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THE History Channel Thread (merged)

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Re: History Channel - Crude

Unread postby Schadenfreude » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 07:28:27

I have Road Runner cable conection and find the ABC Science video almost unwatchable. It won't let you pause and download - instead you are forced to watch as it hurks and jerks.

here's a better link for the same presentation.
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Re: History Channel - Crude

Unread postby Olaf » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 11:56:05

I watched this last night and have to say, even as someone that has been following peak oil for a few years, this program put me on edge a bit.

First, I immediately took note of the fact that it was sponsored by Chevy ('low oil to no oil' new slogan), which made me suspicous of it. Watching the whole thing though, and based upon what I knew going into it, the info seemed to be presented fairly reasonably.

Didn't paint a very optimistic picture I must say. It seems a matter of geological record that if we don't get our shit together as far as how much carbon we are putting back into the atmosphere then we are in for a very inhospitable place to live in the not so distant future. Sort of an evolutionary reset perhaps.

Maybe the best we can hope for as far as the planet is concerned is a quick collapse. Watching something like that just brings all kinds of other scenarios into focus, such as wars, loose nukes, continued changing climates and storms, and economic upheaval thrown in for good measure.

Damn I'm feeling pretty doomer at the moment. My wife is a high school biology and environmental science teacher and we taped it so that she could show it to her students. Having watched it myself, I'm torn now on whether I think that is a good idea. It may only succeed in scaring the hell out 'em.

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Re: History Channel - Crude

Unread postby JackRussell » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 12:44:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schadenfreude', 'I') have Road Runner cable conection and find the ABC Science video almost unwatchable. It won't let you pause and download - instead you are forced to watch as it hurks and jerks.

here's a better link for the same presentation.


I have Replay Media Catcher, which lets you capture the flv for the streaming video, and then watch it after it has finished downloading.

http://all-streaming-media.com/record-v ... corder.htm

Watching it from the ABC site was too painful - it kept pausing and jerking.
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Re: History Channel - Crude

Unread postby auscanman » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 13:27:41

The video is on Google Video as well, so you don't have to endure the jerky ABC version. Crude
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Re: History Channel - Crude

Unread postby auscanman » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 13:29:37

The sound on the Google Video version is a bit messed up for the first couple of minutes (you'll need to turn the volume all the way up to hear anything), but other than that there are no problems.
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Re: Endorse The History Channel's "Crude"

Unread postby JeffK » Tue 29 Jan 2008, 01:34:19

Hello all, I am a commercial real estate broker here in Atlanta, GA, and I too have never actively sought out an avenue, online or otherwise, to comment on something I've seen on TV. The program I saw last night, "Crude", is perhaps the most poignant, powerful, well produced piece of television I have ever seen. I am not (was not) and have never been any kind of activist, but this program has made me feel as if my eyes are now open. The show's information, delivery and overall concept is something that all people can, and should be cognitive of. I would like to do my part, and ask that The History Channel please air this again... air it everyday, I think it may be one of the most important shows ever made.
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Re: History Channel - Crude

Unread postby jbeckton » Wed 30 Jan 2008, 10:41:38

I am quite suprised this didn't get more attention here with all the talk about the controled media and all.

This program didn't even attempt to paint a rosey scenario at the end like I suspected aftetr all fo the doomer talk. It was very factual and included interviews with industry experts on many fronts.

After Mega Disasters : Peak Oil and A Crude Awakening I really think that PO is making its way into the mainstream and this is good during election year.

May give voters another measure to hold candidates up to for whatever its worth.
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Re: History Channel - Crude

Unread postby dorlomin » Wed 30 Jan 2008, 11:12:30

Peak oil is a meme that is becoming rather stealthily injected into the western psyche. One of those ideas where for the majority they cant quite remember when they first heard of it and kinda think they have known about it for alot longer than they have. Its so obvious that deep down most people kind of already know there is a finite limit. And they will psycologicaly slowly bring the peak date closer and closer to today without really thinking about it.
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Re: History Channel - Crude

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 30 Jan 2008, 17:37:02

I think no one exposure is acting as a turning point in making PO go mainstream. I'm starting to wonder whether people would really start to worry about it even if all the oil companies had a press conference and came clean about it. It may take the price spiking 2 or 3x to really convince people it's real.
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Re: History Channel - Crude

Unread postby jbeckton » Wed 30 Jan 2008, 18:28:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I') think no one exposure is acting as a turning point in making PO go mainstream. I'm starting to wonder whether people would really start to worry about it even if all the oil companies had a press conference and came clean about it. It may take the price spiking 2 or 3x to really convince people it's real.


