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by AdamB » Mon 09 Jun 2025, 15:01:46
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', ' ')and the rest, as they say, is history.
And so, after tackling old strawman and hitting his limit for the day...Unlucky rides off into the sunset.

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by theluckycountry » Tue 10 Jun 2025, 21:37:13
Don't worry adam, something will come along to save you from retirement poverty. Death probably

We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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by AdamB » Wed 11 Jun 2025, 08:08:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'D')on't worry adam, something will come along to save you from retirement poverty. Death probably

If you had read something I wrote earlier, you would know the issue isn't retirement poverty. The issue is generational wealth. Not something a cretin who can't convince a female to have children with them would know anything about. Did you miss the part in school where you mating with your favorite kangaroo isn't likely to produce offspring, or did you not get to that level?
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by theluckycountry » Thu 12 Jun 2025, 00:40:24
February, 2025 old news but under reported.
‘World’s largest’ solar plant in Calif closing – $1.6 billion Ivanpah casts a shadow on DOE loans
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he move is a setback for concentrating solar thermal power, a technology that benefited significantly from DOE loans more than a decade ago and was viewed as a way to have a renewable option with storage that could potentially run around the clock.
https://www.climatedepot.com/2025/02/05 ... ds-a-year/So even with huge giveaways they fail. The Spanish ones fared little better.
As for Solar PV
The Complete List of US Solar Bankruptcies and Business Closureshttps://www.solarinsure.com/the-complet ... s-closuresWhy did many go out of business? They blame interest rates, like a 4~5% fed rate is some great disaster? That's small compared to anything last century, but when your maxed out on debt I guess it's like the 18% of the 1980's. So They failed because everyone who could afford to take out the loans for them had, and the rest can't. PeakPV so to speak. SolarPV in America (home systems basically) are very expensive compared to the rest of the world. Like the medical treatments there only a certain segment, middleclass, could afford them.
Sorry, but the energy transition you ordered is out of stock.
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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by mousepad » Thu 12 Jun 2025, 10:54:42
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')So even with huge giveaways they fail. The Spanish ones fared little better.
That is IMPOSSIBLE, lucky. You must have it all wrong. It was kublikhan who repeatedly showed with a shitload of libtard university studies that renewables are cheaper, not by a bit, but by order of magnitude. Clearly it's the coal and gas plants that go out of business and not the renewables. Right?
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by AdamB » Thu 12 Jun 2025, 13:56:06
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'F')ebruary, 2025 old news but under reported.
‘World’s largest’ solar plant in Calif closing – $1.6 billion Ivanpah casts a shadow on DOE loans
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he move is a setback for concentrating solar thermal power, a technology that benefited significantly from DOE loans more than a decade ago and was viewed as a way to have a renewable option with storage that could potentially run around the clock.
https://www.climatedepot.com/2025/02/05 ... ds-a-year/Polly strikes again!

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by AdamB » Thu 12 Jun 2025, 14:15:22
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')So even with huge giveaways they fail. The Spanish ones fared little better.
That is IMPOSSIBLE, lucky. You must have it all wrong.
It probably is dependent upon who Polly is quoting in any given instant. And then even when quoting, Polly has a habit of just making up their own uneducated interpretation...and then pretending it isn't stupid regardless of the rigor others test it against to demonstrate why Polly is a parrot...and therefore can't think, only parrot.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '
') It was kublikhan who repeatedly showed with a shitload of libtard university studies that renewables are cheaper, not by a bit, but by order of magnitude.
Oh, Kub certainly represented the opposing viewpoint far better than the local parrot can represent theirs.
I have always been ambivalent on the matter, but your disdain for the possibility of renewables having an advantage seems to leak through in your words. Unlike Polly, you've always seemed to have a brain as long as politics weren't involved. So why the need for disdain, I mean other than you were never thrilled with the perspective of renewables (certainly not everyone is).
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') Clearly it's the coal and gas plants that go out of business and not the renewables. Right?
