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Re: Noah's Great Rainbow

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 02 Oct 2005, 22:10:11

Nice lyrics to Sundown On the Union but it doesn't sound at all like Dylan. I went to see just in case and it's not in the Dylan repertoire. Dylan doesn't write so straightforward. It's usually allusive, poetic, stream-of-consciousness stuff.

*edit* It's Union Sundown and it is Dylan's song, albeit atypical. Of course, the guy has been constantly reinventing his art, so it isn't suprising. Comes from the Infidels album and I haven't heard that one.
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Re: Noah's Great Rainbow

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 02 Oct 2005, 22:21:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'H')e was a gay?

Gay people make me hollar and sweat. :shock:

/i really don't know what im talking about
Who, Cash or Dylan? Actually I think Dylan, and Cash when he was alive, are/were both hetero guys. Here's Dylan's song about 'repressed homos', Ballad of a Thin Man (at least that's what I think it's about):

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou walk into the room
With your pencil in your hand
You see somebody naked
And you say, "Who is that man?"
You try so hard
But you don't understand
Just what you'll say
When you get home

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

You raise up your head
And you ask, "Is this where it is?"
And somebody points to you and says
"It's his"
And you say, "What's mine?"
And somebody else says, "Where what is?"
And you say, "Oh my God
Am I here all alone?"

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

You hand in your ticket
And you go watch the geek
Who immediately walks up to you
When he hears you speak
And says, "How does it feel
To be such a freak?"
And you say, "Impossible"
As he hands you a bone

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

You have many contacts
Among the lumberjacks
To get you facts
When someone attacks your imagination
But nobody has any respect
Anyway they already expect you
To just give a check
To tax-deductible charity organizations

You've been with the professors
And they've all liked your looks
With great lawyers you have
Discussed lepers and crooks
You've been through all of
F. Scott Fitzgerald's books
You're very well read
It's well known

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Well, the sword swallower, he comes up to you
And then he kneels
He crosses himself
And then he clicks his high heels
And without further notice
He asks you how it feels
And he says, "Here is your throat back
Thanks for the loan"

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Now you see this one-eyed midget
Shouting the word "NOW"
And you say, "For what reason?"
And he says, "How?"
And you say, "What does this mean?"
And he screams back, "You're a cow
Give me some milk
Or else go home"

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Well, you walk into the room
Like a camel and then you frown
You put your eyes in your pocket
And your nose on the ground
There ought to be a law
Against you comin' around
You should be made
To wear earphones

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?
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Re: Noah's Great Rainbow

Unread postby Lukethedrifter » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 09:30:08

Huge Dylan Fan here. Only 3 albums shy of an entire collection.

When it comes to "Peak Oil" Dylan songs my favorite is: Visions of Johanna.

Pay close attention and read between the lines because I think he was on to something here. Read close.....


Ain't it just like the night to play tricks when you're tryin' to be so quiet?
We sit here stranded, though we're all doin' our best to deny it
And Louise holds a handful of rain, temptin' you to defy it
Lights flicker from the opposite loft
In this room the heat pipes just cough
The country music station plays soft
But there's nothing, really nothing to turn off
Just Louise and her lover so entwined
And these visions of Johanna that conquer my mind

In the empty lot where the ladies play blindman's bluff with the key chain
And the all-night girls they whisper of escapades out on the "D" train
We can hear the night watchman click his flashlight
Ask himself if it's him or them that's really insane
Louise, she's all right, she's just near
She's delicate and seems like the mirror
But she just makes it all too concise and too clear
That Johanna's not here
The ghost of 'lectricity howls in the bones of her face
Where these visions of Johanna have now taken my place

Now, little boy lost, he takes himself so seriously
He brags of his misery, he likes to live dangerously
And when bringing her name up
He speaks of a farewell kiss to me
He's sure got a lotta gall to be so useless and all
Muttering small talk at the wall while I'm in the hall
How can I explain?
Oh, it's so hard to get on
And these visions of Johanna, they kept me up past the dawn

Inside the museums, Infinity goes up on trial
Voices echo this is what salvation must be like after a while
But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues
You can tell by the way she smiles
See the primitive wallflower freeze
When the jelly-faced women all sneeze
Hear the one with the mustache say, "Jeeze
I can't find my knees"
Oh, jewels and binoculars hang from the head of the mule
But these visions of Johanna, they make it all seem so cruel

The peddler now speaks to the countess who's pretending to care for him
Sayin', "Name me someone that's not a parasite and I'll go out and say a prayer for him"
But like Louise always says
"Ya can't look at much, can ya man?"
As she, herself, prepares for him
And Madonna, she still has not showed
We see this empty cage now corrode
Where her cape of the stage once had flowed
The fiddler, he now steps to the road
He writes ev'rything's been returned which was owed
On the back of the fish truck that loads
While my conscience explodes
The harmonicas play the skeleton keys and the rain
And these visions of Johanna are now all that re
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Re: Noah's Great Rainbow

