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THE International Energy Agency (IEA) Thread pt 2 (merged) A

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Re: IEA OMR for May 08

Postby TonyPrep » Tue 10 Jun 2008, 23:08:08

Mmm, strange goings on.

After posting that the graph on the front of the public OMR site, at the IEA, was showing a 1Q08 production average of 87.0, today's image shows it at slightly above 87.0 (maybe 87.05). Not a lot of change but I wonder how that happened. They referred to "extensive downward revisions" in the first quarter figures. Can a less than 200kbpd downward revision (previous estimate was 87.23) be regarded as "extensive"?
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World Faces `Oil Crisis;' IEA Ready to Tap Reserves

Postby Graeme » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 04:30:24

World Faces `Oil Crisis;' IEA Ready to Tap Reserves

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he world faces an ``oil crisis,'' and the International Energy Agency stands ready to release emergency stockpiles even as the biggest consumers discuss measures to contain spiraling demand, the agency's chief said.

Consumption in China and India, the world's fastest-growing major economies, has helped drive crude oil prices to ``abnormally high'' levels above $130 a barrel, Tanaka said. The U.S., Japan, and 25 other rich countries advised by the IEA have discussed stop-gap measures to reduce consumption, including lowering speed limits and restricting cars in cities, he said.

``We can call it an `oil crisis' given the current price, and that it continues to climb even after global efforts to cut consumption,'' Tanaka said. ``We see a critical, structural issue in the global oil market, where supply growth isn't catching up with demand.''

Unlike the oil crisis in the 1970s, which was driven by supply restraints from the Middle East, the current situation is fueled by soaring demand, the IEA chief said. Speculative investment in commodities is also a driving force behind record prices, he said.


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IEA: World is facing "oil crisis"; Emergency rese

Postby NoWorries » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 09:14:28

Graeme writes:

(Bloomberg) -- The world faces an ``oil crisis,'' and the International Energy Agency stands ready to release emergency stockpiles even as the biggest consumers discuss measures to contain spiraling demand, the agency's chief said.

``Any major oil-plant accident can cause a supply disruption,'' Executive Director Nobuo Tanaka said in an interview in Tokyo. ``We at the IEA are monitoring the oil market and preparing ourselves to call for the release of strategic petroleum reserves at any time in the event of a major disruption.''


Consumption in China and India, the world's fastest-growing major economies, has helped drive crude oil prices to ``abnormally high'' levels above $130 a barrel, Tanaka said. The U.S., Japan, and 25 other rich countries advised by the IEA have discussed stop-gap measures to reduce consumption, including lowering speed limits and restricting cars in cities, he said.

``We can call it an `oil crisis' given the current price, and that it continues to climb even after global efforts to cut consumption,'' Tanaka said. ``We see a critical, structural issue in the global oil market, where supply growth isn't catching up with demand.''
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Re: IEA: World is facing "oil crisis"; Emergency

Postby Fishman » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 09:31:21

Surprise, surprise!
Truely getting to be sit back with the popcorn time and watch it all unravel.
They almost have it right, correction of the first line "peak oil crisis"
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Re: IEA: World is facing "oil crisis"; Emergency

Postby NoWorries » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 09:42:57

Someone needs to tell the IEA that this crisis is actually a bubble.
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Re: IEA: World is facing "oil crisis"; Emergency

Postby Cashmere » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 09:43:03

Fishman - dead on right.

I wonder when/if they'll attach "peak" to the oil crisis.
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Re: IEA: World is facing "oil crisis"; Emergency

Postby FrankRichards » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 09:51:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NoWorries', 'S')omeone needs to tell the IEA that this crisis is actually a bubble.


A bubble? After 2007 showed a year on year production decline? Things may be different under your bridge, but in the real world that's fundamentals. Don't let the sun turn you to stone.
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Re: IEA: World is facing "oil crisis"; Emergency

Postby TreeFarmer » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 10:18:57

I'm thinking there was a heavy dose of sarcasm in that comment.

"Someone needs to tell the IEA that this crisis is actually a bubble."

After all, how many different agencies have been denying peak oil and calling everything a "bubble"?

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Re: IEA: World is facing "oil crisis"; Emergency

Postby NoWorries » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 10:31:57

Yes, I was being sarcastic. However my broader point is that about 75% of the informed commentators I've read are talking about "bubble" and only 25% are talking about fundamentals.

NOTE: Even Goldman Sachs ($200/b within 18 mos) is saying it's a bubble. They're saying the fundamentals are OK in the medium term. They're disputing "peak" theory.

Jeffery Rubin over at CIBC is not so sure, however.


My point is that the commentary is all over the place. And even the pessimists seem optimistic, where peak oil is concerned.
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Re: IEA: World is facing "oil crisis"; Emergency

Postby Bman4k1 » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 11:04:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NoWorries', '
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Jeffery Rubin over at CIBC is not so sure, however.

My point is that the commentary is all over the place. And even the pessimists seem optimistic, where peak oil is concerned.