Well, coal certainly disintergrated pretty quickly in the US.......graphs says around 2009 or so?
Same graph says natural gas was doing pretty well through the end of the graph, something like 2022. I don't believe either trend has substantially shifted.
So gas plants look good in the US...coal not so much.
Didn't the orange felon in charge promise to bring back coal during his last grifting term? I know I know, who can trust a convicted felon who thinks grabbing your mothers, wife, or sisters pussy is his right as an orange golf cheating he-man, but STILL...he did promise those poor coal miners. And when it came to rioters and mobs and convicted child molestors, he kept his promise to pardon them....why didn't he keep his promise to the coal miners?
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by mousepad » Thu 12 Jun 2025, 18:04:18
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')I have always been ambivalent on the matter, but your disdain for the possibility of renewables having an advantage seems to leak through in your words. Unlike Polly, you've always seemed to have a brain as long as politics weren't involved. So why the need for disdain, I mean other than you were never thrilled with the perspective of renewables (certainly not everyone is).
I got solar on my roof and even had a 10kW windmill at one point on my property. I'm all in for renewables and I wish the world would go full green.
BUT, I don't think renewables can provide the 24/7 low cost electricity we're used to. I believe we will have to learn to pay a LOT more for electricity and/or limit its use to when the sun is shining/wind is blowing. Now, that's my feeling as an engineer, but I've been wrong in the past. So who knows, maybe I'm wrong again? Naturally I enjoy news that confirm my bias. And since I have a true disdain for libtard universities that pump out idiots with Ph.D not worth the paper the diploma is written on, I get a personal kick out of it each time one of their fancy papers gets proven wrong by reality.
Same way I think electric cars are great if they are small and light, for local commute (I owned one of these before electric cars became cool)
But a 7000 pound SUV Rivian? Really? You lug around 7000 pounds of metal and battery to go to the grocery to get some vegan sticks? To think that they make fun of rednecks driving a V8 to get a six pack of beer.
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') who can trust a convicted felon ....why didn't he keep his promise to the coal miners?
Good question. It's probably because he's doing what all politician and CEOs etc are doing. They lie.
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')you've always seemed to have a brain as long as politics weren't involved
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by theluckycountry » Thu 12 Jun 2025, 18:18:06
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')So even with huge giveaways they fail. The Spanish ones fared little better.
That is IMPOSSIBLE, lucky. You must have it all wrong. It was kublikhan who repeatedly showed with a shitload of libtard university studies that renewables are cheaper, not by a bit, but by order of magnitude. Clearly it's the coal and gas plants that go out of business and not the renewables. Right?
lol. Interestingly, stories are now circulating in the aussie media blaming coal fired electricity plants for the price rises we have seen in the southern states after they began installing alternate power generation
George Orwell's black is white has certainly come true in this day and age. The mainstream media is a total fake now. Just yesterday I was at the doctors and he told me he'd thrown his TV set out. He's sick of the lies and doesn't want his young children influenced by them. Good for him.
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')The Australian Energy Market Operator’s (AEMO) Quarterly Energy Dynamics report, released on Thursday, said average wholesale energy prices in the last three months of 2024 were up 83 per cent on the same time in the previous year... Unreliable coal plants and the slow rollout of renewables are combining to drive energy prices up, new data shows,
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 5l7ym.htmlSmoke and mirrors. I'm just glad I have solar, they are still paying me!
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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by theluckycountry » Thu 12 Jun 2025, 18:23:00
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '
')I got solar on my roof and even had a 10kW windmill at one point on my property. I'm all in for renewables and I wish the world would go full green.
Yes, but on the household basis like you say, it just doesn't scale up, lots of things don't scale up.
The cost of the grid itself is enormous but was self-funding at lower prices with cheap coal. Switch to alternatives and the need for batteries and you're costs go through the roof! At least if you want to run what's considered a
normal modern home with aircon and all the rest.
