[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('elocs', 'O')nce they get the Fourth Amendment they will be back for the Second Amendment and they will be more than willing and happy to pry your gun from your cold, dead hands.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('elocs', ' ')Don't kid yourself. Once they get the Fourth Amendment they will be back for the Second Amendment and they will be more than willing and happy to pry your gun from your cold, dead hands.

[gg3]

In the moral/religious sense, forgive the man but do not forget his sins.

In the legal sense: Impeach, try, convict, and sentence.

In the sense of justice: Sentence him to a week of truly solitary confinement to contemplate the effects of his actions, and then five years of community service, building houses for the poor, alongside Jimmy Carter at Habitat for Humanity.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'I')n the moral/religious sense, forgive the man but do not forget his sins.

[gg3]

Doly, in practice it means, at very minimum, do not descend into hatreds. You can call it Christian love or Buddhist compassion if you wish, or rational objectivity.

Personally I feel sorry for the man, he has obviously been used by people of limitless cunning and no scruples. Yet the buck stops on his desk, and he must either take responsibility for his actions or face the penalties for not doing so.

And I meant what I said about a recommended sentence. Contemplation of the impact of one's actions, followed by the practice of doing good works (willingly or under court order), provides a basis for rehabilitation. The goal should always be to prevent someone doing further harm (for overtly dangerous criminals that means locking them up) and at the same time provide them the opportunity to do good and change their ways.

Realistically this is an exercise in wishful thinking. In all likelihood we face the prospect of continued descent into the tyranny of kakistocracy, while one ecological & resource crisis after another goes sailing past its tipping points like out-of-control automobiles sailing gracefully off the edges of cliffs.

I despair for our species. We missed our last chance years ago, and now have only to play out the Newtonian arc of ballistic descent into the next Dark Age.

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'R')ealistically this is an exercise in wishful thinking. In all likelihood we face the prospect of continued descent into the tyranny of kakistocracy, while one ecological & resource crisis after another goes sailing past its tipping points like out-of-control automobiles sailing gracefully off the edges of cliffs.

I despair for our species. We missed our last chance years ago, and now have only to play out the Newtonian arc of ballistic descent into the next Dark Age.

[ClassicSpiderman]

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[ClassicSpiderman]

I voted for pardon. Think about it--if it weren't for Dubya, the Stewart and Colbert shows wouldn't be nearly as funny as they are now.

Worse than Nixon? Pshaw--you Bush haters will be yearning for the return of W when his Presidency is long gone and an even bigger doofus is in the White House.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClassicSpiderman', 'y')ou Bush haters will be yearning for the return of W when his Presidency is long gone and an even bigger doofus is in the White House.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClassicSpiderman', '
')
Worse than Nixon? Pshaw--you Bush haters will be yearning for the return of W when his Presidency is long gone and an even bigger doofus is in the White House.

[ClassicSpiderman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'A') bigger doofus? Is that even possible? We've had 43 presidents in 217 years and W out-doofus's every single one of them by several orders of magnitude. This guy is not only a boob, he's a vicious, small-minded boob whose ill-considered, illegal war of aggression has killed thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis. And his utter contempt for the Bill of Rights and the Geneva Conventions doesn't help my opinion of him.

And unlike gg3, I don't feel sorry for the cocksucker. Not one little bit. He's an evil little man. That he's the puppet of even more vile excuses for human beings doesn't excuse him. I just wish I believed in life after death. There are numerous Buddhist hells I would love to see him suffer in, preferably for as many kalpas as there as grains of sand in the Ganges.

[gw]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClassicSpiderman', 'I') voted for pardon. Think about it--if it weren't for Dubya, the Stewart and Colbert shows wouldn't be nearly as funny as they are now.
Worse than Nixon? Pshaw--you Bush haters will be yearning for the return of W when his Presidency is long gone and an even bigger doofus is in the White House.

[gego]

I note there is one vote to pardon Bush;

The subject of this thread is "Pardon Bush for breaking the Law?", not "Pardon Bush for breaking wind?". Please go back and reconsider your vote.

[gg3]

Re. Clinton: Oh, I was bloody pissed at Clinton, and at Gore, more than once during their two terms in office. In a couple of cases the issues affected me personally.

This is not about partisan anything. For me this about an administration that has done more harm to America than our sworn enemies. God almighty!, they're even destroying our military! They are taking the world's most ferocious and capable fighting machine, and grinding it between the millstones of an interminable double-bind until it breaks! What is it going to take to stop these madmen?!

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClassicSpiderman', 'I')'m with you on this whole "Bush is a traitor to humanity consigned forever to the 9th circle of Hell" thing, but I wonder how much of this vitriol is based on partisan opposition?

[lateralus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gw', ' ')How are you Canucks going to defend yourselves if the world's only superpower becomes a full-blown fascist state bent on global domination and decides you don't really need all those tar sands, natural gas and other resources you have up in there?

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gw', ' ')How are you Canucks going to defend yourselves if the world's only superpower becomes a full-blown fascist state bent on global domination and decides you don't really need all those tar sands, natural gas and other resources you have up in there?

[lateralus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '
')And unlike the Iraqis, we look just...like...you.