Unread postby Lukethedrifter » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 09:32:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere's Dylan's song about 'repressed homos', Ballad of a Thin Man (at least that's what I think it's about):

That's a shallow way to listen to Dylan. But I guess, to each his own. Anyone get to watch the recentl Dylan Documentery on PBS monday and tuesday?
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Re: Noah's Great Rainbow

Unread postby Lukethedrifter » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 10:22:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')i]"Hunger pays a heavy price to the falling gods of speed and steel."



That's a Dylan line. Seems quite telling by itself. With the song, it's still quite telling. On Empire Burlesque.

bur·lesque (bər-lĕsk')
n.
A literary or dramatic work that ridicules a subject either by presenting a solemn subject in an undignified style or an inconsequential subject in a dignified style. See synonyms at caricature.
A ludicrous or mocking imitation; a travesty: The antics of the defense attorneys turned the trial into a burlesque of justice.
A variety show characterized by broad ribald comedy, dancing, and striptease.
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Re: Noah's Great Rainbow

Unread postby holmes » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 12:03:00

Dylan I one of my top five favorites.
I havent even heard some of those yet PMS
I like this one

Darkness at the break of noon
Shadows even the silver spoon
The handmade blade, the child's balloon
Eclipses both the sun and moon
To understand you know too soon
There is no sense in trying.

Pointed threats, they bluff with scorn
Suicide remarks are torn
From the fools gold mouthpiece
The hollow horn plays wasted words
Proved to warn
That he not busy being born
Is busy dying.

Temptation's page flies out the door
You follow, find yourself at war
Watch waterfalls of pity roar
You feel to moan but unlike before
You discover
That you'd just be
One more person crying.

So don't fear if you hear
A foreign sound to you ear
It's alright, Ma, I'm only sighing.

As some warn victory, some downfall
Private reasons great or small
Can be seen in the eyes of those that call
To make all that should be killed to crawl
While others say don't hate nothing at all
Except hatred.

Disillusioned words like bullets bark
As human gods aim for their marks
Made everything from toy guns that sparks
To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark
It's easy to see without looking too far
That not much
Is really sacred.

While preachers preach of evil fates
Teachers teach that knowledge waits
Can lead to hundred-dollar plates
Goodness hides behind its gates
But even the President of the United States
Sometimes must have
To stand naked.

An' though the rules of the road have been lodged
It's only people's games that you got to dodge
And it's alright, Ma, I can make it.

Advertising signs that con you
Into thinking you're the one
That can do what's never been done
That can win what's never been won
Meantime life outside goes on
All around you.

You loose yourself, you reappear
You suddenly find you got nothing to fear
Alone you stand without nobody near
When a trembling distant voice, unclear
Startles your sleeping ears to hear
That somebody thinks
They really found you.

A question in your nerves is lit
Yet you know there is no answer fit to satisfy
Insure you not to quit
To keep it in your mind and not forget
That it is not he or she or them or it
That you belong to.

Although the masters make the rules
For the wise men and the fools
I got nothing, Ma, to live up to.

For them that must obey authority
That they do not respect in any degree
Who despite their jobs, their destinies
Speak jealously of them that are free
Cultivate their flowers to be
Nothing more than something
They invest in.

While some on principles baptized
To strict party platforms ties
Social clubs in drag disguise
Outsiders they can freely criticize
Tell nothing except who to idolize
And then say God Bless him.

While one who sings with his tongue on fire
Gargles in the rat race choir
Bent out of shape from society's pliers
Cares not to come up any higher
But rather get you down in the hole
That he's in.

But I mean no harm nor put fault
On anyone that lives in a vault
But it's alright, Ma, if I can't please him.

Old lady judges, watch people in pairs
Limited in sex, they dare
To push fake morals, insult and stare
While money doesn't talk, it swears
Obscenity, who really cares
Propaganda, all is phony.

While them that defend what they cannot see
With a killer's pride, security
It blows the minds most bitterly
For them that think death's honesty
Won't fall upon them naturally
Life sometimes
Must get lonely.

My eyes collide head-on with stuffed graveyards
False gods, I scuff
At pettiness which plays so rough
Walk upside-down inside handcuffs
Kick my legs to crash it off
Say okay, I have had enough
What else can you show me ?

