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THE S*** Hits the Fan (TSHTF) Thread (merged)

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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby WildRose » Thu 10 Jul 2008, 14:07:26

Don't get me started...I had a rough night at work last night.

Anyway, for me it's a combination of:

- wanting to do more at home/prepping/realizing what's more important, but still needing the paycheque

- mid-life

- the realization that my work may very well be obsolete in a few short years

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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby Blacksmith » Thu 10 Jul 2008, 14:37:53

I have concentrated on working for myself. I do not earn "big bucks", but I feel I do a better job both for my clients and for myself.
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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby mystiek » Thu 10 Jul 2008, 15:27:50

Agreed Big Tex: my job is not who I am-its a way to provide a living for me and my family (and sometimes an opportunity to reach out as a Christian to someone hurting and in need) and I definitely don't advertise my profession on my car's license plate like some of my collegues. I have always had to some degree the PO mentality, but have been much busier putting up food and gardening.
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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby CarlinsDarlin » Thu 10 Jul 2008, 15:44:41

I had the same feeling about a year and a half after I learned about peakoil. We also had some things going on with family members that meant I needed to spend more time at home. Thankfully, Carlin understood at least that much, and I finally quit my full-time job. I was just going through the motions at that point anyway. It was the best move I've ever made.

Yes, we did lose the income. But what I was needing more than income was TIME. I wasn't making enough to pay someone to do the work I needed to do. We cut back, scrimped and saved, and ate a lot of beans and rice... but now (four years later) we're far ahead of where we'd have been otherwise. Still, we're nowhere close to where I'd like to be. I doubt we'll ever be as prepared as I would envision we need to be.
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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby xerces » Thu 10 Jul 2008, 20:39:06

Work is terribly mind-numbing for me. The money is excellent and is going towards my PPO preparations. And quite frankly the $$$ is the only thing left that still motivates me at the office.
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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby JJ » Thu 10 Jul 2008, 20:48:55

never really cared about work, always wanted to learn something new; had zillions of jobs by the time I was 35. Then got married and busted a%$ to get all the stuff I thought I was supposed to have; children, house, etc. I mean I really bought into the package (now of course I regret it). Now I don't care much at all about work, always trying to figure out what kind of prep I could be working on. Leave work early (my boss is always trying to cut hours, so he's happy) It makes my on-the-dole co-worker NUTS when I leave early, he really goes ballistic. I haven't been able to figure that out; it's as if he were going to have to do some extra work or something. Now I'm fifty and my life is certainly half over, maybe MUCH, MUCH more so....
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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby catbox » Thu 10 Jul 2008, 20:50:24

I'm able to spend 4-5 hours working M-F at a dot com 15 minutes by bike. This leaves me the afternoons, before I have to pick up our daughter, to prep and tinker about. I love what we've done!

I'll never work more than 5 hours a day!
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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby coyote » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 01:28:14

I'm a vocational college instructor. I still love my job and work hard at it. I would continue to do this, at least part time, even if I were wealthy and peak oil prepared.

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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 02:18:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HEADER_RACK', 'I') have always been very competitve in my work life. I've always shown initiative in new projects and have taken the lead when I could. Some would have called me a workaholic with an undying devotion and loyalty to my company.
As of late that has all but disappeared. Now I just go through the motions never opting to do more than what is expected of me. I have lost all zeal for my job.
Instead my mind and focus is on prepping myself for TSHTF.My work life has taken a backseat. While to me this is a good thing, for in the end my prepping will ultimately do more for me than my job. I just thought it was a little strange on how a persons ingrained habits could do a complete turn around so fast and was wondering if this was happening to others besides myself.


It is not that your personality has changed, only the focus of that personality. Once it was work, now it is preparation.

I have undergone a similar transition though it has more to do with topic of interest and independent study rather than work. It can be confusing for loved ones when it appears as if everything that interested you one day sinks into the background. I am the same person, just the object of my focus has changed.
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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby CrudeAwakening » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 02:42:35

To the OPs question: Yes, absolutely.

Time seems so precious now, and spending such a large chunk of it on matters of ever diminishing relevance is hard to stomach at times. But, I tell myself, at least I have a job - I'm not particularly relishing the time when I have to obtain what I need by trading my other post peak skills, which are most definitely a "work in progress".

My enthusiasm for the continuing education that I'm supposed to engage in has plummeted, but life goes on, and, for the moment, it is the hand that feeds me.
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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby BigTex » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 12:27:25

(I posted this in another thread, but it really belongs here.)

Any time a civilization collapses, the obvious question is "if they were smart enough to build that thing from scratch, why weren't they smart enough to maintain it once they had it built out?" The answer, of course, is that these societies start to fracture, and the cause of these fractures is understood to be a combination of resource limitations, overpopulation, poor governance, etc. Chief among these, though, is usually resource limitations.

Looking at the matter close up, how would members of a complex civilization be expected to react to news that their whole way of life is temporary and soon to pass away into the entropy hopper? I see one of two reactions--denial or acceptance. For those who deny it, they make no allowances for the processes that are chipping away at the sustainability of their society and thus hasten its collapse.