[TreebeardsUncle]

I passed on to about a dozen associates the link for the petition not to pardon Bush for breaking the law when the administration conducted the program of secret illegal wire-tapping of Americans. Incidentally, due to the prudish, ignorant, reactionary, bigoted nature of much of the population, Clinton took more heat for his libidionous daliance than Bush is for waging illegal war, violating the Constitution, and weakening the country.
Clearly the current administration has no respect for the law, believing that the whim of the sovereign President supercedes the founding articles, legal precedents, and the perogatives of the other branches of government. What we have here is anillegetimate dictatorship and a pernicious incompetent one at that. Fortunately for this adminstration, the vast majority of the apathetic populace is more interested in persisting in its televison-induced trance numbly proceding through its banal, joy-riding, shopaholic, debt-burdened lifestyle which they have bought as the American dream, the aspiration of free American consumers.

Hi You all might have heard what is going on in the Congress these days.
A number of Republican senators have realized the importance of not rubber-stamping the Bush administrations policy of abusive interrogation due to concern for the impacts that would likely have on the treatment of captured American servicemen, and the damge it would do to the country's reputation as well as the policy's being inconsistent with the values on which this nation was founded and how it undermines the moral authority for operations overseas. Even the Spanish Inquisition allowed their victims to know the charges on which they were being held, but the Bush plan will allow the prisoners to be tried, and executed or held indefinitely without their even knowing the causes of their imprisonment.
This particular petition is about another matter, that of the administration illegally wire-tapping innocent American citizens without their knowledge and consent. Now many Congressmen are pushing through a bill to pardon Bush for his unlawful actions.

Do you want the government to be able to listen in on your conversations at any time for any pretext? Is that what this country is supposed to be about? Well, if the citizens of this country don't begin to resist the attempts of this administration to deny their freedoms, then we will find they no longer exist and the inhabitants of this country, in their acquiescence and apathy will not only not be worthy of their history but will discover they have no rights.
Geoff

Put the pieces together. Secret wiretapping, ability to hold prisoners indefinitely without charge, hiding the entire operation through classified descriptions. Just where do you think you are?

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To: gharris938@aol.com
Sent: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 9:02 PM
Subject: Thanks for helping stop the Senate from pardoning President Bush.

Dear friend,
Thank you. Your name has been added to the petition and your comments will be delivered to your senators and representative.
Please take a moment to invite your friends and colleagues to sign. You can just forward the sample letter below.
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Here's a sample message to send to your friends:
Subject: Don't let the Senate let President Bush off the hook for breaking the law

Hi,
This week, the Senate is planning to quietly hold a vote that would pardon President Bush for breaking the law by illegally wiretapping innocent Americans.
The bill would let the administration off the hook for breaking the law and make it legal to wiretap Americans, in secret, without any oversight whenever they want to.
Democrats and some Republicans are holding strong against it, and if enough of us speak up we can stop it. Can you sign the petition opposing the Republican move to pardon President Bush for breaking the law? http://pol.moveon.org/dontpardon/
Thanks!

Here is the letter that was sent as part of the petition: {The following is my optional addition.}
Dear sirs.
The President is sworn to uphold the law not subvert it. Under the pretext of defending the country against foreign attacks, this administration has consistently disregarded and undermined the principles this country was founded on. If you all go through with this, your names will live in ignominy for generations.

PS
My ancestors were here in America before there was a United States and fought against the British under Ethan Allen with the Green Hill Mountain Boys in Vermont. This country was to be founded on freedom and independence not clandestine surveilance of its citizens. The current President rules by whim and decree and has no respect for the Constitution. May all your names live in infamy if you continue to cowardly, dishonenestly, and shamefully subvert the ideals of this nation. Shame on the lot of you!

[watchdogmovement]

LISTEN http://www.osc.gov/speeches.htm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/

http://www.weekendinterviewshow.com/Int ... .aspx?i=43

http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/14546.php

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9490347185

http://grandtheftcountry.com/facts/911/ ... ppers.html

http://www.pogo.org/p/government/go-041 ... lower.html

http://www.freewebs.com/politicalprisoners

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti ... P._O'Neill

http://www.osc.gov/speeches.htm




FORMER GOVERNMENT AGENT EXPOSES SHADOW GOVERNMENT
JOHN GARRY PEELER

After quitting his diabolical work for Rome, under the pretense of being part of the United States government, John G. Peeler tells how the United States of America’s law enforcement agencies are enforcing the Pope in Rome’s will on U.S. citizens. All of its secret societies pretend to be the servants and the protectors of not only the U.S. citizens but the citizens of the world. However, in reality, Mr. Peeler and many thousands of other former government people say they were out to destroy U.S. citizens, as well as the citizens in all the other nations of the world. John Peeler said that the BATF, DEA, and FBI’s plan was not to arrest David Koresh. You can read John Peeler’s confession in this literature wherein he states that the BATF, the FBI, and the DEA had no intention of arresting the Branch Davidians. “The whole plan was to kill [David Koresh] and as many of his followers as they could. Three weeks before the massacre, they told me [Peeler] they were calling it a ‘turkey shoot’ [with David Koresh and his followers being the turkeys. All of them were an offshoot of the Seventh Day Adventist church].” The US Government framed John Peelers son for murder

LISTEN

Hear A Former Federal Agents Confess

http://www.alamoministries.com/Newslett ... /05700.pdf

http://www.johnpeeler.blogspot.com/

LISTEN

FBI COINTELPRO , MISCONDUCT & FRAMEUPS

DOJ OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE

http://www.post-gazette.com/win/

http://www.freewebs.com/sffbi

http://www.freewebs.com/denverfbi

CIA DIRTY TRICKS

http://home.no.net/teharnes/toc/dirty_tricks.htm



NATIONAL SECURITY WHISTLEBLOWERS COALITION

"When even one American -- who has done nothing wrong -- is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all Americans are in peril." Harry S. Truman
http://www.nswbc.org/