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THE Penn and Teller Thread (merged)

Unread postby steam_cannon » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 15:00:17

Penn & Teller - (No) Energy Crisis

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The linked video is not work safe (nudity) but it is amusing.

Penn and Teller argue that there can be no energy crisis because we can expand nuclear, so drive all you want. Talk about slight of hand! (Well they are two los vegas magicians...)
Penn & Teller - Bullshit - Energy Crisis 1/3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw_WjooMpz0

Penn & Teller - Bullshit - Energy Crisis 2/3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khz2Bza_dY0

Penn & Teller - Bullshit - Energy Crisis 3/3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nri-WF-DxFU

Penn & Teller - (No) End of the World
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Del: "Civilization as we know it could definitely come to an end."

Steve: "You just look at the resource use and things like that on our planet, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it's all going to run out sooner or later."

Penn: "The good news is the rocket scientists are working on new technologies, not hiding in a shack like this."

Then Penn skips the resource issues and spends the rest of the video debunking religious cults and Nostradamus. Can you say slight of hand!

Penn & Teller - Bullshit - End of the World 1/3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzQlylE-oQ4&NR=1

Penn & Teller - Bullshit - End of the World 2/3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egZCinHcGDw

Penn & Teller - Bullshit - End of the World 3/3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqnQbCWO_Xc
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Re: Penn & Teller - No Energy Crisis, no EOTWAWKI

Unread postby dub_scratch » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 15:41:33

The No Energy Crisis show is a hoot... Fun stuff....... and they've got tits too 8O
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Re: Penn & Teller - No Energy Crisis, no EOTWAWKI

Unread postby steam_cannon » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 15:51:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dub_scratch', 'T')he No Energy Crisis show is a hoot... Fun stuff....... and they've got tits too 8O
Yeah there's no question they put on a good show! They're great magicians, but I think in these two episodes they are making the facts disappear along with their assistant's cloths... And what do cats have to do with a discussion on energy? :roll:

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Re: Penn & Teller - No Energy Crisis, no EOTWAWKI

Unread postby Concerned » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 17:50:15

Bread and Circuses.

The more things change the more they stay the same.
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Re: Penn & Teller - No Energy Crisis, no EOTWAWKI

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 18:12:06

This is what's wrong with the world. We second-guess experts and seek out sage wisdom from entertainers.
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Re: Penn & Teller - No Energy Crisis, no EOTWAWKI

Unread postby dub_scratch » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 18:15:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dub_scratch', 'T')he No Energy Crisis show is a hoot... Fun stuff....... and they've got tits too 8O
Yeah there's no question they put on a good show! They're great magicians, but I think in these two episodes they are making the facts disappear along with their assistant's cloths... And what do cats have to do with a discussion on energy? :roll:

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I won't expect a half hour entertainment/opinion format would be the best to layout all the energy facts. All Penn & Teller really did in this show was debunk is the anti-nuke hype and the hybrid panacea hype. I did not have a problem with their positions.
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Re: Penn & Teller - No Energy Crisis, no EOTWAWKI

Unread postby steam_cannon » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 18:41:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dub_scratch', 'I') won't expect a half hour entertainment/opinion format would be the best to layout all the energy facts. All Penn & Teller really did in this show was debunk is the anti-nuke hype and the hybrid panacea hype. I did not have a problem with their positions.
I don't have a problem with their position on Nuclear either! But they titled their show is "Energy Crisis", they start off in a car, they mention OPEC, they have two lesbians driving around questioning the road efficiency of a car. And then they just talk about Nuclear.

The nuclear thing made a little sense since in the beginning Penn puts in a Jab saying people claim we need a smaller carbon foot print "for film maker Al Gore". I'm guessing Penn is dealing with the global warming angle by discussing Nuclear, but it looks like just a smoke and mirrors routine saying we can drive all we want because we can expand nuclear. Maybe they have stock in an electric car companies?

And the other film is the same. I agree with them that dooms day cults and Nostradamus is BS. And it's funny. But they started the show with a couple talking about resource depletion, then they presented that as equivalent to Nostradamus cult stuff, which is all they talked about in the rest of the show. If they made a show about Nostradamus cult stuff, that's be cool. But that tie in of resource depletion, discredits their presentation because resource depletion isn't Nostradamus, it's science. One of these things doesn't belong, so why did they add it? And their argument that scientists are on it? What are they saying, population can grow to infinity? Resources never run out? The lights will never go out in Vegas?

These two shows just have a real smoke and mirrors feel to them, and they're papering over resource depletion and oil depletion. Maybe they weren't trying to, but that's what they managed to do...
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Re: Penn & Teller - No Energy Crisis, no EOTWAWKI

Unread postby steam_cannon » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 19:00:08

I've also heard Penn and Teller have conflicting interests in these areas.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ts first episodes were a very funny and astute debunking of hapless psychics and spoon benders.

