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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby gollum » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 15:11:09

I just love how the new republican America somehow tags unemployed Americans who played by the rules and payed taxes the past 30 years are now somehow classified as the moochers. Then the bankers and day traders who put them in the unemployment like are the supposed job creators who cannot possibly be asked to pay more taxes.
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 15:17:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', 'I')m not sure what kind of hard labor your going to get out of 50 to 60 year old laid off office workers. Besides, doing something like that would take work away from the private sector and then you have more laid off workers.


Make work.
Perfectly happy if they wheel-chair half pound rocks from one end of a football field to the other, and back, 40 hrs a week. Show up on time, do the task, go home at "closing time".

I did discuss this earlier though, there are a whole kettle of problems that arise in trying to make such requirements hunt; but that doesn't change whether I think they'd be an improvement to the system.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')veryone wants both state and federal government to cut spending so I don't know what the unemployed are going to do. I also think its ridiculous to call them moochers. Almost all of these people would love to have a decent job.


If you are taking, but doing less work than a burger flipper; you are a moocher. Doesn't imply that I want them to starve, nor that given some really odd streak of circumstances, I might become a moocher myself. But I'll have the honesty to admit the failing, accept and be grateful for the charity of others, and try to recover until I either die, or succeed.
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby Livewire713 » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 15:19:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'I') just love how the new republican America somehow tags unemployed Americans who played by the rules and payed taxes the past 30 years are now somehow classified as the moochers. Then the bankers and day traders who put them in the unemployment like are the supposed job creators who cannot possibly be asked to pay more taxes.


Not only that but they want to punish them by putting them in some kind of a hard labor camp. I love their idea of freedom and small government.
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby gollum » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 15:26:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'I') just love how the new republican America somehow tags unemployed Americans who played by the rules and payed taxes the past 30 years are now somehow classified as the moochers. Then the bankers and day traders who put them in the unemployment like are the supposed job creators who cannot possibly be asked to pay more taxes.


Not only that but they want to punish them by putting them in some kind of a hard labor camp. I love their idea of freedom and small government.



It's not even the asking the long term unemployed to work that really irks me (I think some sort or meaningful public service might be a good thing for all) it's the meanness the right wing is showing the formally middle class in this country. Not ever again in my life will this gun owning, Christian, one time Tea party white male ever vote for another republican.
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby Livewire713 » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 15:35:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'I') just love how the new republican America somehow tags unemployed Americans who played by the rules and payed taxes the past 30 years are now somehow classified as the moochers. Then the bankers and day traders who put them in the unemployment like are the supposed job creators who cannot possibly be asked to pay more taxes.


Not only that but they want to punish them by putting them in some kind of a hard labor camp. I love their idea of freedom and small government.



It's not even the asking the long term unemployed to work that really irks me (I think some sort or meaningful public service might be a good thing for all) it's the meanness the right wing is showing the formally middle class in this country. Not ever again in my life will this gun owning, Christian, one time Tea party white male ever vote for another republican.


I know what your saying gollum but local governments are laying off employees already so what type of jobs could the government create without pissing off a whole slew of people. What your talking about is more government spending and the first thing that would need to happen is for the government to stop laying off people when there are not enough private sector jobs for all the people that want to work.
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby gollum » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 16:50:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'I') just love how the new republican America somehow tags unemployed Americans who played by the rules and payed taxes the past 30 years are now somehow classified as the moochers. Then the bankers and day traders who put them in the unemployment like are the supposed job creators who cannot possibly be asked to pay more taxes.


Not only that but they want to punish them by putting them in some kind of a hard labor camp. I love their idea of freedom and small government.



It's not even the asking the long term unemployed to work that really irks me (I think some sort or meaningful public service might be a good thing for all) it's the meanness the right wing is showing the formally middle class in this country. Not ever again in my life will this gun owning, Christian, one time Tea party white male ever vote for another republican.


