[Mesuge]

? I'm quite not able to follow your logic here. Suppose the Dems take over the Congress in 2006. Do you think that wacos like Hitlary and Lieberman will make a difference? Well, maybe they could even escalate these conflicts even more and install a draft or permanent global air raid campaigns..

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', '?') I'm quite not able to follow your logic here. Suppose the Dems take over the Congress in 2006. Do you think that wacos like Hitlary and Lieberman will make a difference? Well, maybe they could even escalate these conflicts even more and install a draft or permanent global air raid campaigns..

[rogerhb]

'No Saddam link to Iraq al-Qaeda'
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BBC', 'T')here is no evidence of formal links between Iraqi ex-leader Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda leaders in Iraq prior to the 2003 war, a US Senate report says.
The finding is contained in a 2005 CIA report released by the Senate's Intelligence Committee on Friday.
US President George W Bush has said that the presence of late al-Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq before the war was evidence of a link.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'N')ow they just need to say those three little words "Impeach the bastards".

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'I')f you don't have at least 60* Democrats in the Senate its a silly exercise that can only do great harm to the Democrat party

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'I')f you don't have at least 60* Democrats in the Senate its a silly exercise that can only do great harm to the Democrat party

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'B')asically the country as a whole doesn't want to go there, and will punish most any politician that tries to take them there.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'B')asically the country as a whole doesn't want to go there, and will punish most any politician that tries to take them there.

[untothislast]

It doesn't matter that there was never any tangible link. The US public is, for the most part, happy to go along with the myth - mainly because it ties up all the loose ends neatly, and saves it having to take time off from tv to actually think about the possible implications.

Here in the UK, we're much smarter. Our government presented 'evidence' of WMD to parliament - supposedly from British Intelligence sources - but actually lifted from some guy's internet thesis . . . persuaded the attorney general to sanction an ilegal war . . . and in all probability, arranged to have Dr David Kelly eliminated to cover its tracks.
The country, as one, knows Blair to be an outright liar - bearing direct responsibility for putting UK citizens in the front line of terrorist reprisals.

And yet, given all this, we're still politely waiting for him to name the date for his departure from office.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('untothislast', 'A')nd yet, given all this, we're still politely waiting for him to name the date for his departure from office.

[gg3]

I thought Blair just came out and said he'd be going in a year.

Today on the radio they played a bunch of clips of Bush speeches from the last few years, where he says, with fundamentalist certainty, that Saddam is in cahoots with Al Qaeda, that Saddam is building WMDs, and all that stuff, again and again and again. And he said he had solid intel, and he said we knew for absolutely sure, and he said it over and over and over and got us into that war.
And it was all a crock of bullshit. To the tune of 2,600 of our warriors dead and thousands more wounded, and the creation of a live-fire training zone for future terrorists, and the development of IED warfare which really can stop us in our tracks (speaking from having worked on a counter-IED project before this stuff was in the media).

Know what? I like Bush as a human being. I think he's a nice guy. I believe he really loves our country with all his heart. But the fact is that he is at best mediocre, way out of his league, and being led around by the nose by a bunch of ideologues who are hooked on their pet theories to the exclusion of empirical realities. The Republican Party has not only gone from being the party of meritocracy to the party of mediocrity, it has also gone Maoist: where Red counts for more than Expert.
(Background: In China during the Cultural Revolution under Mao, being "red" i.e. ideologically committed to communism, was more important than being "expert" i.e. knowledgeable and capable at what you do for a living. Thus, many totally unqualified individuals were installed into jobs that they were incapable of doing, which caused much harm to China.)

Imagine Bush at the table with Putin negotiating over any of the issues of our day. God help us, the man would be totally out of his league!
Would you trust this administration to win WW2? They seem so interested in using WW2 metaphors lately, so here's the one that counts: would you trust them to win that one? Tell you what: I sure as hell wouldn't. Look at their TRACK RECORD. An overseas quagmire, and an American city destroyed and lost.

A "gentleman's C" does not cut it. We need the best and the brightest, especially in these times. Give me a Colin Powell or a Wesley Clark any day of the week. Or an Al Gore for that matter, since at least he understands the climate emergency, or a Condi Rice, since she at least understands Russia and could sit down with Putin and come out with something viable. We need people like that, not a bunch of mediocrites whose qualification is in their shade of red rather than their degree of expert.
And we need a government that tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

[gw]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'A')nd we need a government that tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

[shakespear1]

The Senators could have found this out a lot faster by watching BBC about 2 years ago
Those 2,600 Americans died for nothing. We could have stroked Saddam and gotten what was desired in other ways. In short Bush and Comp. miscalculated on a grand scale and has no clue how to back out.
Just look at what Israel has handed to Hezbolla. I would argue that Hezbolla has gained and the Bush team is a big looser in all this.

[budeone]

How is this not talked about. I heard nothing at work all day about it. They just seem to be happy being sheep and thats that.

He should be impeached!

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('budeone', 'H')e should be impeached!

[budeone]

You bring up great points. I just would love to have it follow him around through history.
What this man has done he should not be able to walk away as if he did nothing other than have bad intel..
He had good intel also and was going in one way or the other.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('budeone', 'Y')ou bring up great points. I just would love to have it follow him around through history.

[elocs]

As far as impeachment goes, we have the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 which involves the NSA wiretapping which last month a federal judge ruled Bush's actions in breaking it to be unconstitutional. The Supreme Court will rule on this and if it goes against Bush that in and of itself would be grounds for impeachment. Bush knew he was breaking the law and did it anyway and said he would continue to do it. That's at least as big as Clinton lying about a bj.

Impeachment without any chance of conviction is an exercise in revenge. There would be no conviction by the Senate because that would require 57 votes and just like with Clinton, there are not 67 votes without a good number of Republicans voting for conviction. There are lots of Democrats who are howling for impeachment even before they have won the House and they are irrational about it since it is about revenge. They will say it is about justice, but it is about revenge. They just want a pound of flesh from Bush which they are never going to get and they want to even up the score for Clinton.

So Bush may be impeached, and deserves to be, but he will never be indicted. Hopefully he will not screw up the country too much more or bury us in debt or cause too many more of our soldiers to lose their life before he leaves office. I wonder why he didn't choose to attack Canada instead of Iraq? I mean, they have terrorists there and oil and it's a lot closer. And like Iraq, they didn't have anything to do with 9/11.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('elocs', 'A')s far as impeachment goes, we have the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 which involves the NSA wiretapping which last month a federal judge ruled Bush's actions in breaking it to be unconstitutional. The Supreme Court will rule on this and if it goes against Bush that in and of itself would be grounds for impeachment. Bush knew he was breaking the law and did it anyway and said he would continue to do it. That's at least as big as Clinton lying about a bj.

[elocs]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('elocs', 'A')s far as impeachment goes, we have the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 which involves the NSA wiretapping which last month a federal judge ruled Bush's actions in breaking it to be unconstitutional. The Supreme Court will rule on this and if it goes against Bush that in and of itself would be grounds for impeachment. Bush knew he was breaking the law and did it anyway and said he would continue to do it. That's at least as big as Clinton lying about a bj.