A few episodes later, P&T shifted from rightly ridiculing pseudoscience to attacking real, hard peer-reviewed science — as if the two were the same thing.

As a result, the 2003 show where P&T assert as proven fact that global warming is bullshit is now finding a brand new audience — people who take as scientific proof Penn & Teller’s claim that global warming is bullshit.

We’ll leave aside that in 2003 the scientific record showed P&T’s claim was total, provable bullshit.

http://agonist.org/douglas_watts/200701 ... s_bullshit

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ome environmentalists have pointed out that both Penn Jillette and Teller are research fellows of the limited government and free market advocacy group the Cato Institute,[15][16] which receives contributions from various individuals and companies, including ExxonMobil...

http://agonist.org/douglas_watts/200701 ... s_bullshit

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Re: Penn & Teller - No Energy Crisis, no EOTWAWKI

Unread postby efarmer » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 20:05:58

"Penn Jillette, H.L. Mencken research fellow, is the louder, bigger half of the magic/comedy team Penn & Teller. He and Teller co-host
a new series on Showtime that looks to debunk junk science,
scares and scams with reason and logic. Jillette writes the "Final
Word" column for Regulation magazine."

I love reason and logic and good science. When someone has to
bluster and and bellow, and flash female t&a at you, I believe
their logic is probably weak. I have an idea for their next show, debunk magic and illusion and show us how all their tricks work, and and while their at it, show us their tits just to keep it fair and balanced.

Suggested show title?

"Two illusionist comics debunk magic and strip to hold audience."
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Re: Penn & Teller - No Energy Crisis, no EOTWAWKI

Unread postby steam_cannon » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 20:12:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'I') love reason and logic and good science. When someone has to
bluster and and bellow, and flash female t&a at you, I believe
their logic is probably weak. I have an idea for their next show, debunk magic and illusion and show us how all their tricks work, and and while their at it, show us their tits just to keep it fair and balanced.

Suggested show title?

"Two illusionist comics debunk magic and strip to hold audience."
Exactly! :lol:
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Penn and Teller take on the Environmentlists

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Mon 28 Jul 2008, 20:10:42

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Re: Penn and Teller take on the Environmentlists

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 28 Jul 2008, 20:16:39

Penn and Teller are dickheads.
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Re: Penn and Teller take on the Environmentlists

Unread postby Homesteader » Mon 28 Jul 2008, 20:22:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'P')enn and Teller are dickheads.


Yeah, pretty much. Guess they don't have a better way to make a living than manufacturing and promoting half-truths. Took a page from the Limbaugh Handbook.
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Re: Penn and Teller take on the Environmentlists

Unread postby Cashmere » Mon 28 Jul 2008, 20:24:20

I'm no PandT fan.

When I think of GW, I think that, a mere 20,000 years ago, a 300 foot thick ice sheet covered half of NYC.
Massive Human Dieoff <b>must</b> occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where <b>you</b> live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Re: Penn and Teller take on the Environmentlists

Unread postby Lore » Mon 28 Jul 2008, 20:29:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'I')'m no PandT fan.

When I think of GW, I think that, a mere 20,000 years ago, a 300 foot thick ice sheet covered half of NYC.


Aside from the fact that 20,000 years ago has nothing to do with circumstances surrounding today's climate, you may also want to consider that the ice resulted from only a few degrees of temperature change.
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Re: Penn and Teller take on the Environmentlists

Unread postby CrudeAwakening » Mon 28 Jul 2008, 20:51:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'P')enn and Teller are dickheads.

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Re: Penn and Teller take on the Environmentlists

Unread postby Forney2008 » Mon 28 Jul 2008, 21:02:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CrudeAwakening', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'P')enn and Teller are dickheads.

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Re: Penn and Teller take on the Environmentlists

Unread postby efarmer » Mon 28 Jul 2008, 21:14:46

Now if we can just get Ziegfried and Roy to weigh in on
nuclear fusion we may just be able to wring the entire
brain trust of Las Vegas into a pickle jar and send it to
Washington D.C. for processing. Please ask Wayne
Newton to sing these fine people a rousing
"Danke Schoen" as a very small gesture of gratitude
on behalf of a grateful nation.
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Re: Penn and Teller take on the Environmentlists

Unread postby jbrovont » Mon 28 Jul 2008, 21:17:02

I watched up until their "rebuttle" of "no debate that glaciers are melting and species are going extinct," exccept there wasn't any. Just a guy saying some environmentalists were extreemists. That amounted to the extent of the substance to the rebuttle.
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Re: Penn and Teller take on the Environmentlists

Unread postby Cashmere » Mon 28 Jul 2008, 21:27:47

Penn and Tell vs. Algore.

I'd have to go with P&T.
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