idea and going to renewables is a good idea. Did you know that there's also low tech options?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')It never ceases to amaze me how you cornucopians conveniently ignore the fossil fuel burning that goes into making your treasured little solutions. Well you're in for a rude shock, because in a couple of decades they will all be junk on the tip site and the oil may not be available to replace them.

Right back at you. It never ceases to amaze me how doomers conveniently claim doom in a couple of decades. The last 2005 oil peak. It's now a couple of decades later and world is still humming along. Heck there's so much oil that Vladimir and Volodymyr can waste plenty of it on their little powwow. There's so much oil that every year europe is flooded by tourists flying in from every corner of the world. I would expect decline in tourism to be one of the first signs of trouble. But number of passengers is climbing and climbing.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Crawl back into your hole.

Ponder different opinions. Don't just believe yours. Wonder why doom is not here, wonder why your narrative doesn't match reality, wonder if some symptoms you claim being signs of doom might be explained differently.
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Re: THE Solar Thermal Energy Thread (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 09 Oct 2025, 09:50:57

Nah, piss off mp, I'm done with your BS, can't take you seriously anymore. You're no different to the rest of the dreamers here, swallowing every Lie, Dreaming of a future of peaches and cream. Enjoy you're delusions while you can.



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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'N')ah, piss off mp, I'm done with your BS, can't take you seriously anymore.


Crazy. So much bitterness just because your doom ain't arriving on time.
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Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 09 Oct 2025, 21:36:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'N')ah, piss off mp, I'm done with your BS, can't take you seriously anymore. You're no different to the rest of the dreamers here, swallowing every Lie, Dreaming of a future of peaches and cream. Enjoy you're delusions while you can.


Peaches, cream, not exactly in short supply here, no reason to expect peach trees to stop producing peaches in Texas either. And cream... well.... Moooooooooo.
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Unread postby careinke » Fri 10 Oct 2025, 05:43:15

Hey Lucky,

In reference to the Reuters article about Spain with solar power prices at zero or even negative levels. I just saw that Australia is in the same "predicament". Power companies and government officials are blaming residential solar panels. Apparently, over 50% of residential properties have solar power.

All trolling aside, I think this is very good for Australia, and the world. Imagine you are a Bitcoin miner and your energy costs are FREE and they may even pay you to use the excess electricity. Your running compute, cooling systems, lights, EV chargers, water pumps, and more all at no costs to you.

The easiest way to make even more money is to expand everywhere. Sure you want the fastest compute available and will continue to buy the best hardware in order to stay competitive, but if it costs nothing to run, why take the older hardware off line? It's still compute.

Even if Australians can't make a decent AI, or a car that can drive itself, or a rocket ship that works, or humanoid general purpose robots, they can purchase them Tariff free from great companies like Tesla, space X, and XAI. Even individual households can make some cash by running Nodes to secure the network.

Solar is improving with a virtual unlimited supply, electrical storage is improving at an exponential rate, Compute is improving, and AI is approaching a singularity event with self learning. Robotaxi's will replace most public transportation especially for the last mile.

Of course the Socialist Control Freak, butt ring kissing, Ausie Government, will pass silly laws to steal it's citizens money. But that will not work, Pandoras Box has been opened, but the feared Black Swan, turns out to be white.

The world is going to need at least a doubling in energy production over the next couple of years, and I am very optimistic we will do it. Because it is necessary.

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Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 10 Oct 2025, 06:49:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'H')ey Lucky,

In reference to the Reuters article about Spain with solar power prices at zero or even negative levels. I just saw that Australia is in the same "predicament". Power companies and government officials are blaming residential solar panels. Apparently, over 50% of residential properties have solar power.

Well it's true we have the highest residential solar install per capita worldwide but the blame game you speak of is news to me. Do you have a link? All I read is the usual crap about blaming "coal" prices for the trouble, it's not actually believed at government level because government is rapidly scaling back large scale solar and wind farms but the mass media here is heavily influenced by offshore thinking, Woke thinking, Great Transition thinking. No one buys it, and after Covid no one believes anything on TV, except the total drones.

In the UK the media blames Gas prices for why the Brits are paying twice what we pay at the meter, even though they have massive installs of wind and solar. It's just obfuscation to try and hide the fact that Wind and Solar farms double the cost of electricity. Germany discovered that years ago but the farce continues. It's simple, the shit doesn't scale up! It's only good at the household level where all the infrastructure is already in place.

The House: being the real estate and ideal mounting for panels, all for free!
The grid connection already in place, no extra expense for that.
The power used mostly at the point of generation, no transmission losses or extra transmission costs.
And the cleaning and maintenance all supplied by the home owner.
The install Insured by the home owner.

I've probably missed a few points but you can see the massive savings made when it goes on a house and not out in a field hundreds of miles from the end-users. The fact we are generating more from rooftop than the grid as a whole can manage is debatable, you just dial down the coal plants anyway. I didn't mention the massive factories and supermarkets and big box stores either, most of them have roof top solar too. This actually takes a lot of strain off the grid since Mega watts and Mega Watts don't have to be generated elsewhere and pushed up the wires to run the machines and A/C units, it's made on site.

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Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 10 Oct 2025, 07:16:55

SPAIN: 2025: Currently, the country has 35.5 GW of solar capacity in operation, and in the first seven months of 2025 alone, 3 GW were commissioned.
Spain’s rooftop PV installations hit 1.18 GW in 2024

You see? Only a small fraction of their solar is rooftop, most are huge farms incurring all the costs I listed above. Also these are held by Private Corporations, that want their cut, that invariably have massive debt liked to the projects. Farms are a dead end. Too expensive electricity so uses cut back on consumption. So they put the rates up, so consumers cut back more. It's a vicious circle.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Australia's total installed solar energy capacity in 2024 stood at an impressive 38.5 GW.
Top 10 Biggest Solar Farms in Australia (2025), they total about 3.5 GW.
https://www.blackridgeresearch.com/blog ... ia-oceania

You see? the complete opposite of Spain! We have mostly residential rooftop, they have mostly large scale (Corporate) solar farms. That's why solar works in Australia and doesn't work in Spain or Germany or England. But I don't know why I waste my time explaining all this shit. It just goes straight through the heads of most readers.



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https://strategicenergy.eu/over-5-gw-of ... ring-2025/
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2025/01/24/ ... w-in-2024/

Oh, and my last power bill was about $60. That's what they owed ME! That's the power of rooftop solar, it takes the profits and puts them in the pocket of the Australian, not the corporations.
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