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THE Mad Max Scenario Thread (merged)

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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby Sys1 » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 16:42:45

Funny that this "mad" Max seems a so wise man. Finally, perhabs he's mad just regarding to our growth paradigm. :roll:
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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby Zardoz » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 16:51:08

Nicely-done column.

Whether or not your friend actually exists, or you made him up to get the point across, doesn't matter at all. Articles like this will slowly wake people up, perhaps just a few at a time, until the reality of what we're facing becomes the conventional wisdom.

Every little bit helps.
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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby seldom_seen » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 16:52:58

great piece. thanks for sharing.
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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby gnm » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 17:00:49

I think perhaps Don is aquainted wth our own mad Max freind CV eh?

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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby Colorado-Valley » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 17:18:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'N')icely-done column. Whether or not your friend actually exists, or you made him up to get the point across, doesn't matter at all. Articles like this will slowly wake people up, perhaps just a few at a time, until the reality of what we're facing becomes the conventional wisdom. Every little bit helps.

Actually he does exist. He's the guy who pointed me to Heinberg, Savinar and dieoff.org a couple of years ago.
The column is basically a condensation of our coffee-shop conversations.
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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby Aaron » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 17:29:08

Nice Prose...
Course, he's only "Mad", if he's wrong eh?
If he's right, he's a flippin genius.
And if he's "Max, the Brain", and is correct about the future, then I'm sure he appreciates the extra carrots and stuff you'll be growing for him and his mongrel dog.
And make sure you stay in shape... he'll need a snack later.

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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby Colorado-Valley » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 17:57:01

He's the guy with all the carrots and potatoes. I've got some nice Angus cattle, so we can trade.
Really, the big problem out in the country is that farms and exurbia are so disbursed. Our rural development would be better if it were more like Europe's, with farmlands surrounding defensible villages.
We're too easy to pick off by being so far away from each other.
If it comes to that, of course ...
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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 20:54:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')rticles like this will slowly wake people up


I've found it wiser to keep retarted and stupid people asleep.
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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby TheTurtle » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 21:39:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')rticles like this will slowly wake people up

I've found it wiser to keep retarded and stupid people asleep

But when they finally wake up to the alarm of the s**t hitting the fan, they tend to wake up a lot more hostile ... :shock:
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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby Dezakin » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 21:57:33

More arguments of doom ad nauseum that are obviously false. In twenty more years people will be saying the same thing: 'Just around the corner lies our doom'
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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby frankthetank » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 23:12:18

I second that, dukat..!
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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby Falconoffury » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 23:27:52

It's obvious because you choose not to dig deep into the details.
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"There is not enough trash to go around for everyone," said Banrel, one of the participants in the cattle massacre.
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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby tsakach » Tue 14 Feb 2006, 14:17:51

Rather than dwelling on the standard peak oil doomer scenario, perhaps Max could benefit by studying nature and gain insight on how other species adapt successfully to rapidly changing conditions:

Cockroach vs Dinosaur

"The mass extinction of the dinosaurs took place 65 million years ago. So far most theories agree that the extinction was not a slow evolutionary process but one that was "leap-like" concentrated in a relatively short period of time. Increasing fossil evidences seem to give more scientific credence to a leading theory on how and why the extinction happened. This theory says that a cataclysmic bombardment of the earth surface by a gigantic meteor took place. This created a huge dust that blocked out the sunlight for a period estimates of which range from many months to a thousand years. The dinosaurs-the dominant life forms- were destroyed in turn as death went up the food chain starting with the plant life immediately dependent on sunlight. The cockroaches lived through this period. Their make-up and capabilities enabled them to survive and adapt to the new environmental conditions created by the cataclysmic changes.

The cockroaches are one of the oldest species still in existence. They are 350 million years old. They are most noted for their adaptability to changing conditions of life. Contributing to this highly developed adaptability is their large scale reproductive capacity (one cockroach can give birth to 400,000 descendants in a year) and the size, structure, and chemical make-up of their bodies. Their antennae and other sensory organs give them extreme sensitivity to light and air movements which contribute to their speed and maneuverability. Their ability to keenly sense tiny food nutrients in extremely varied and scarce environmental situations make them resourceful and resilient.

These capabilities constitute their main strengths and limitations and therefore helped define their "strategic/tactical" methods of survival. They operate mainly at night while most other animal species are asleep. Their main method of defense is rapid retreat. The final point of retreat are "bases of operation" created out of hidden places most difficult to access and less frequented by predators or killer sprays. The "bases of operations" serve as temporary protection for especially the impregnated females (who are capable of giving birth to 16-32 roaches per egg carried). These females reside in the center of the "bases" and produce new "soldiers" in the struggle for survival. Another effective method of defense is the ability of an entire cockroach concentration to scatter and quickly retreat to a new and harder to reach "base of operation" when the old one is exposed to direct assaults."
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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Tue 14 Feb 2006, 14:28:35

And how exactly does that apply to our situation?
Sometimes, "adapting successfully to rapidly changing conditions" means "reducing population".
The whole of human history is a refutation by experiment of the concept of "moral world order". - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby handforged » Wed 15 Feb 2006, 23:24:14

Ah! I, too, must be a Mad Max. I am a doomer through and through for many reasons and nothing short of the miracle required to "fix" PO appearing *and working* will change my mind. I irritate my friends for shooting holes in their optimistic theories. The one comment that stumps all optimists is that we doomers only have to be right once. :lol:
Remember that the future is what we make it, it doesn't have to be the same as today.
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Re: "My Mad Max friend"

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 17 Feb 2006, 02:35:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', '
')Really, the big problem out in the country is that farms and exurbia are so disbursed. Our rural development would be better if it were more like Europe's, with farmlands surrounding defensible villages.

We're too easy to pick off by being so far away from each other.
Those European arrangements were designed for defense in the first place, weren't they? They had their times of chaos and danger way back in the past. We're going to have something major and seriously dangerous happen, too, not too far in the future. Trouble is, we don't really know what it's going to be like or how fast it will all go down because this is so unprecedented.
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So I finally saw Mad Max

Unread postby Narz » Wed 16 May 2007, 22:59:21

Honestly, I found it to be kind of a boring movie. The wife I found quite annoying for some reason. Very bad actress. The plot was pretty predictable and they gave very little background as to what the fuck was going on.
Life, on the whole, didn't seem so bad. No one was starving. The baby had a little plastic ball, everyone's clothes seemed relatively new & clean (except the motorcycle crew anyway). Of course there seemed to be almost no people in this brave new world but maybe that was due to their isolated rural location.

The girl with her boyfriend in the colorful car was mad cute, her brief appearance was the highlight of the film (I'd be angry as hell at those motorcycle guys too though it looks like her man got the worst of it :shock: ). I wouldn't mind seeing her in a different kind of picture (though she's probably pushing fifty now :().
Anyway, what was so great about this movie that it's such a cult classic?
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Re: So I finally saw Mad Max

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Wed 16 May 2007, 23:05:27

Now go watch the other movies. None are really good, but I think the fact that the acting is poor and the music is horrible make it some sort of cult thing, like the old B movies of the 60's and early 70's.

The real doomer stuff is in the follow up flicks.
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Re: So I finally saw Mad Max

Unread postby Lore » Wed 16 May 2007, 23:06:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'A')nyway, what was so great about this movie that it's such a cult classic?

Dude... you just had to be there in the late 70s to appreciate this out of nowhere funky Aussie flick.
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