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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by AdamB » Thu 12 Jun 2025, 20:26:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '
')Now, that's my feeling as an engineer, but I've been wrong in the past. So who knows, maybe I'm wrong again? Naturally I enjoy news that confirm my bias. And since I have a true disdain for libtard universities that pump out idiots with Ph.D not worth the paper the diploma is written on, I get a personal kick out of it each time one of their fancy papers gets proven wrong by reality.
Well, I certainly know the feeling of being disappointed after all that education some folks invest in to become Probably Heavy in Debt, they end up being very....specifically....educated...in...nuance....on something.
But to be fair, it isn't just libtard universities that kick them out.
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')But a 7000 pound SUV Rivian? Really? You lug around 7000 pounds of metal and battery to go to the grocery to get some vegan sticks? To think that they make fun of rednecks driving a V8 to get a six pack of beer.
The wife's ex-boss had one. They are quite monstrous. Mine have been small, light, and inexpensive. Great cheap transport.
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')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
') who can trust a convicted felon ....why didn't he keep his promise to the coal miners?
Good question. It's probably because he's doing what all politician and CEOs etc are doing. They lie.
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Certainly true. I think liar politicians are quite common....but convicted felon and sexual assaulting ones...not so much. To combine all three into one politician is just..like..they must be SPECIAL.
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')you've always seemed to have a brain as long as politics weren't involved
Right back at you. 
My politics are pretty clean cut. All politicians suck. Some suck more than others, some less. But there is something in the air as of late that, politician wise, that just feels....ICKY.
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by AdamB » Thu 12 Jun 2025, 20:28:07
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')The Australian Energy Market Operator’s (AEMO) Quarterly Energy Dynamics report, released on Thursday, said average wholesale energy prices in the last three months of 2024 were up 83 per cent on the same time in the previous year... Unreliable coal plants and the slow rollout of renewables are combining to drive energy prices up, new data shows,
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 5l7ym.html
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by mousepad » Fri 13 Jun 2025, 07:56:43
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')My politics are pretty clean cut. All politicians suck. Some suck more than others, some less. But there is something in the air as of late that, politician wise, that just feels....ICKY.
yeah, it's crazy, ain't it? If you can't even put up a decent enough candidate on the demwit side to beat donald. How bad do you have to be? It almost looks like camela's famous "the significance of the passage of time" speech didn't convey the message succulent enough for normal people.
But I'm fully with you, all politicians suck. I'm just glad this time we get the one that sucks a little less than the alternative.
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by AdamB » Fri 13 Jun 2025, 09:28:30
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')My politics are pretty clean cut. All politicians suck. Some suck more than others, some less. But there is something in the air as of late that, politician wise, that just feels....ICKY.
yeah, it's crazy, ain't it? If you can't even put up a decent enough candidate on the demwit side to beat donald.
You would need to define "decent". Of course Kamala was "decent", she wasn't a convicted felon, and doesn't have a habit of claiming that when she grabs men in the crotch they really like it and let her do it. A pretty low bar though, this type of "decent" i.e. don't be a convicted felon or sexual assaulter.
But your point is accurate. When folks who aren't criminals aren't good enough to beat the average everyday criminal... WTF? That says something about the American people and their feelings on the value of character in some YUGE way. Americans were looking for something, and it didn't matter in the least, the character of the people involved. What seemed to matter was only what was promised...."I will give you back 'the good ol' days'!"...whatever those were.
The best analysis I've seen was that things are shifting under the average American's foot, beginning somewhere back around the Ross Perot "wasn't that a surprise!" campaign, and progressing through both parties selling out the American people with globalization, and everyone will be taught how to code!
And Trump was the answer. American's like brash and loud and allegedly accomplished, and in 2016 the Democans gave the Republicrats the perfect foil. Staus quo scumbag, I call her "she who was owed" because of what she was promised by her scumbag husband to "stand by her man".