And if my thought-dreams could been seen
They'd probably put my head in a guillotine
But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only.
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Re: Noah's Great Rainbow

Unread postby holmes » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 12:06:36

Dylan was hetero. He was with Joan Biaez for years. So becuase he was a free spirit real american drifter who didnt sit down and consume himself and breed like good little american consumers and consume newborns hes gay?
Or what?
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Re: Noah's Great Rainbow

Unread postby holmes » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 12:09:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lukethedrifter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere's Dylan's song about 'repressed homos', Ballad of a Thin Man (at least that's what I think it's about):

That's a shallow way to listen to Dylan. But I guess, to each his own. Anyone get to watch the recentl Dylan Documentery on PBS monday and tuesday?


yes I watched it it was great. So now we cant say "repressed homos" now?

how sould we say. "The terribly poor downtrodden misunderstood homosexuals"?
Is that better PC?
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Re: Noah's Great Rainbow

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 12:16:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lukethedrifter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere's Dylan's song about 'repressed homos', Ballad of a Thin Man (at least that's what I think it's about):

That's a shallow way to listen to Dylan. But I guess, to each his own. Anyone get to watch the recentl Dylan Documentery on PBS monday and tuesday?
Nothing shallow about it. Read those lyrics and that's what Mr. Jones comes across as. Don't make me do the full exegesis, you can do it too.
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Re: Noah's Great Rainbow

Unread postby Lukethedrifter » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 20:22:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lukethedrifter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere's Dylan's song about 'repressed homos', Ballad of a Thin Man (at least that's what I think it's about):

That's a shallow way to listen to Dylan. But I guess, to each his own. Anyone get to watch the recentl Dylan Documentery on PBS monday and tuesday?
Nothing shallow about it. Read those lyrics and that's what Mr. Jones comes across as. Don't make me do the full exegesis, you can do it too.


Yea, yea, yea. I've heard it and I've seen it and lies in place. I know the analogy works and I find it funny myself. However, I can find 10 different things that fit just as well and are in an entire different realm. The beautiful thing about Dylan is the fact that there are a hundred differnt perspectives and they all work so well. Even that, that I mentioned above is just that, my own interpretation. I do find it good fun though to listen to a 60 hour Bob Dylan marathon with peak oil in mind. It's weird. At times I swear that Bob was best friend's with old Hubbert himself. That all he's really been writing about for the last 40 years is the destructions and reasons for the turn of civilization post PO. I know however that's it's not real. I think he was writing about many differnt things that happen to have the same kind of consequences. So many things related.

But about that homo song. Yea, I'll bet Dylan was grinning to himself when he wrote that thinking of all the sexual conatations. I bet was his own pratical joke. So, maybe you're right, I don't know.
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Re: Noah's Great Rainbow

Unread postby Lukethedrifter » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 20:42:04

And one of my favorite Peak Oil Bob Songs (from the newer collections):



"Mississippi"

"Love And Theft"
2001



Every step of the way we walk the line
Your days are numbered, so are mine
Time is pilin' up, we struggle and we scrape
We're all boxed in, nowhere to escape

City's just a jungle, more games to play
Trapped in the heart of it, trying to get away
I was raised in the country, I been workin' in the town
I been in trouble ever since I set my suitcase down

Got nothing for you, I had nothing before
Don't even have anything for myself anymore
Sky full of fire, pain pourin' down
Nothing you can sell me, I'll see you around

All my powers of expression and thoughts so sublime
Could never do you justice in reason or rhyme
Only one thing I did wrong
Stayed in Mississippi a day too long

Well, the devil's in the alley, mule's in the stall
Say anything you wanna, I have heard it all
I was thinkin' about the things that Rosie said
I was dreaming I was sleeping in Rosie's bed

Walking through the leaves, falling from the trees
Feeling like a stranger nobody sees
So many things that we never will undo
I know you're sorry, I'm sorry too

Some people will offer you their hand and some won't
Last night I knew you, tonight I don't
I need somethin' strong to distract my mind
I'm gonna look at you 'til my eyes go blind

Well I got here following the southern star
I crossed that river just to be where you are
Only one thing I did wrong
Stayed in Mississippi a day too long

Well my ship's been split to splinters and it's sinking fast
I'm drownin' in the poison, got no future, got no past
But my heart is not weary, it's light and it's free
I've got nothin' but affection for all those who've sailed with me

Everybody movin' if they ain't already there
Everybody got to move somewhere
Stick with me baby, stick with me anyhow
Things should start to get interesting right about now

My clothes are wet, tight on my skin
Not as tight as the corner that I painted myself in
I know that fortune is waitin' to be kind
So give me your hand and say you'll be mine

Well, the emptiness is endless, cold as the clay
You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way
Only one thing I did wrong
Stayed in Mississippi a day too long
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Re: Noah's Great Rainbow

Unread postby mgibbons19 » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 20:44:55

Much more appropriate to Peak Oil and the post-industrial economic landscape than whether or not Dylan was writing gay-joke songs is Springsteen:

Born down in a dead man's town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
'Til you spend half your life just covering up

[chorus:]
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.

