[lateStarter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'R')oy,

The government of Massachusetts is providing subsidies to poor people so that they can afford to buy health insurance.

The biggest problem with health insurance is that people can opt out of it.

Young, healthy, 20-somethings rarely buy health insurance because they don't think they need it.

This shifts the risk pool and means that less healthy people are stuck with higher bills, encouraging healthy people with insurance to drop it...and so on.

It's the same problem with auto insurance. Safe drivers don't want it and unsafe drivers can't afford it. But if you force everyone to get it and make them pay for a part of it, rates drop for everyone.

As for RomneyCare, I think it's working (the number of people in Massachusetts without insurance is falling dramatically) and I hope that the rest of the country adopts it.

[I_Like_Plants]

Pixie - I flew off a motorcycle after being his by a raghead (raghead later got ample repercussions) and broke a few ribs.... the hospital procedure was to test, X-ray, etc but aside from some IM Demerol it really didn't help, it was all a matter of going home and healing up. I worked with a bunch of gooks one of which shoved me against a table to try to hurt the ribs, it didn't much just made me even more eager to shoot gooks for recreation which I'm already itching to be made a legal sport, come on, we get to shoot feral pigeons, why not gooks?


Anyway, it was good to get checked over, but ultimately it was OK.

Get the illegals and by illegals I mean if you ain't white you ain't legal, out of the US and we can set up a decent national health care plan. Never underestimate the French, they're a very racist, rational country, and handed more Jews over to the Nazis than the Nazis could ever have rounded up themselves, they know the score. They've been smart enough to segregate the ragheads they have trying to take over the place, and are one step from exterminating them all. That's what it takes, having a country with some sense of the old Ein Volk, Ein Reich feeling.

Vision-Masterbator - I don't get it, a motorcycle site? Um, ok.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'P')ixie - I flew off a motorcycle after being his by a raghead (raghead later got ample repercussions) and broke a few ribs.... the hospital procedure was to test, X-ray, etc but aside from some IM Demerol it really didn't help, it was all a matter of going home and healing up. I worked with a bunch of gooks one of which shoved me against a table to try to hurt the ribs, it didn't much just made me even more eager to shoot gooks for recreation which I'm already itching to be made a legal sport, come on, we get to shoot feral pigeons, why not gooks?


Anyway, it was good to get checked over, but ultimately it was OK.

Get the illegals and by illegals I mean if you ain't white you ain't legal, out of the US and we can set up a decent national health care plan. Never underestimate the French, they're a very racist, rational country, and handed more Jews over to the Nazis than the Nazis could ever have rounded up themselves, they know the score. They've been smart enough to segregate the ragheads they have trying to take over the place, and are one step from exterminating them all. That's what it takes, having a country with some sense of the old Ein Volk, Ein Reich feeling.

Vision-Masterbator - I don't get it, a motorcycle site? Um, ok.

[I_Like_Plants]

Sounds like a good site, seems a new racially-aware site crops up every week so it's impossible to keep up with them all.

[Denny]

Regarding the absolutely bizarre high charges for service at the hospitals, I have heard that the Ontario provincial government health insurance plan gets lower rates, due to some arrangement with the border hospitals for service. I guess negotiating power?

I don't understand why a U.S. hospital would give lower rates to a foreign insurance provider than it would for its own fellow neighbours.

Perhaps hospital rates should be reviewed just as utility rate are, because in an emergency, a hospital is more or less a monopoly. Is there no health services board in the U.S.?

Those prices are highway robbery!

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'R')oy,

The government of Massachusetts is providing subsidies to poor people so that they can afford to buy health insurance.

The biggest problem with health insurance is that people can opt out of it.

Young, healthy, 20-somethings rarely buy health insurance because they don't think they need it.

This shifts the risk pool and means that less healthy people are stuck with higher bills, encouraging healthy people with insurance to drop it...and so on.

It's the same problem with auto insurance. Safe drivers don't want it and unsafe drivers can't afford it. But if you force everyone to get it and make them pay for a part of it, rates drop for everyone.