And then we got geriatric Joe because Trump demonstrated he couldn't keep Obama's recovery going through Covid, and then geriatric Joe made a HUGE mistake by thinking that he had the mental acuity to run again and had to prove otherwise by getting in front of a camera with Trump on national TV. Oops. And then we got the easy, ignorant, and NON solution to the issue that Americans were worried about....how the ground had been shifting under their feet and they were worried, and Trump handing them immigrants as a punching bag worked. Such is politics. Worked great for all sorts of authoritarians down through the ages. Can't say Trump is smart enough to have planned any of it, just gave it a whirl and it worked. 2 out of 3 times anyway.
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')But I'm fully with you, all politicians suck. I'm just glad this time we get the one that sucks a little less than the alternative.
Nah. We just got another geriatric, except this one has an attitude, didn't start off with as many brain cells as Joe once had but has kept some of them slightly longer, and is currently losing them faster from a lower starting point. The guy doesn't know what state he is in, he doesn't know what day it was when he talks to Newsome, who does have a functioning brain, hires every chucklehead sychophant under the Sun to say stupid shit on his behalf, and makes the entire country look like a collection of chuckleheads to the rest of the world. That part is at least reasonable, America is predominately chuckleheads, but that is just because the normal distribution of human intelligience says that half the folks have to be below average...so there is ALWAYS a 50% chucklehead factor in every national election. Convince a few non-chuckleheads to come your way...by being enthusiastic and maybe some of them think you'll legalize grabbing women by the crotch, and presto. You win.
America needs fewer chuckleheads. But good luck with that.
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by mousepad » Fri 13 Jun 2025, 10:04:29
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')But your point is accurate. When folks who aren't criminals aren't good enough to beat the average everyday criminal... WTF? That says something about the American people and
what can you do? I didn't vote for trumpy because I like trumpy. I voted for the republican platform because much more (not all, but much more) resonated with me. If camela was running for the repu I would have voted for her. My suggestion to the demwits is to come forward with a platform that's not cringe and doesn't want to make me puke. And then sure I 'll again vote for them. As a starting point, maybe make it clear what a woman is?
You understand that there's no right or wrong in politics? There's only values. And my values are conservative and as such they much more align with current repu platform. Your values might be ultra progressive far field left. I don't know. And as such you will certainly vote demwits. And that's the beauty of voting, we all get a say.
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by mousepad » Fri 13 Jun 2025, 10:19:18
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', 'a')nd makes the entire country look like a collection of chuckleheads to the rest of the world.
I didn't know you are vain and insecure, caring what the rest of the world thinks? I enjoyed every minute of european meltdown. This alone was worth the effort

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')America is predominately chuckleheads, ..so there is ALWAYS a 50% chucklehead factor in every national election.
yes. That's exactly the arrogant attitude which lost the demwits the election. The stupid "deplorables". We demits are ivy league educated, we surely know better.
Did you ever think that people voted for trumpy not because they like trumpy but because the endless arrogant pandering of the left is exhausting?
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by AdamB » Fri 13 Jun 2025, 21:15:35
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')But your point is accurate. When folks who aren't criminals aren't good enough to beat the average everyday criminal... WTF? That says something about the American people and
what can you do? I didn't vote for trumpy because I like trumpy. I voted for the republican platform because much more (not all, but much more) resonated with me.
And either parties platform is a statement of what? TRUTH? You mean, the kind of truth Trump handed out to the coal miners in 2016? The platform is mindless babble....hopes and dreams that are no more true than Trump or Kamala giving much of a shit about anything other than gaining power.
Americans get gamed, and knowing you have a brain, I find it difficult to believe that you would think that a platform is any more meaningful than the promises Santa Claus made you this past December.
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You understand that there's no right or wrong in politics? There's only values. [/quote]
Really? So someone waved a sheet of paper in front of you claiming their political values...and then you said..."Hey! Convicted felon I wouldn't let within a mile of mother, wife, sister or daughter and I'LL BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR!"
You've got values. I"ve got values. Neither party has values. They have claims. Which are mostly advertising, who some folks certainly might fall for. Tell me about your values, as they might be represented by convicted felons or folks you wouldn't want within pussy grabbing range of any female in your family? I'd love to hear how that logic works.