I do understand things are tight, but instead of demonizing the victims maybe some original thinking would be in order. Perhaps a debt jubilee or going to a 32 hour work week, what I'm saying is that obviously the system is collapsing and the only thing the political and economic elite seem to care about is getting even richer, and if in the process of that they hang the working people of this country out to dry they seem to have not one ounce of guilt.
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby Cog » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 17:48:25

If you borrowed money from me, you owe me. Screw your debt jubilee. Sounds like you made some bad life choices and want productive people to pay the price for them.

More mooch thinking at its finest. Know the mooch by his use of fairness and debt forgiveness phraseology.
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby gollum » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 18:01:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')f you borrowed money from me, you owe me. Screw your debt jubilee. Sounds like you made some bad life choices and want productive people to pay the price for them.

More mooch thinking at its finest. Know the mooch by his use of fairness and debt forgiveness phraseology.



Don't make this personal COG, I happen to be employed and much closer to debt free than even a few months ago, so I'm not asking for a bailout. The problem with you is lack of being able to think, just how in the hell do you think these newly impoverished people will ever be able to pay "you" back is beyond me. As far the moral side of it, their tax money more than paid off our collective debts to the banks who made the bad loans in the first place.
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 18:20:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')f you borrowed money from me, you owe me. Screw your debt jubilee. Sounds like you made some bad life choices and want productive people to pay the price for them.

More mooch thinking at its finest. Know the mooch by his use of fairness and debt forgiveness phraseology.

Amazing.

You know Cog... You come on here, spout your right-wing bull@#$%, act all high-and-mighty; insult and belittle other posters, and generally come across as a smug jerk.

You think you're so great just because you own your own business. Newsflash! In the absolute grand scheme of things, YOU really count for about as much as my unemployed self does...

Which is absouletly nothing.
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby Pops » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 18:25:40

I'm with you Gollum, I have no problem with service, but paying someone to dig holes and fill them in is more for making people like Cog feel superior than addressing any problem, in another year the TEAs will return to being just biter old white guys squeezing their pennies.

Anyway, it makes more sense to show the unemployed person how to apply for a job, do an interview, learn a new skill or if all else fails put a caulk gun in his hand and send him around making all the homes Fanny and Freddie own weather tight.
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby gollum » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 18:32:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')'m with you Gollum, I have no problem with service, but paying someone to dig holes and fill them in is more for making people like Cog feel superior than addressing any problem, in another year the TEAs will return to being just biter old white guys squeezing their pennies.

Anyway, it makes more sense to show the unemployed person how to apply for a job, do an interview, learn a new skill or if all else fails put a caulk gun in his hand and send him around making all the homes Fanny and Freddie own weather tight.



I agree, and it needs to be real productive work that improves our situation not digging and filling holes. COG would like to use this as a tool to demean people as opposed to giving them some dignity and getting some things done in society.
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 18:33:49

During the Depression, the Federal Writers Project hired people to interview surviving slaves and produce reports based on their interviews. Given my background in history, I would love to do something like that, but of course, that's not in the cards with this government.
When the banksters want something, our policymakers move with the speed of Mercury and the determination of Ares. It’s only when the rest of us need something that there is paralysis.

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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby Bill Hicks » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 18:39:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'M')ore mooch thinking at its finest. Know the mooch by his use of fairness and debt forgiveness phraseology.


Yep...and the biggest moochers of all are:

1). Wall Street
2). The big banks
3). The defense contractors

Those damn moochers have stolen trillions of dollars of my tax money and I want it BACK! :badgrin:
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby Livewire713 » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 19:32:22

If you go back and look at the very first post which is Cog's he states that anyone in the military is a mooch. How in the hell can anyone that is not mentally sick even begin to think that. I just met a young man at a wedding reception recently, he's only twenty three years old and has already served two tours of duty in afghanistan. He looked like he was barely old enough to drive a car and he has spent 2 years of his life out in some shit hole half way around the world away from his home town. He was friendly and very polite, I was so impressed and honored to get to meet him. How in the hell is this young man a mooch? He hasn't even had a chance to start his life. They don't get paid hardly anything and the sad thing is that when he does get out there won't be any jobs for him or the many other thousands of young men and women that serve this country. There is more to life then money and material things.
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 19:50:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'I')t is funny how people are so brainwashed into thinking it is poor getting a $400 welfare check then is the moocher class when there are these rich bloodsuckers jetting around with billion dollar bailouts on tax payer dime. They got us serfs trained good.


