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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby newhunter-gatherer » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 05:39:56

Yep ,that Korean chick is a little minxie :razz: . Quite a contrast to one of the 'member photos' at the side of her :lol:

Qwerty, perhaps you ought to lower your expectations a bit...
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby katkinkate » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 06:00:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('qwerty', '.')...With peak oil coming too bad but I don't think we will ever have the hardware to support the software to find the ultimate quest for the perfect woman.

Maybe in my dreams..


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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby Concerned » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 06:01:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('qwerty', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', 'Y')ou would enjoy the movie "Looker".

Bummer for you that industrial civilization will crash before they come out with affordable stepford sex robots.



Its not about sex. I'm talking about the perfect VISUAL IMAGE of the perfect girl/woman. There are many forms of perfection, a perfect Chess game, a perfect form of Government, a perfect Operating System, a perfect equation, etc. But as a member of the male species I find the idea of the perfect woman most interesting and most fascinating.


I got news for you. There is no such thing. For some men it may be large breasts others like small breasts. Some may prefer a particular race or height. Some may like a hair color, a tight ass or a large round ass.

Same with the chess game how do you measure a perfect chess game? It's an absurd proposition. A perfect chess game is one that you might lose to your twelve year old son after being chased around the board although on so called technical merits the game could have been closed in six moves or less.

If you believe you will find a perfect woman, car, movie, ball game, whatever else... I'd say you'll be looking a long time and have plenty of people more than willing to offer alternative suggestions based on their preferance.
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 06:09:57

This thread is incredibly juvenile. Actually its a good representation of what is wrong with the modern world. Instead of having sex with real live women, you guys would rather drool over a CRT image. Guess what. Ain't none of you gonna rate a Bollywood star. Pathetic. People are more into gawking at an electronic image than in living in reality.
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby Aaron » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 07:30:51

You could spend your entire life looking for the perfect woman... & it would not be a wasted life.

Hopefully before you die, you will realize the truth...

They are all perfect... warts & all.
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby qwerty » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 10:10:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')his thread is incredibly juvenile. Actually its a good representation of what is wrong with the modern world. Instead of having sex with real live women, you guys would rather drool over a CRT image. Guess what. Ain't none of you gonna rate a Bollywood star. Pathetic. People are more into gawking at an electronic image than in living in reality.


Just how is this thread incredibly juvenile? I posted this in the psychology section because I believe it has a lot to do with the male psyche.

Everyone knows the Little Mermaid story right? (NOT the Disney version) It could be explained by the irrationality of the male psyche. We live in a society that is upside down and inside out, so beware of everything ‘society deems correct’ because more often than not it is leading south not north. No one is going to tell you the truth, certaintly not faux news and the US gov, for the ultimate real truth don’t look to some book called the Bible, search within yourself. Right or wrong is what you deem to be right or wrong.

Anyway, the Prince was attracted to the girl that saved him from the ship wreck, he fell in love with her image even though he was in a semi-coma state and couldn’t thank her or talk to her. From then on, and after he got well, he was always ‘searching’ for the girl that saved him, whom he was now hopelessly in love with. Then one day at Church he meets a girl that looks so similar to the one that he had visions of during the ship wreck that he finally ‘gives up’ on THE girl and basically says to himself, since this Christian girl looks so much like her [the mermaid] I’ll just settle for less and pretend she IS her.

But all this time the true mermaid was with the prince all along, but without her voice she could have no means of telling him.

The ultimate irony in this is that if we are to believe each individual ‘instance’ of a person is unique, distinct, irreplaceable, and special, and that the ‘identity’ is in the soul (ie self-identity, self-awareness, the quality of knowing ‘what it is like’ to be the self) then why did the Prince use PHYSICAL attributes to mark who was who at all? Doesn’t make any sense right???