I got in a little hometown jam
And so they put a rifle in my hands
Sent me off to Vietnam
To go and kill the yellow man

[chorus]

Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man says "Son if it was up to me"
I go down to see the V.A. man
He said "Son don't you understand"

[chorus]

I had a buddy at Khe Sahn
Fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still there, he's all gone
He had a little girl in Saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms

Down in the shadow of the penitentiary
Out by the gas fires of the refinery
I'm ten years down the road
Nowhere to run, ain't got nowhere to go

I'm a long gone Daddy in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
I'm a cool rocking Daddy in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
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Re: Noah's Great Rainbow

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 00:06:43

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But about that homo song. Yea, I'll bet Dylan was grinning to himself when he wrote that thinking of all the sexual conatations. I bet was his own pratical joke. So, maybe you're right, I don't know.
My guess is that it started out as a joke and morphed into something more serious. If you hear the song, which you have of course, it's very eerie sounding. The imagery reads like a series of disturbing dreams. Mr. Jones is not gay - he has repressed homosexual tendencies. The whole psychoanalytic thing was very big in those days. There are tip offs that that's what going on here: He wonders what he will say when he gets home, i.e. he's feeling guilty. The one-eyed midget (ahem) hands him a 'bone' and he says "impossible!' The result is that Mr. Jones is a 'nerd', a 'geek' etc. because he doesn't even know his own self and tries to hide from his inner self. Ever see that movie Don't Look Back? Remember when Dylan was in a discussion with the square guy who was sitting down while talking about friends and whatnot? Dylan was wry and 'hip' while the poor slob he was talking with seemed rigid and clueless. Similar sort of thing going on here. It was 1965, I believe. Ballad Of A Thin Man was a brilliant joke and then some.
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Re: Noah's Great Rainbow

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 18:23:10

A couple of other historical remarks about this: Back in the early days of cinema there were a bunch of movies with William Powell and Myrna Loi about the 'Thin Man'. Now William Powell was supposed to be some kind of 30's version of hip. He pranced around as an effeminate alcoholic. But he wasn't gay. That's my guess where the title comes from for Ballad of a Thin Man. Another interesting note is that Dylan hung around alot with Allen Ginsberg. Ginsberg is famous for his poem Howl which starts out with the memorable lines:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked,

dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix,

angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night,

who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness of cold-water flats 'doating across the tops of cities contemplating jazz,


Ginsberg was a 'homo' poet, a pretty good one too. When Dylan was 20 years old or so and made a name for himself in New York with his musical talents and unusual persona (he was said to resemble a cross between a choir boy and a hood) Ginsberg, who was already famous, introduced himself into the entourage by saying who he was and that 'he wanted to fuck bobby'. In the 60's Dylan was sporting more and more a hermaphrodite image. Then he got married and then he got religion. Seems the whole scene was bumming him out. Roy Masters, the unique radio guru was apparently the catalyst.
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What music makes the best background for an urban food riot?

Unread postby Jenab6 » Sun 01 Jan 2006, 23:14:20

And why?

Here's my vote.

The Four Seasons, by Vivaldi.

The reason: The sheer incongruity. The contrast between a heavenly orchestra playing this upbeat European classical tune and a rampaging, howling, bloody mob of inner city denizens engaged in a battle to the finish (with the howling somewhat muted so you can better hear the music) over the last pound bag of beans would generate tremendous comedy.
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Re: What music makes the best background for an urban food r

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 01 Jan 2006, 23:25:08

you're sick! :-D
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Re: What music makes the best background for an urban food r

Unread postby Jenab6 » Sun 01 Jan 2006, 23:39:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'y')ou're sick! :-D

Well, it would have to be choreographed to match the violence with the music for the maximum effect. At some point, several struggling contestants would rip open the plastic bag, sending the beans into the gutter. Then it's a bean-by-bean fight. Less strategy, more tactics. Play on, Vivaldi!
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Re: What music makes the best background for an urban food r

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 00:14:06

Well, if you want to heighten the macabre contrast, how about Pachelbel's Canon in D Major?
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Re: What music makes the best background for an urban food r

Unread postby Jenab6 » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 00:35:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')ell, if you want to heighten the macabre contrast, how about Pachelbel's Canon in D Major?

The Canon in D might actually be quite good for some close-up, slow motion film clips of especially graphic violence, knifings and such.
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Re: What music makes the best background for an urban food r

Unread postby 0mar » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 02:52:48

cop killer - ice T
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