For those people who do accept what is occurring, and that is many of us here, strange things begin to happen. On the one hand, these individuals are going to make what personal preparations that they can, and not depend on the government to provide them with any protection from the coming troubles. On the other hand, and this is more subtle, these people are also going to begin to lose confidence in their society and way of life. They are going to simply lose the uniting vision that allowed the civilization to develop in the first place. Since these people are being guided by reality, their perspective will begin to be adopted by more and more people, and thus there will begin to be a collective loss of faith in the systems and institutions of their civilization.

As we all know, independence is very inefficient, so as more and more people begin to turn toward independent lifestyles to compensate for the failing institutions of their society, the whole society becomes less productive, and thus what made the society powerful or wealthy in the first place begins to be undermined.

This process proceeds on two tracks. There are the actual causes of decline--typically resource depletion and overpopulation--but there is also the psychological reaction of a growing section of the populace that I describe above. The effect is that rather than bringing the society together to face the challenge, as may have happened earlier in the society's existence, now a self-reinforcing cycle of deterioration begins to take hold.

I believe that's where we are at today. More and more, people are simply losing faith in this system of industrial civilization, and thus rather than putting their shoulder to the wheel within the system to preserve it, they find that they just don't have the will to try to save something in which they just no longer believe.
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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby darwinsdog » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 12:38:27

The system doesn't deserve to be preserved.
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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby coyote » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 13:20:02

Nice post, BigTex. I think that as things unravel, we'll see more people putting their shoulders to the wheel again, but it won't be for the cause of the greater good or society. It'll be for their own communities.
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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby Olaf » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 14:28:13

I certainly feel like precious hours in every work day are going into a sink hole. I spend my day working on things that I no longer believe will have any long term relevance. It certainly makes work less fulfilling. While I still strive to do a good job, I do find that I am more willing to miss a little time here and there to work on things I consider more important.

The acting out the part anaolgy Big Tex used fits.

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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby BigTex » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 15:03:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', 'N')ice post, BigTex. I think that as things unravel, we'll see more people putting their shoulders to the wheel again, but it won't be for the cause of the greater good or society. It'll be for their own communities.


When given a cause in which to believe, a person can be amazingly productive, creative, inspired.

OTOH, the same person can be a very dim light if put in a hopeless environment.

An example of both situations above would be a prison. On the one hand, you have basically a mental illness factory where you torture people psychologically for the crimes they have committed. The prison is DESIGNED to create hopelessness and does a good job most of the time.

However, there are those who hatch escape plans from the prison that are simply amazing in their subtlety and ingenuity. Frequently, these are people without exceptional IQs. The hope of freedom, however, inspires them to attempt the impossible with great cunning and occasionally succeed.

It's that firmly held belief that you are working toward something good that we all want. That FOCUS and DRIVE to achieve your goals can just make you feel so ALIVE. When you begin to question the value of the goals, though, things get complicated.

Part of what is so vexing about peak oil and the group of troubles that travel with it is that you want to be able to share it with people and get busy trying to come up with some kind of solution. You want to FIX it. But as time goes by, you realize that it's hard to share with most people, and even those who agree with you find that there are mitigation strategies, but not much in the way of appealing "solutions".
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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby Fredrik » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 15:13:06

I'm moving from a moribund office job to another, more physical job that might survive at least the initial stages of oil depletion. I'll have to get used to the idea of working as hard as I can, because I expect the less efficient workers at the new place to get fired anyway later, as the economy gets tighter.

It's not the hard work per se that's depressing, it's the monotony and lack of natural environment. At one point I semi-seriously thought about training to be a forest worker but they're getting laid off left and right...
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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby ShirleyKat » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 16:07:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', ' ')For those who deny it, they make no allowances for the processes that are chipping away at the sustainability of their society and thus hasten its collapse.

For those people who do accept what is occurring, and that is many of us here, strange things begin to happen. On the one hand, these individuals are going to make what personal preparations that they can, and not depend on the government to provide them with any protection from the coming troubles.


And for some of us older readers, acceptance means purposely going down with the ship. I started eating everything I wanted while it was still on the shelves at Costco, retired about a year earlier than full retirement age, sold my SoCal house to move back to my home town in the midwest (and avoided a 12-day evacuation in the fires last fall). I do stock up the house, but that is to avoid driving in snow.

I've had a good life and would change very little of it. When it's time to move on, that's OK too.
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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby sameu » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 17:36:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HEADER_RACK', 'Y')es, some of us work to pay for our preps. Wouldn't it stand to reason though that the harder you worked the more money you make the more preps you should be able to do. Why then has my competive edge my will to strive to excell deminished in the work place. If anything it should drive me harder.


This is your anwers I guess

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', 'S')ometimes I feel like I'm wasting valuable time at the office, working with abstractions, when I could be planting, hoeing, chopping, splitting, building, planning, or something that MATTERS.




there are just too many jobs that are meaningless
jobs that don't provide any satisfaction other then the money
being peakoilaware only renders more (your own) jobs meaningless
I worked in the diamond industry, and with every stone I studied I knew I made my boss richer, the client richer, some millionaire consumer happy with his big fat stone, but in the end you're doing nothing that matters or maybe even for worse, earning a tiny fraction of the money you made for your boss
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Re: Work ethics & TSHTF

Unread postby alpha480v » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 19:53:27

I gotta keep working to pay for preps. I'm not done yet. Hopefully Tshtf will wait for a couple months yet.
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