As for RomneyCare, I think it's working (the number of people in Massachusetts without insurance is falling dramatically) and I hope that the rest of the country adopts it.

[Denny]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')
3. In the USA, lots of young people choose not to purchase health insurance. They are called the "young invincibles".

[Fiddlerdave]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t now costs Ontarians $38 billion for health care, about $3,160 per capita by this public support strategy.

[jboogy]

I would guess yes after having seen SICKO

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he US health care system is inferior to those of most other industrialized nations because it is the most expensive and yet fails to provide adequate care to the poor, according to a survey of the world's health systems released yesterday.

The United States ranked 37th of the 191 systems surveyed by the World Health Organization, behind Japan, most Western European countries, Scandinavia, Canada, and several Middle Eastern nations. France topped the list, while almost every African nation finished in the bottom third. In addition, the survey concluded that health care in both China and Russia deteriorated after those nations enacted free market reforms.


''The US is really three Americas. The top 10 percent here are the healthiest in the world. The middle bulk does mediocre. But it's the bottom 5 or 10 percent, made up of Native Americans living on reservations, the inner city poor, rural blacks, and Appalachia that is a third America,'' said Dr. Christopher Murray, WHO's director of global programs on evidence for health policy. ''They have health conditions as bad as those in sub-Saharan Africa.''

[Specop_007]

Fails to provide adequate care?? Whats "adequate care"?

[jlw61]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '.')..But it's the bottom 5 or 10 percent, made up of Native Americans living on reservations, the inner city poor, rural blacks, and Appalachia that is a third America,'' said Dr. Christopher Murray, WHO's director of global programs on evidence for health policy. ''They have health conditions as bad as those in sub-Saharan Africa.''

[jlw61]

PS Kudos to you for starting this thread!

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow do you base the claim that the US has substandard health care?

[smallpoxgirl]

The way I've been explaining it lately is this. In America, the only option is Mercedes healthcare. A lot of money is wasted on heated seats, CD changers, and windshield wipers for your headlights. Stuff that might be nice if you could afford it, but doesn't really add much to our overall longevity or quality of life. Transplant surgery is the most glaring example. If you can't afford the Mercedes, you walk. There is no affordable option.

What we need is Honda level healthcare. Something that's nice, functional, and most of us can afford. To do that, we've got to figure out how to quit drooling over the "breakthrough" therapies.

[jlw61]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')he way I've been explaining it lately is this. In America, the only option is Mercedes healthcare. A lot of money is wasted on heated seats, CD changers, and windshield wipers for your headlights. Stuff that might be nice if you could afford it, but doesn't really add much to our overall longevity or quality of life. Transplant surgery is the most glaring example. If you can't afford the Mercedes, you walk. There is no affordable option.

What we need is Honda level healthcare. Something that's nice, functional, and most of us can afford. To do that, we've got to figure out how to quit drooling over the "breakthrough" therapies.

[jlw61]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'w')hy bother? because a fresh cup of coffee is coursing through my veins?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jlw61', 'I')s it based on statistics that show the US citizen dies at a much younger age or there are more disabled people? Are you comparing us with a socialist government's display of universal health care that ends up taxing people into oblivion while providing the same health care to all citizens (we won't go into the level of health care provided, at this time or where it's rich citizens go to get their health care).

[Plantagenet]

Did anyone catch the story on CNN about the pregnant Mexican girls who sneak across the border and go into US hospitals to give birth because (1) their kid will be a US citizen and (2) healthcare for the uninsured is free in US hospitals?

Most people in the US are unaware that the US already has universal health care. Hospitals, by law, must provide free care to anyone who needs it. Of course the media won't ever explain that, because it would take away a political issue from the democrats......Its curious how pregnant teenaged mexican girls know the US has free health care, but the candidates for US president somehow don't.....Nonetheless, by law, national health care is available for the uninsured in hospitals across the US right now.

[jlw61]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow do you base the claim that the US has substandard health care?