The Prince never did fall in love with THE mermaid herself, he fell in love with an illusion, a image or projection [which is an approximation representation] of the physical mermaid in his mind that he later distorted and hyped to epic proportions [setting himself up doomed to disappointment and failure of course]

So ask yourself what is it exactly about YOU that make YOU who YOU ARE? You soon find out that you are not your physical looks, mental attributes, temperament, none of these! In fact this leads me to believe all souls are the one and the same, and we associate ‘different aspects’ with different ‘people’

Modern society dictates don't judge a person by his/her/its looks. I say thats pure BS. Infact given the fact that when you realize 'you' don't really even exists, then so called 'dead' images, attributes, qualities, these abstract platonic 'existences' all of a sudden all take on a LIFE of its own doesn't it? Ever thought about it that way? That patterns/information are to a degree self cognizant and self appreciating? Existence exists. Everything has merit, our society is discriminating against looks because it is ashamed of itself. Images are just as 'real' as a personality.

Why do you hate computers so much smallpoxgirl? I don’t drool over a CRT image I have a LCD. But that’s besides the point, if you read what I wrote you will realize that I said the current hardware is way to primitive and unfortunately due to peak oil, WWIII, housing bust, we won’t ever have the needed hardware/software…. Maybe you feel inadequate about your own self image and need to defend it or something, I don’t know.. Just guessing… But you realize mathematically there can only be ONE perfect girl, that means all others are imperfect. The search for perfection has been going on for thousands of years, I was simply hoping we’d finally figure out the PERFECT girl/woman before we hit back to the stone ages.

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No such thing? Where did you get that from? For one you measure the perfect chess game by starting out with the perfect chess algorithm/engine and using the perfect hardware, then you set it to something like 1 month per move, computer against computer, and in a decade you will get the perfect chess game. It would be like a 5000 Elo player vs another 5000 Elo player (all computer of course) and there will be no bad sacrifices, no wrong pawn moves, no stupid careless blunders, etc. It will be top flight chess of the highest caliber perfection pitted against perfection for the ultimate perfect chess game sequence ever!

Check out the Rybka 2.1mp chess engine. Installed in any UCI Interface and play
The engine against itself without any opening book at set it to a ridiculous high time limit, 40 moves in 8 hours or longer, and make sure you have great hardware, then after like 3 days you will be rewarded with a ‘near’ perfect game that humans GM’s are not capable of ever playing.

The perfect girl exists inside of a 3 ft by 1 ft by 6 ft volume. Like I said earlier, carve out the excess junk and you are left with perfection.

Wildrose I disagree with you. Think about what you are saying. If I can somehow ‘tell’/’know’ that an image is NOT perfect, in order for my brain to do so I must have a key embedded somewhere of a perfect image! How else can I KNOW something is NOT perfect, without a definition of PERFECTION itself. So lets say magic happens and I suddenly get a PERFECT image of a woman on my desktop wallpaper (and I mean TRUE perfection here) then would I KNOW it was perfect? Yes! Therefore I KNEW all along, the image was embedded in my subconscious.

As humans we can only experience the physical sensations of what we are. A snake can see infrared, can you? No. Why not? You are not a snake and do not possess the properties of a snake. So human perfection is simply what is perfect to humans. It does exists.

As for being far to critical, there can only be one perfect image, the rest 3.2 billion actual females are definitely imperfect, that’s not being critical, its called saying it as it is.
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby qwerty » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 10:43:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('keekles', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')his thread is incredibly juvenile. Actually its a good representation of what is wrong with the modern world. Instead of having sex with real live women, you guys would rather drool over a CRT image. Guess what. Ain't none of you gonna rate a Bollywood star. Pathetic. People are more into gawking at an electronic image than in living in reality.

Sorry, SPG. I should have anticipated the gawking reaction, but as a woman myself, this subject and the images have the same affect on me as an picture of somebody's knee cap or hang nail. It's just mehhh...

Anyway, I was just posting pics of what is considered beautiful in pop culture via various message boards I lurk in. Highly photoshopped, fake pretty women images. As Concerned and WildRose said, this perfectionism does not exist in real life.


