[ernest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'C')hina and Russia? I don't see it. China and Russia have a long history of animosity towards eachother. Even when they were both communist, they didn't trust eachother. So lets see...my wild guess....How about this.

Axis: US, Canada (as a seperate nation or as the 51st state), Russia, India, Isreal, Turkey, Japan, Phillipeans, Indonesia

vs.

Allies: EU, China, Venezuala, Iran, the stan's, Argentina, most of Africa

Saudi Arabia could go either way. My prediction would be the ouster of the Sauds and joining the allies under an new radical Islamic government.

[formandfile]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ernest', 'S')ome of you guys are such USA haters.

[whereismymonkey]

20th March 2003, USA
Just a little slow to start off with.

[Teclo]

China and Russia, guys you need to rethink this

I'm a bit of a news whore so I know the following:

1. They resolved their terrortorial disputes with a long awaited treaty
2. They are conducting joint military exercises
3. Russia is China's main arms supplier

Ideologically Russia under Putin has much in common with China, both authoritarians

Its obvious to me and it should be to you, that its more likely than not, they would form an alliance of some kind

You are talking about old history, of 60's rivalry thats long since over

Teclo

[jaakkeli]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'C')hina and Russia? I don't see it. China and Russia have a long history of animosity towards eachother. Even when they were both communist, they didn't trust eachother.

[thequietkid10]

How exactly are we supposed to run an "energy war" anyway? Does anyone have any idea how much energy (oil) it cost to run a war? To move those big bombers, tanks, and ships? I don't, but I imagine it is a ton of oil. It just won't be profitable from an energy standpoint to go to war, with say China. We'd use more energy then we could possibly win.

And if we did go to war, (assuming we don't destroy the planet) we will eventually be fighting with clubs and rocks, because we won't have the energy for anything else. I don't know if you find this funny or not, I do though, maybe its just funny in the context of everything else here.

[Raxozanne]

Yeah they might realise this and skip all the soldiers and tanks etc and just deploy some nukes instead. Quick and effective...

[gego]

There were wars long before anyone ever heard of gasoline. These wars were basically over resources, whether it was land or populations of serfs.

History clearly shows that wars are a fact of human existence.

If you are thinking that the US will not have the energy resources to to fight over the remaining oil wells, then may not have considered that during war time, all available resources are taken by the government from the population for the "national good". So get ready to use your ration coupons to claim what small subsistence they allow you. Actually it might be good for the health of the average American to get down to 1000 calories of food a day.

[savethehumans]

Not worry about going into a resource war?

We're already in one!!!!!

The first of many. Of that, have no doubt.

[Barbara]

The resource war is not about getting oil, but CONTROLLING it. If you control the oil flow, then you can let your friends to live in comfort and leave your enemies to freeze.
And you rule the world.

Who controls oil, will be the real world emperor.

[OilyMon]

The first stage of the oil war was: secure more oil...

The second stage of the oil war is: SECURE MORE OIL.

The third stage of the oil war is: If you have oil, you have to fight.

[Doly]

It's true that it costs tons of oil to run a war. But there are some big fields still out there, and those tons of oil are a drop in comparison with the production of, say, Saudi Arabia.

[shakespear1]

I am not a military analyst but as we can see today in Iraq, IT IS NOT EASY. To secure an oil field or fields, plus pipelines, plus refineries, plus ports etc.. IT IS NOT EASY and something as simple as a person with a belt of explosives can do so much damages that all the nukes in the arsenal will not stop this.

So unless one is willing to apply Machiavelli's Principle to the extreme, YOU WILL NOT WIN.

Don't forget external forces that will not just sit there and watch as someone is rounding up all the resources. In this respect we do not have a uni-polar world. There is the China Axis, India Axis, Pakistan Axis, Russia Axis etc.

Do war on Americans driving those stupid gas guzzlers, build better mass transit such as found in Paris or Moscow. Move business and people closer to the center. Get them used to living in apartments and a little summer home away in the suburbs. ........

That is a War worth fighting.