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')And my values are conservative and as such they much more align with current repu platform.
I lean conservative. But I can't find many of those on the ballot. I can find plenty that CLAIM to be conservative. Neither of us are young....are you still naive enough for the "hey pull my finger trick"? Because in order to fall for either parties written platform as though it represents their actual values, you've got to fall for that one as well.
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') Your values might be ultra progressive far field left.
Could be. Aren't. Registered independent since Perot, because I figured out early that neither of the platforms espoused by the scumbag politicians were worth the paper they were printed on, and that was BEFORE they were actually elected as convicted felons and sexual predators to prove what the American political class is to everyone with eyes and ears.
From the 2024 Republican Platform:
We will be a Nation based on Truth, Justice, and Common Sense.
Apparently we weren't any of these things before? Someone tell me, when you pardon child molestors and folks inciting a riot trying to stop an election....are you on the side of justice and truth and common sense, or just happily giving your convicted criminal friends a free pass because you are now one of the club yourself?
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')I don't know. And as such you will certainly vote demwits. And that's the beauty of voting, we all get a say.
Registered independent since Perot. I try to vote for character and people with good ideas. If, as it happens at the national level quite often, I vote for the political asshat that I think will do the least amount of damage to the country.
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by AdamB » Fri 13 Jun 2025, 21:29:31
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', 'a')nd makes the entire country look like a collection of chuckleheads to the rest of the world.
I didn't know you are vain and insecure, caring what the rest of the world thinks?
I remember sitting at the lunch table when the hostages were released from Tehran. And yeah, I felt good they were free, and sick as to what the rest of the world thought about our gutless reaction to their kidnapping in the first place.
So yeah..not insecure....I just don't like the idea of me and my countrymen being made to look like schmucks by political leadership.
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')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')America is predominately chuckleheads, ..so there is ALWAYS a 50% chucklehead factor in every national election.
yes. That's exactly the arrogant attitude which lost the demwits the election. The stupid "deplorables". We demits are ivy league educated, we surely know better.
It isn't arrogant. It is a natural consequence of a normal distribution of human intelligience. I do science, and don't live in the deterministic world of the permanently certain. Being below the average in the normal distribution of human intelligience doesn't make someone deplorable...it makes them below average in intelligience. I used a colloquilism to describe that part of the distribution. Feel free to use your own for the population below that line. You're an engineer? Odds are you aren't in that group. But there is an amazing component to a Trump win....it isn't JUST chuckleheads who got him elected. As far as who the Democans aim for versus the Repubicrats, I don't care. Whatever it is they are selling, it sure hasn't been working so far.
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')Did you ever think that people voted for trumpy not because they like trumpy but because the endless arrogant pandering of the left is exhausting?
Mother is a teacher (classical democan voting block), father a union coal miner (another classic democan voting block). Both went for Trump, all 3 times. They didn't do it because of endless pandering by the party that they thought had left them....and they didn't do it because either of them fall into the chucklehead category. They had their reasons, and I'm betting they are very similar to the ones that threw the election to Trump 2 of the 3 times he ran.
And it had nothing to do with the Republicrat advertising of "values" in a document that they used for toilet paper 5 seconds after the elections were certified.
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by theluckycountry » Sat 14 Jun 2025, 04:27:17
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I didn't know you are vain and insecure, caring what the rest of the world thinks? I enjoyed every minute of european meltdown. This alone was worth the effort

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Alienated another member eh adam. Your such a social dogturd.

We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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by AdamB » Sat 14 Jun 2025, 14:31:14
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', ' ') Your such a social dogturd.
What is it with dog insults? Are they especially shocking among cloistered Australians, or does your lack of education and creativity just leave you with....dogs....?
Plant Thu 27 Jul 2023 "Personally I think the IEA is exactly right when they predict peak oil in the 2020s, especially because it matches my own predictions."
Plant Wed 11 Apr 2007 "I think Deffeyes might have nailed it, and we are just past the overall peak in oil production. (Thanksgiving 2005)"
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