Pop culture doesn't know jack diddly squat. Those images you posted are actually pretty disgusting. None of those woman look good at all. Infact all so called Hollywood Models/Celebs stars etc are butt ugly. Every single last one of them are butt ugly. We live in a world where a monkey gets to call the shots, and butt ugly homo sapiens are touted as the hottest woman on earth. now thats pathetic. That's not even perfectionism, that is pure embarrasement.

A perfect woman doesn't need makeup at all.
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby rwwff » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 11:07:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('qwerty', 'A') perfect woman doesn't need makeup at all.


The woman doesn't need it.

The camera does. Our eyes and visual part of our cortex do things that a camera can't. Without the makeup, your perfect woman will look like a washed out, contrastless manequin with fur on camera.
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby WildRose » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 11:42:30

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Wildrose I disagree with you. Think about what you are saying. If I can somehow ‘tell’/’know’ that an image is NOT perfect, in order for my brain to do so I must have a key embedded somewhere of a perfect image! How else can I KNOW something is NOT perfect, without a definition of PERFECTION itself. So lets say magic happens and I suddenly get a PERFECT image of a woman on my desktop wallpaper (and I mean TRUE perfection here) then would I KNOW it was perfect? Yes! Therefore I KNEW all along, the image was embedded in my subconscious.



"Magic happens"? "TRUE perfection"? What is flawed about this thinking is that, in spite of all you say about knowing if an image is perfect or not, it's still entirely subjective. Maybe I can illustrate this with a small example.

I've been told I'm lucky to have a nice nose. Despite all of my imperfections, I have a nice nose. But, you may think my nose is imperfect and therefore I would be imperfect.

Who's to say whether the image you seek has a perfect nose, perfect hair, perfect legs, etc., etc. Only YOU! Whether or not all the parts that make up a beautiful woman are perfect is something that only the individual observer can decide. It's completely subjective. How many perfect women are there in the world? Either none, or millions!
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby emailking » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 11:49:34

You are not going to be able to come up with a set of standards for perfection and then find such a girl. Even if you could find a girl that matched your first 10 standards, she probably fails on the 11th, for example. You're certainly not going to be able to do this by searching the internet. Facial blemishes can't be seen as well. Still pictures won't convey her personality. And you certainly aren't going to know how good she is in bed!

This whole idea is very relative. I have found certain girls "perfect" before. I knew they had flaws, but I didn't care, I was so taken with them. Perfection in my mind, was defined by the girls as they were, so any "flaws" they had were perfect by definition. It's easy to see through this nonsense once the mindset fades, but while under the spell, nothing could convince me otherwise.

I don't reccomend spending too much time thinking about this. Finding someone that perfect for *you* should be the goal. And I do think there is a tendancy to ignore certain "flaws" or to just accept them when you really love someone.
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby qwerty » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 12:17:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'Y')ou are not going to be able to come up with a set of standards for perfection and then find such a girl. Even if you could find a girl that matched your first 10 standards, she probably fails on the 11th, for example. You're certainly not going to be able to do this by searching the internet. Facial blemishes can't be seen as well. Still pictures won't convey her personality. And you certainly aren't going to know how good she is in bed!

This whole idea is very relative. I have found certain girls "perfect" before. I knew they had flaws, but I didn't care, I was so taken with them. Perfection in my mind, was defined by the girls as they were, so any "flaws" they had were perfect by definition. It's easy to see through this nonsense once the mindset fades, but while under the spell, nothing could convince me otherwise.

I don't reccomend spending too much time thinking about this. Finding someone that perfect for *you* should be the goal. And I do think there is a tendancy to ignore certain "flaws" or to just accept them when you really love someone.


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I'm not talking about 'finding' anyone in real life. I'm pretty sure by now that no 'perfect' girl existence in physical reality on this earth. But that doesn't mean a hypothetical girl that follows the contraints of still being a 'human' can't be perfect. We can use computer software to perfect the image, to extrapolate what WOULD be the perfect girl, even though she does not exists in reality, but rather has the innate potential of existing. (ie follows the rules of nature)

Your mind is too narrow. You accept imperfect girls as perfect becuase its a human relationship and you yourself is vastly imperfect, and in a relationship looks are somewhat mostly secondary anyway... thats besides the point,. your arguements are mute because as I said in the first post, I am simply talking about LOOKS only.