Jeffery Rubin is prety much in the Peak Oil camp.
He has predicted every single crash since 1980. I would go as far to say he is never wrong. And his prediction of $250 by 2012 will hold up. He also predicts $2.25 a litre by 2012 which I think will hold up aswell.
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Re: IEA: World is facing "oil crisis"; Emergency

Postby SILENTTODD » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 11:31:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NoWorries', 'S')omeone needs to tell the IEA that this crisis is actually a bubble.


A 'Bubble" of too many people and too much demand. But don't worry, the "market" has ways of working these things out (see Thomas Malthus)
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Re: IEA: World is facing "oil crisis"; Emergency

Postby burtonridr » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 11:47:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NoWorries', 'S')omeone needs to tell the IEA that this crisis is actually a bubble.


A 'Bubble" of too many people and too much demand. But don't worry, the "market" has ways of working these things out (see Thomas Malthus)


thats an odd yet accurate way to look at things..

Everyone that grew up inside the bubble is at the mercy of its walls, one wrong move and POP!

Since the weak and the obese were/are at the bottom of the bubble when it pops they will fall to their death creating a cushion for those that were on top. Some will die, some will be badly injured, some unscathed, but no one can avoid the fall.

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Re: IEA: World is facing "oil crisis"; Emergency

Postby cipi604 » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 12:39:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bman4k1', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NoWorries', '
')
Jeffery Rubin over at CIBC is not so sure, however.

My point is that the commentary is all over the place. And even the pessimists seem optimistic, where peak oil is concerned.


Jeffery Rubin is prety much in the Peak Oil camp.
He has predicted every single crash since 1980. I would go as far to say he is never wrong. And his prediction of $250 by 2012 will hold up. He also predicts $2.25 a litre by 2012 which I think will hold up aswell.

I think Jeff Rubin is an optimist... let's get serious $250 it's just around the corner.
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Re: IEA: World is facing "oil crisis"; Emergency

Postby burtonridr » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 15:33:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cipi604', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bman4k1', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NoWorries', '
')
Jeffery Rubin over at CIBC is not so sure, however.

My point is that the commentary is all over the place. And even the pessimists seem optimistic, where peak oil is concerned.


Jeffery Rubin is prety much in the Peak Oil camp.
He has predicted every single crash since 1980. I would go as far to say he is never wrong. And his prediction of $250 by 2012 will hold up. He also predicts $2.25 a litre by 2012 which I think will hold up aswell.

I think Jeff Rubin is an optimist... let's get serious $250 it's just around the corner.


Its only around the corner if speculation pushes it higher....

Unless something major messes with the supply.

Supply and demand alone will not push it that high that fast.
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Re: IEA Report: Oil Demand Will Continue Growing, Despite Pr

Postby Zardoz » Wed 02 Jul 2008, 22:38:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hogan', 'S')o much for demand destruction. I think we're in trouble.

Big time:
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Re: IEA Report: Oil Demand Will Continue Growing, Despite Pr

Postby MonteQuest » Wed 02 Jul 2008, 22:50:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hogan', ' ')But the small decline in oil demand in the industrialized countries will be more than offset by an estimated increase in demand of 3.7 percent a year from 2008 to 2013 in developing countries, particularly in Asia, the Middle East and Latin America.


On Oct 27, 2005, I wrote the following:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Montequest', 'T')here are many in the camp of “demand destruction will push peak oil into the future,” allowing us more time to transition to renewables and unconventional fossil fuel sources. But will it? One only has to review the goings-on in China, and to a lesser degree, India, to get a sense of certitude that demand destruction may not curb over-all energy consumption at all, but merely slow it’s grow…and maybe not even that.

In light of this, I question whether demand destruction will push peak oil into the future, much less lower energy prices. I feel the case can be made that, short of a global war or a massive depression, increased demand for energy will exceed demand destruction due to price, resulting in a continued net increase in the demand for energy, primarily, oil.
Conclusion: In my opinion, the only thing that will lower net oil consumption is peak oil itself.


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Re: IEA: World Oil Demand Will Continue Growing, Despite Pri

Postby Eli » Wed 02 Jul 2008, 22:50:48

Fudge!

Does anyone else remember when the IEA was saying stuff like we will not possibly hit PO for 20 years?

Don't they have a field by field report that is coming out in November?

I think they may have found some info they did not like.
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Re: IEA: World Oil Demand Will Continue Growing, Despite Pri

Postby americandream » Wed 02 Jul 2008, 23:29:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hogan', 'I') remember, MQ. You've been saying this all along.

Any drop in western consumption (US, Europe) will quickly be sucked up by rapidly expanding Asian and S. American economies. Their domestic consumption is soaring, despite prices. They got a taste of the good life, and won't easily give it up.


It's not so much a case of them and us. Rather its one of, what was trumpeted as the triumphalism of capitalism to all corners of the globe, now confronts us with its ultimate dilemma....resource constraints.

In a bid to preserve their privilege from the levelling hand of socialism, the owners of capital exceeded this planets resourcing capacities and will, ironically, be forced to endure compellingly swinging cuts to their wealth base or else face anniahilation.
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