Correction.. the bailouts were into the trillions.. not just money from the Treasury, our central bank printed trillions and loaned it at near 0% to America's rich, also Europe's rich, investment banks, hedge funds, even MUMMAR GADAFFI.

Mooches indeed.. there's an article up on Zerohedge, something like the half of Wall Street market cap is from Ben Bernanke. It's a bit above my head, if I read this wrong someone correct me:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ill Buckler Puts Things Back Into Perspective: "Of The Total US $15 Trillion Market Capitalization, The Fed Provided About Half Of That"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/bill-buckler-puts-things-back-perspective-total-us-15-trillion-market-capitalization-fed-provid


Of course the stock market isn't all rich dudes, average folks have 401ks and pensions so the point is.. EVERYONE IS A MOOCH, EVERYONE IS SUPPORTED BY GOVERNMENT. If you have a 401k or any stocks, you benefited from the Bernanke and bailouts. Tell me how that isn't mooch-style communism, propped up fake markets -- that is not capitalism, that's communism once government steps in, manages markets and refuses to allow businesses and hedge funds and investment banks to face the consequences of their failure.

Before picking on Grandma and her mooching heart medication, everyone should take a hard look at THEIR mooching. How about that mortgage interest deduction. Anyone who has kids gets tax bennies just for having one.. why.. world is over-populated, why does government need to reward someone for having kids..

Mooches, mooches everywhere. Google is a big mooch, they pay zero federal taxes. GE is a big mooch, no taxes there either. Facebook, again mooching tax dodgers.

Rename the thread to.. "Who isn't a mooch?"

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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 21:27:59

Still some mooches are moochier than others. That's what the problem is.
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 25 Jul 2011, 22:08:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'S')till some mooches are moochier than others. That's what the problem is.


Ok tell us which social class is moochier. And provide the dollar amounts.

When it comes to trillions of central bank / federal dollars, that trail leads straight to the Hamptons.. trillions aren't going to the ghetto..

EDIT: Here's an example of where society's money is going..

The company that makes Farmville on Facebook is getting ready to do an IPO for $20 billion dollars. We can't afford NASA anymore, yet Farmville is supposedly worth twenty billion bucks. Farmville. People clicking pretend corn on their Facebook page.
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby prajeshbhat » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 00:13:00

Yep. While the real world is crumbling in front of out eyes (which was never a paradise to begin with), people are escaping into virtual reality. Everybody has 500 friends these days. The stock prices of social networking companies are decided by their membership. If their membership is rising, desperate companies will pay anything to put their ads on these sites. It is a phenomenon Dmitry Orlov explained in his recent article.
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby gollum » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 00:28:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'E')DIT: Here's an example of where society's money is going..
The company that makes Farmville on Facebook is getting ready to do an IPO for $20 billion dollars. We can't afford NASA anymore, yet Farmville is supposedly worth twenty billion bucks. Farmville. People clicking pretend corn on their Facebook page.

Isn't that amazing in a sad way?
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Re: The Mooch Class (split from Recovery Complete)

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 02:11:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'O')k tell us which social class is moochier. And provide the dollar amounts. ... trillions aren't going to the ghetto..

As of now, all social classes are mooches. The rich and the "poor", meaning people who would considered to be rich in a hundred countries or so will be on top of the mooching list.
How many people you know that are actually DO something Six? Not sit in the office or rub each other's backs but actually produce something of value?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'E')DIT: Here's an example of where society's money is going..
The company that makes Farmville on Facebook is getting ready to do an IPO for $20 billion dollars. ... Farmville. People clicking pretend corn on their Facebook page.

Again as of today it might be worth that much, since people are willing to pay for it that much. Tomorrow, it might be worth $1, but today is what matters most.
I wouldn't mind personally paying extra for NASA and space exploration
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