[Markos101]

youthenasia at 60, financial crisis, no aircraft, no heat in homes, no medicines, no long-haul personal transport, huge numbers of empty houses from excess construction over the past 40 years, no long-distance communication due to de-electrification, business failiures, no steady income sources, less food, no long-distance travel, no growth prospects, social unrest, no feasible nuclear replacement due to need to continuously replace nuclear power plants every 30 years in a declining fossil fuel economy which cannot happen on a continual basis unlimited into the future, no television (not such a bad thing), no computers due to loss of base materials and mass electrification, possibility of loss of remaining reserves through conflict for remaining supplies being destroyed, no plastic, no organic chemistry, no glass, no base metals due to need for oil-based mining, no wood because we've already chopped all the stuff up, no fire(!), no gardens due to need to use land for food, no internet, no fireworks, no trains, no ink pens or inkjet cartridges, no varnish, no refridgeration for food(!) due to need for mass electrification, no nitrogen sources due to no gas, no pesticides due to oil derivative, no fertilisers due to no nitrogen, no paper due to need for oil-based transport for importation (!), no underwear or man-made fibre based clothes, no waterproof clothing, no caravans (due to need for petrol based transportation), no tents (due to need for oil-based man-made fibres), no music due to need for mass electrification (!) - we'll need to play naturally created music again, no top 100 pop music charts, no radio shows, no air conditioning due to need for electrification(!), no solar panels or wind turbines due to need for continous renewal which is impossible on a long-term basis in a declining energy economy and into the arbitrary future, no new books, no candles due to need for oil based parafin, no light (!) at night (!), no radiators, no golf due to need for huge land masses and wastage of resources, no marmite, no new zealand butter, no wine due to lack of transport to countries without the right climate, no bananas, no sweet potatoes, no deodourant due to oil based derivatives making it uneconomic, no anti-perspirants for same reason, no hot bathes or showers (!), no....

Care to continue?

Mark

[EnergySpin]

No Milk Today I guess

[whiteknight]

Come on everybody join in, you know the words!

No phone, no lights, no motor cars, not a single luxury,
like Robinson Carosoe, it's primitive as can be.
So join us here each week my freinds you're sure to get a smile.
From seven strandes castaways, here on Gilligans Isle!

[Markos101]

No batteries, no condoms in an environment where sex will become more popular for entertainment again and compound our population issues, no tyres for any new transport vehicles(!), no paint(!), no hairgel, no hairwax, no digital cameras, no donuts due to need for cooking oil from crude oil, no...

[Markos101]

tissues, toilet paper, no coins...

[doufus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Markos101', 'y')outhenasia at 60, financial crisis, no aircraft, no heat in homes, no medicines, no long-haul personal transport, huge numbers of empty houses from excess construction over the past 40 years, no long-distance communication due to de-electrification, business failiures, no steady income sources, less food, no long-distance travel, no growth prospects, social unrest, no feasible nuclear replacement due to need to continuously replace nuclear power plants every 30 years in a declining fossil fuel economy which cannot happen on a continual basis unlimited into the future, no television (not such a bad thing), no computers due to loss of base materials and mass electrification, possibility of loss of remaining reserves through conflict for remaining supplies being destroyed, no plastic, no organic chemistry, no glass, no base metals due to need for oil-based mining, no wood because we've already chopped all the stuff up, no fire(!), no gardens due to need to use land for food, no internet, no fireworks, no trains, no ink pens or inkjet cartridges, no varnish, no refridgeration for food(!) due to need for mass electrification, no nitrogen sources due to no gas, no pesticides due to oil derivative, no fertilisers due to no nitrogen, no paper due to need for oil-based transport for importation (!), no underwear or man-made fibre based clothes, no waterproof clothing, no caravans (due to need for petrol based transportation), no tents (due to need for oil-based man-made fibres), no music due to need for mass electrification (!) - we'll need to play naturally created music again, no top 100 pop music charts, no radio shows, no air conditioning due to need for electrification(!), no solar panels or wind turbines due to need for continous renewal which is impossible on a long-term basis in a declining energy economy and into the arbitrary future, no new books, no candles due to need for oil based parafin, no light (!) at night (!), no radiators, no golf due to need for huge land masses and wastage of resources, no marmite, no new zealand butter, no wine due to lack of transport to countries without the right climate, no bananas, no sweet potatoes, no deodourant due to oil based derivatives making it uneconomic, no anti-perspirants for same reason, no hot bathes or showers (!), no....

Care to continue?

Mark

[Markos101]

...no hot food...