A girl/woman that looks PERFECT in each and every way, no flaws whatsoever. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Fine with me if you want to pretend your gf is the perfect looking female, but you are only fooling yourself. It better to know the absolute truth first, then make a decision based on emotion.
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby qwerty » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 12:19:13

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Wildrose I disagree with you. Think about what you are saying. If I can somehow ‘tell’/’know’ that an image is NOT perfect, in order for my brain to do so I must have a key embedded somewhere of a perfect image! How else can I KNOW something is NOT perfect, without a definition of PERFECTION itself. So lets say magic happens and I suddenly get a PERFECT image of a woman on my desktop wallpaper (and I mean TRUE perfection here) then would I KNOW it was perfect? Yes! Therefore I KNEW all along, the image was embedded in my subconscious.



"Magic happens"? "TRUE perfection"? What is flawed about this thinking is that, in spite of all you say about knowing if an image is perfect or not, it's still entirely subjective. Maybe I can illustrate this with a small example.

I've been told I'm lucky to have a nice nose. Despite all of my imperfections, I have a nice nose. But, you may think my nose is imperfect and therefore I would be imperfect.

Who's to say whether the image you seek has a perfect nose, perfect hair, perfect legs, etc., etc. Only YOU! Whether or not all the parts that make up a beautiful woman are perfect is something that only the individual observer can decide. It's completely subjective. How many perfect women are there in the world? Either none, or millions!


Certaintly not the latter.
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby DigitalCubano » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 13:50:57

I'm glad you posted this topic as it makes it pretty easy to pick out the sea cows & chuds from the beautiful people on here. The former tend to get defensive. :P Judging from the reponses thus far, it seems that the latter are in short supply on here.

Anyhow, you seek "perfection." Fine. But you have to provide some set of metrics by which to define perfection. What is your objective function? Surely, one can be derived after looking at enough photos. I don't think the problem is beyond the scope of modern techniques, CPUs and software. Let's get cracking! I want to see if the perfect woman can give me that, um, special feeling... :-D
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby qwerty » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 14:39:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DigitalCubano', 'I')'m glad you posted this topic as it makes it pretty easy to pick out the sea cows & chuds from the beautiful people on here.


It sure does, doesn't it? The truly beautiful people (people who are also beautiful on the inside) whether they be male or female, would not feel the compulsion to defend and belittle, and in essence to say that the ultimate perfection is non-perfection. What utter nonsense! These people 'solve' a problem by going around it, by making it a total non-issue, but such acts by their very nature is meaningless. The whole idea is to find a epitome of ultimate perfection, and perfection by its very nature is lonely up there at the top. If like Aaron said, all females are perfect warts and all, then what would be the point of a beauty pageant? Its like the Chess Federation saying all players are perfect. Nonsense!

In this day and age everything is perfected by computers and the mathematical process. Airliner pilots aren’t complaining that Fly-by-wire or Fly-by-light and Flying by Data, using the FMC or doing CAT III unassisted landings are ‘cheating’ them of their career. They aren’t complaining that computers are ‘evil’ or that anything but hand flying is blasphemous. They don’t mind the fact that any old 486 processor on board the FCC could easily fly the jumbojet hundreds of times more accurately and more fuel efficiently than the best of Airline Transport Pilots could ever hope to perform.

