$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') really never understood the logic behind this adolescent argument. It has nothing to do with the truth of the message. I assume the main purpose of it by climate change opponents is to deflect the science since that in most cases remains unassailable.
I refer to it as juvenile since its like having parents that smoke and admonishing their children not to. A child's reason may be that they don't have to since the people preaching to them are doing it, even though I know it's bad for me, and all evidence points to the fact. People who buy into this argument are just looking for an excuse.
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THE Glenn Beck Thread (merged)
Re: Beck said Gore using "Hitler tactics" on GW
by keehah » Wed 02 May 2007, 18:58:24
You are deluted if you think humans are so rational that do what I say, not what I do carries the same weight as do what I say and do.
At best Gore is about talk not action. At worst he is supporting the start of a system that allows business as usual for the moneyed ($$ to play all the carbon-offset games), while the lower classes do all the sacrificing.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')efining hypocrisy
In an act of hypocrisy the aim is to condemn another person or people, not to condemn an act. To preach against an act of which one is oneself guilty, does not in itself constitute hypocrisy, even if one takes efforts to conceal one's behaviour. It becomes hypocrisy when it involves verbal attacks or demands of punishment against perpetrators of the act which one practices oneself. Hypocrisy can be too, simply put, the pot calling the kettle black.
Concealment or evasion is not necessary for hypocrisy; hypocrisy can involve the open practice of a behaviour for which one condemns others. If there is a salient difference between the critic and the criticised which makes the criticised person reproachable for the act, but the critic not, then it is not hypocrisy; e.g. a parent condemning their child for using a dangerous implement which the parent themselves uses is not a hypocrite. If the difference in status appealed to by the critic is bogus, then it is indeed hypocrisy. The term double standard is used, confusingly enough, for both cases, as a simple descriptive phrase in the case of the parents, and as a pejorative phrase for open hypocrisy in the second case. [2]
Whether the criticism is based on the absence of a behaviour or on the practise of a behaviour, the same criteria for hypocrisy apply.
Hypocrisy and morality
Hypocrisy has been described alongside lack of sincerity, as a characteristic which attracts particular opprobrium in the modern age. [3]Many belief systems condemn behaviours related to hypocrisy.
The carbon credit trading games only address one part of our environmental destruction, a skeptic could say this is to help mitigate/hide awareness of PO, and much evidence exists that some of the current trading games are near scams. Looking at the Wiki quote above (especially the bolded section) Gore's actions could be seen as being in a grey zone for hypocrisy.
We need a better spokesperson or one that does not live as a business as usual elite jet-setter. They exist but will not be covered by a business as usual elite media.
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by Lore » Wed 02 May 2007, 19:47:08
Yeah... but Al sure got everybody’s attention!
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Re: Beck said Gore using "Hitler tactics" on GW
by Lore » Wed 02 May 2007, 20:48:18
Well, just caught most of the Glenn Beck special, "Exposed: The Climate of Fear." The usual TV these days with 5/min. of show and an equal amount allowed for commercials.
Basically Glenn could have done worse, but brought up the usual half dozen skeptical scientists to disclaim the consensus view, like Tim Ball, John Christy etc., and authors like, Christopher Horner, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming (and Environmentalism)" who has been running around on the conservative talk show circuits lately. The arguments are the same top-10 that have been discussed repeatedly.
His final pitch was to let the entrepreneurial and free enterprise system cure the problems of global warming.
Basically Glenn could have done worse, but brought up the usual half dozen skeptical scientists to disclaim the consensus view, like Tim Ball, John Christy etc., and authors like, Christopher Horner, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming (and Environmentalism)" who has been running around on the conservative talk show circuits lately. The arguments are the same top-10 that have been discussed repeatedly.
His final pitch was to let the entrepreneurial and free enterprise system cure the problems of global warming.
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Re: Glenn Beck Global Warming Special tonight
by SILENTTODD » Wed 02 May 2007, 22:28:43
For those of us who have better things to do with our lives-Who the heck is Glenn Beck?
Lore had a similar thread about this guy and said he heard him on the radio. He must not be big enough yet for the L.A. market because I’ve never heard of him and the radio (nobody ever called it the “Boob Tube”) and my computer are all I have.
If he’s on cable I’m glad I don’t have it, and don’t have a TV either. Something everyone reading this now will have to get use to not having in the future also!
Lore had a similar thread about this guy and said he heard him on the radio. He must not be big enough yet for the L.A. market because I’ve never heard of him and the radio (nobody ever called it the “Boob Tube”) and my computer are all I have.
If he’s on cable I’m glad I don’t have it, and don’t have a TV either. Something everyone reading this now will have to get use to not having in the future also!
Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
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Re: Glenn Beck Global Warming Special tonight
by rider » Wed 02 May 2007, 23:45:11
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', 'F')or those of us who have better things to do with our lives-Who the heck is Glenn Beck?
Lore had a similar thread about this guy and said he heard him on the radio. He must not be big enough yet for the L.A. market because I’ve never heard of him and the radio (nobody ever called it the “Boob Tube”) and my computer are all I have.
If he’s on cable I’m glad I don’t have it, and don’t have a TV either. Something everyone reading this now will have to get use to not having in the future also!
Lore had a similar thread about this guy and said he heard him on the radio. He must not be big enough yet for the L.A. market because I’ve never heard of him and the radio (nobody ever called it the “Boob Tube”) and my computer are all I have.
If he’s on cable I’m glad I don’t have it, and don’t have a TV either. Something everyone reading this now will have to get use to not having in the future also!
I love your positivism.
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Re: Glenn Beck Global Warming Special May 2nd, 2007
by jedinvest » Thu 03 May 2007, 00:22:15
Don't have cable either and so I will be sparing myself some wasted time because I still find it fascinating how the media attempts to deceive. Anyway, a person who covers both Anna Nicole Smith and the Global Warming Conspiracy probably has nothing meaningful to say about either.
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Re: Beck said Gore using "Hitler tactics" on GW
by manu » Thu 03 May 2007, 03:16:22
The Bilderburg groug needs someone to "pretend" like they care about the environment. They start their own environmental group which probably takes away from any serious groups. Keep the lemmings happy but confused as they go over the cliff.
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Re: Glenn Beck Global Warming Special tonight
by Tanada » Thu 03 May 2007, 05:53:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', 'F')or those of us who have better things to do with our lives-Who the heck is Glenn Beck?
Lore had a similar thread about this guy and said he heard him on the radio. He must not be big enough yet for the L.A. market because I’ve never heard of him and the radio (nobody ever called it the “Boob Tube”) and my computer are all I have.
If he’s on cable I’m glad I don’t have it, and don’t have a TV either. Something everyone reading this now will have to get use to not having in the future also!
Lore had a similar thread about this guy and said he heard him on the radio. He must not be big enough yet for the L.A. market because I’ve never heard of him and the radio (nobody ever called it the “Boob Tube”) and my computer are all I have.
If he’s on cable I’m glad I don’t have it, and don’t have a TV either. Something everyone reading this now will have to get use to not having in the future also!
Just out of Curiousity (I live far from CA) I spent thirty seconds on Google and found this
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ednesday, August 2nd 2006
830 AM Los Angeles Mixes It Up With Radio/TV Personality Glenn Beck
Contacts:
Amir Forester
Premiere Radio Networks
(818) 461-5404
AForester@premiereradio.com
Kelly Edwards
830 AM
818-382-6115
kedwards@830am.com
LOS ANGELES, August 2, 2006 - 830 AM announced today they are changing the direction of their programming and are bringing in the third highest rated talk radio personality in the country, Glenn Beck, to initiate the shift. Beginning Aug. 7, Los Angelenos will now be able to hear "The Glenn Beck Program" live from 7-9 a.m., Monday through Friday.
830 AM is a powerhouse with one of the nation’s largest signals on the AM and FM bands, boasting the 14th largest radio signal in the nation and the fourth largest signal overall in California.
The station is owned by a partnership led by Arte Moreno, who also owns Angels Baseball. While undergoing programming changes, the station will continue broadcasting Angel games in Spanish as well as a mix of English and Spanish-language programming, which also includes the hot new "Spanglish" format.
VP / General Manager Alan Fuller stated, "We believe Glenn Beck is going to be hugely popular here as in other markets and we're excited that he's going to make his L.A. debut with 830. His personality, humor, and style attract a younger audience than traditional talkers, which is exactly what we want as we move in this exciting new direction."
Glenn Beck is a nationally syndicated radio talk show host whose quick wit, candid opinions and engaging personality has helped him attract a devoted following since hitting the talk airwaves in 2001. His show, "The Glenn Beck Program," is heard on more than 200 radio stations nationwide and is syndicated by Los Angeles-based Premiere Radio Networks. It is the third highest-rated syndicated radio talk show in America among adults ages 25 to 54. In addition to his daily radio show, Beck recently launched a self-titled national TV show on CNN Headline News, which has grown substantially, showing double-digit growth in the coveted persons 25-54 demo and in persons 18-34 (29 percent) and persons 18-49 (22 percent).
Beck is married with four kids and resides in Connecticut.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alfred Tennyson', 'W')e are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