I paid about $1.10/gal a few years back, its now $3.30/gal.

That has already happened.
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Re: History Channel - Crude

Unread postby joewp » Wed 30 Jan 2008, 18:40:08

I think people know that the oil age is a temporary thing. I think they even know that the beginning of the end is upon us. I think they push the knowledge deep inside and go about their work and leisure and try not to think about it, because they know they're screwed no matter what they do. I think they hope the oil age lasts until they die, and they will wish their poor kids good luck. That's what I see whenever I've tried to tell anybody about the situation. These documentaries are maybe convincing a few more people, but I doubt they'll do anything to increase the chances of their kids' survival. It's the ultimate selfishness, about what we've been trained to do by mass-media advertising.

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Re: History Channel - Crude

Unread postby Lore » Wed 30 Jan 2008, 22:57:11

This was by far the best documentary that I’ve seen, tying both PO and GW together. It also gave reasonable evidence that there are plenty of hydrocarbons to burn in order to push the earth into the next extinction event.

Now it didn’t make me want to run out and buy and electric GM, rather I think it should have made most people who weren’t really aware of what’s going on around them and were able to grasp the implications of the film, to take to tucking themselves under their beds in a fetal position. I’m not sure I would show it to some unsuspecting grade school students.
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Re: History Channel - Crude

Unread postby mommy22 » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 10:49:53

A little anecdotal tid bit. I went grocery shopping the other day with my cloth grocery bags. When I told the cashier (who was in her 80's, BTW!!!) that I broght my own bags and I would bag the food myself, she said : Did you see that show on the History Channel the other night? We're using up the oil too fast!

So, someone who seemed definately in the mainstream (while on the older side!) was watching...
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Re: Endorse The History Channel's "Crude"

Unread postby Elbow » Sun 03 Feb 2008, 23:24:18

I saw this documentary ("Crude") on a Qantas flight a month ago and I found it utterly mind blowing.... and I thought I knew about this sort of thing. I'm a lecturer in engineering at a university and I intend to get every one of my 300 students to watch this - i.e. online or by lending them the DVD I've just bought of it. The world is going to be such a different place for them because of this issue. It's more convincing for us engineers than anything because it's by the geologists and engineers who deal with oil exploration and extraction every day, rather than some politician or environmentalist.

Good on the ABC for making it and the History Channel for putting it on in the US! Oh, and good on Qantas for showing it on their inflight entertainment.
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Re: History Channel - Crude

Unread postby chadwickoon » Wed 13 Feb 2008, 23:10:42

Anyone have a copy of the History Channel's Crude, the American version that aired this past January?Would you believe our recorder broke the night we were taping it. My husband was the first geologist in the first half hour of the show.
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History Channel Claims Anthrax Was Inside Job

Unread postby mattduke » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 19:56:43

History Channel Claims Anthrax Was Inside Job: youtube
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Re: History Channel Claims Anthrax Was Inside Job

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 20:02:25

Looks like the police didn't need warrents to confiscate and search all the letters and packages in those bags of mail shown being seized from the Congress offices and the post offices on this anthrax video, because of the exigent risk to life posed by the anthrax. :evil:
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Re: History Channel Claims Anthrax Was Inside Job

Unread postby roccman » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 20:07:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'L')ooks like the police didn't need warrents to confiscate and search all the letters and packages in those bags of mail shown being seized from the Congress offices and the post offices on this anthrax video, because of the exigent risk to life posed by the anthrax. :evil:

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Re: History Channel Claims Anthrax Was Inside Job

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 20:52:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'P')lanetagent man's paint brush list...Apply thin veneer of doubt across all surfaces...watch dry

roccman's paint brush list....Be gullible. Accept every wild claim without question. Spread every possible rumor without verifying it.....watch dry
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Re: History Channel Claims Anthrax Was Inside Job

Unread postby TWilliam » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 21:21:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'r')occman's paint brush list....Be gullible. Accept every wild claim without question. Spread every possible rumor without verifying it.....watch dry

That's funny... sounds more like a description of your typical 'Mer'kan MSM junkie to me...
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