In the same way, we are quickly approaching the era when Chess Engines are almost unbeatable by the world’s Grand Master. Pretty soon the average PC (1Ghz with 1GB RAM) with the right software will never be beat by any human being alive or otherwise.
I don’t see the GM complaining that its wrong to make a perfect chess program, and instead we should not stare at a CRT all day long and we should like smallpoxgirl suggests play ‘real chess’. I please, giveme a break……


I’m simply suggesting humanity creates/defines/discovers/finds/invents the perfect human girl/woman in physical form down to the last nook and cranky. We should have ONE grand unified ideal of one specific ‘perfect woman’. The ultimate perfection in each and every way. Its not just a perfect nose, with perfect eyes, with perfect hair, etc… That is a gross misconception. You will not get a perfect anything by putting together a ‘perfect’ nose,eye, lip, head,… It doesn’t work that way. Perfection is holistic, it is more than mere sum of its parts. The perfect woman isn’t some set of agreed upon ideals mashed incorporated into a female that meets exact precise ratios. That would look robotic, and fake, and not lovely at all. It would have to be natural, holistic, all around beauty, one with a strikingly unique ‘personality’ to it, dynamic, living, and certainly very enchanting and inspiring. Unlike the many people on this forum that are defensive and shortsighted, true perfection is very ‘holy’ and special, something that cannot really be put into words, awe inspiring, like touching infinity and having it touch you back.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DigitalCubano', '
')The former tend to get defensive. :P Judging from the reponses thus far, it seems that the latter are in short supply on here.

Anyhow, you seek "perfection." Fine. But you have to provide some set of metrics by which to define perfection. What is your objective function? Surely, one can be derived after looking at enough photos. I don't think the problem is beyond the scope of modern techniques, CPUs and software. Let's get cracking! I want to see if the perfect woman can give me that, um, special feeling... :-D
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby Venerye » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 15:16:21

If I were to "experience" that one perfect chess game, would it not render any future chess game to be completely pointless/disappointing because it will be imperfect? Already you have said that every woman you have seen is imperfect or ugly (= a disappointment), and this without having ever seen your perfect image yet. If you broadcast this perfect image to the whole of humanity, so innately wired to recognize perfection (so you contend), is there not a danger that imperfection will no longer be acceptable or even tolerable? So if we construct images of the one perfect man and the one perfect woman and everyone in the world can gaze upon them at will, what are the repercussions?

Perhaps the simpler question is: What are the consequences of discovering this perfect image? What will you do afterwards? I don't really understand your goal here.

And if you are to construct this "perfect woman" on a screen, using whatever algorithms and "golden ratios" to comply with the "rules of nature" etc. and there it is, the image of the woman who by the laws of mathematics and physics and whatever else is the most beautiful woman possible - what if even she does not fulfill everything you thought she would fulfill? Or if even one viewer amongst the whole of humanity does not instinctively recognize her beauty as the pinnacle of beauty? It seems like you are not even willing to entertain this possibility.
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby emailking » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 15:21:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('qwerty', '
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I'm not talking about 'finding' anyone in real life. I'm pretty sure by now that no 'perfect' girl existence in physical reality on this earth. But that doesn't mean a hypothetical girl that follows the contraints of still being a 'human' can't be perfect. We can use computer software to perfect the image, to extrapolate what WOULD be the perfect girl, even though she does not exists in reality, but rather has the innate potential of existing. (ie follows the rules of nature)

Your mind is too narrow. You accept imperfect girls as perfect becuase its a human relationship and you yourself is vastly imperfect, and in a relationship looks are somewhat mostly secondary anyway... thats besides the point,. your arguements are mute because as I said in the first post, I am simply talking about LOOKS only.

A girl/woman that looks PERFECT in each and every way, no flaws whatsoever. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Fine with me if you want to pretend your gf is the perfect looking female, but you are only fooling yourself. It better to know the absolute truth first, then make a decision based on emotion.


Well gee, here I was trying to give you some advice and you end up slamming me. Sorry for posting.
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby emailking » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 15:24:21

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It sure does, doesn't it? The truly beautiful people (people who are also beautiful on the inside) whether they be male or female, would not feel the compulsion to defend and belittle, and in essence to say that the ultimate perfection is non-perfection


Actually, after reading this point, I conclude you're just a jerk. I obviously wasn't trying to belittle anyone. (Although now I'm belittling you, well deserved :-P )
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby qwerty » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 15:30:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Venerye', 'I')f I were to "experience" that one perfect chess game, would it not render any future chess game to be completely pointless/disappointing because it will be imperfect? Already you have said that every woman you have seen is imperfect or ugly (= a disappointment), and this without having ever seen your perfect image yet. If you broadcast this perfect image to the whole of humanity, so innately wired to recognize perfection (so you contend), is there not a danger that imperfection will no longer be acceptable or even tolerable? So if we construct images of the one perfect man and the one perfect woman and everyone in the world can gaze upon them at will, what are the repercussions?

Perhaps the simpler question is: What are the consequences of discovering this perfect image? What will you do afterwards? I don't really understand your goal here.

And if you are to construct this "perfect woman" on a screen, using whatever algorithms and "golden ratios" to comply with the "rules of nature" etc. and there it is, the image of the woman who by the laws of mathematics and physics and whatever else is the most beautiful woman possible - what if even she does not fulfill everything you thought she would fulfill? Or if even one viewer amongst the whole of humanity does not instinctively recognize her beauty as the pinnacle of beauty? It seems like you are not even willing to entertain this possibility.


Computer chess interests me because it is trying to use a combination of raw processor power & Brute Force, with elegant and super efficient algorithms to provide the best SOLUTION to a multivariable dynamic and ever changing 'problem'.

Life, like chess, is also a problem that has many solutions. Humans very seldom make the best choices, but so far sometimes our ESP and intuition and subconscious can still beat computers and brute force thinking.

The world at large can be seen as the grand chessboard that is a gigantic 'problem' just waiting to be 'solved' with the optimal solution. With peak oil, peak water, global warming and dimming, fall of us empire, decline of petrodollar hegemony, and ever increasing geopolitical tensions throughout the world due to intrinsic lack of physical resources and extractable energy, our world and future timeline does look very very bleak and gloomy indeed. If only we had a computer program that would calculate all the variables, all the possible moves of each nation against one another in this dynamic arena, and output the best optimal path to take at each crucial junction in consciousness-space-time.

So let me get to the point. Chess has a finite number of pieces, with a finite number of squares, and a finite number of rules. Chess is also a game that has a finite number of moves, and only three endgame possibilities: Win, Lose, draw.

Thus, Chess is FINITE. In that sense, every game that COULD ever be played, every combination of moves, every permutation and every possible choice and action at every step along the way is simply another BRANCH to take. Some branches branch out more than others, some branches are long than others, but eventually when one finishes out all the branches you arrive at the leaf of win, lose or draw.

It is akin to the multiverse omninum existence that we live in, each and every possible different action at every singular distinct point in consciousness-space-time branches off into a different universe, a different dimension and a different existence. Our 'universe' is simply the one of the many that just so happened to go down *this* path in the space-time continuum timeline....

So with a perfect Chess program, with a perfect hardware (preferably quantum computer) we can 'map' out every chess game that has ever been played and that will EVER be played!!!!! There is no 'guessing' and no 'room for error'. The past, present, and future is all ONE!

So essentially even before the game ever started, before White's first move, the battle is already won or lost! (or drawn) It is a superposition of all things possible without having to do anything at all!

I don't see why not a chess program like this cannot be made.
There are only so many combinations and only so many possible ways to play the game. If we can map out every one of them, then there will be no winners and never any losers!

Imagine if CHESS was only 4*4 board with only 16 squares total and only 4 or less chess pieces per side with a miniturized board. Then it would not be difficult to write a 'perfect' chess program that knew ALL the position combinations and thus never made a mistake. (however such a smaller chess game is so simple it would be unplayable, but thats not the point) It is indeed possible to map out ALL possible games, thus making chess a 'catalog' so to speak...

A 'perfect' game of chess can be played without either side doing anything at all! Infact, like a library index system where each character branches off a unique character of the book, eventually when you get to the book you realize the index IS the contents of the book itself, then a perfect game of chess is nothing more than both sides (players) choosing from and agreeing upon which particular 'index'/'path'/'game' of chess in the grand INDEX of the totality of ALL possible games of Chess GIGANTIC COSMIC CATALOG they want to 'play'.

· THE* most perfect game of chess would simple by that ONE special unique sequence/variance within all the other possible games that stands out the most, that displays the highest level of ‘intelligent’ and flawless play from both sides that ultimately ends in a draw. The criteria of course would be the beauty of the game. In essence, the most beautiful game in Chess of all the possible games in Chess is also the PERFECT game of Chess.


They don't of course, actually 'play' at all, what they do is choose a particular timeline, a particular string of 'events' that is included in the comprehensive giant catalog of chess games, and simply let that 'game' BE. That abstract, platonic existence, simply IS, and exists... and without a need or compulsion to do *anything* from either side.

Zero and Infinity, everything and nothing, and one cannot exists without the other.




The human brain is only 3 lbs of gray matter, it fits inside a computer, it is NOT faster than a computer, simply more intelligent at being selective.
There are many flaws to human brain, mother nature is elegant and efficent, but it is NOT perfect, it is FAR from perfect.

Humans can never be perfect, at least computers have a potential of being perfect, and in theory there should be nothing stopping that from happening, least peak oil, olduvia gorge, or post industrial stone age hits before we get fusion, ZPE up and running.


The proof that chess is a draw will probably take the following steps:

1) An engine is constructed which almost never loses in practice.
2) Engine is constructed which absolutely never loses, not even with moves being taken back, etc.
3) A semi-proof such as this one is constructed.
4) The full chess minimax tree is constructed.


*THE* most perfect game of chess would simple by that ONE special unique sequence/variance within all the other possible games that stands out the most, that displays the highest level of ‘intelligent’ and flawless play from both sides that ultimately ends in a draw. The criteria of course would be the beauty of the game. In essence, the most beautiful game in Chess of all the possible games in Chess is also the PERFECT game of Chess.
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Re: The Most Beautiful girl/woman in the multiverse?

Unread postby qwerty » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 15:49:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Venerye', 'I')f I were to "experience" that one perfect chess game, would it not render any future chess game to be completely pointless/disappointing because it will be imperfect? Already you have said that every woman you have seen is imperfect or ugly (= a disappointment), and this without having ever seen your perfect image yet. If you broadcast this perfect image to the whole of humanity, so innately wired to recognize perfection (so you contend), is there not a danger that imperfection will no longer be acceptable or even tolerable? So if we construct images of the one perfect man and the one perfect woman and everyone in the world can gaze upon them at will, what are the repercussions?

Perhaps the simpler question is: What are the consequences of discovering this perfect image? What will you do afterwards? I don't really understand your goal here.

And if you are to construct this "perfect woman" on a screen, using whatever algorithms and "golden ratios" to comply with the "rules of nature" etc. and there it is, the image of the woman who by the laws of mathematics and physics and whatever else is the most beautiful woman possible - what if even she does not fulfill everything you thought she would fulfill? Or if even one viewer amongst the whole of humanity does not instinctively recognize her beauty as the pinnacle of beauty? It seems like you are not even willing to entertain this possibility.


Okay, a picture is simply a crude representation of the actual 'thing' itself. But a high resolution BMP/RAW image would work just fine for all intended purposes.

So lets again pretend this perfect girl exists in the physical world and I have and ideal perfect camera and take a digital shot.

At 2560 * 2048 resolution with 32-bit color depth
that would be:

2560 * 2048 * (2^32) = 2.25179981 * 10^16

actually it would be 2560^2048^(2^32) but my calculator doesn't do that big...

Anyways, perfection does indeed exists in the platonic/abstract plane, and if had a fast enough theoritical computer with enough CPU, RAM, Storage, and time you could go through implementing every possible combination and permuation of alll the possible sequences and end up with just about every image in the universe (some will be duplicates since finite resolution means its a crude representation) but you will also end up with the 'crude representation' of the PERFECT WOMAN! And since our our eyes/mind/conciousness is the actual limiting factor in any picture that size and resolution and color depth, then for all intents and purposes we would have randomly INVENTED the perfect image of the perfect girl simply by going down the list of all possible images...
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