Just another reason to avoid large concentrations of people!
I'm about ready for that one way ticket to paradise...
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Re: "Full of Road Warriors"
by frankthetank » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 14:38:30
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Re: "Full of Road Warriors"
by Leanan » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 15:00:07
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ust another reason to avoid large concentrations of people!
There's a fascinating thread over in Planning for the Future. Someone posted advice from an Argentinian, on how to survive an economic collapse. The voice of experience, if you will.
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic14183.html
He said both the city and the country had drawbacks.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')RBAN OR COUNTRY?
Someone once asked me how did those that live in the country fare. If they were better off than city dwellers.
As always there are no simple answers. Wish I could say country good, city bad, but I can’t. Because if I have to be completely honest, and I intend to be so, there are some issues that have to be analyzed, specially security.
Of course that those that live in the country and have some land and animals were better prepared food-wise. No need to have several acres full of crops. A few fruit trees, some animals, such as chickens, cows and rabbits, and a small orchard was enough to be light years ahead of those in the cities. Chickens, eggs and rabbits would provide the proteins, a cow or two for milk and cheese, some vegetables and fruit plants covered the vegetable diet, and some eggs or a rabbit could be traded for flower to make bread and pasta or sugar and salt.
Of course that there are exceptions. For example, some provinces up north have desert climate, and it almost never rains. It is almost impossible to live of the land, and animals require food and water you have to buy. Those guys had it bad, no wonder the northern provinces suffer the most in my country.
Those that live in cities, well they have to manage as they can. Since food prices went up about %200-%300. People would cut expenses wherever they could so they could buy food. Some ate whatever they could, they hunted birds or ate street dogs and cats, others starved.
When it comes to food, cities suck in a crisis. It is usually the lack of food or the impossibility to acquire it that starts the rioting and looting when TSHTF.
When it comes to security things get even more complicated.
Forget about shooting those that mean you harm from 300 yards away with your MBR. Leave that notion to armchair commandos and 12 year old kids that pretend to be grown ups on the internet.
Some facts:
1)Those that want to harm you/steal from you don’t come with a pirate flag waving over their heads.
2) Neither do they start shooting at you 200 yards away.
3) They wont come riding loud bikes or dressed with their orange, convict just escaped from prison jump suits, so that you can identify them the better. Nor do they all wear chains around their necks and leather jackets.If I had a dollar for each time a person that got robbed told me “They looked like NORMAL people, dressed better than we are”, honestly, I would have enough money for a nice gun. There are exceptions, but don’t expect them to dress like in the movies.
4)A man with a wife and two or three kids can’t set up a watch. I don’t care if you are SEAL, SWAT or John Freaking Rambo, no 6th sense is going to tell you that there is a guy pointing a gun at your back when you are trying to fix the water pump that just broke, or carrying a big heavy bag of dried beans you bought that morning.
The best alarm system anyone can have in a farm are dogs. But dogs can get killed and poisoned. A friend of mine had all four dogs poisoned on his farm one night, they all died.
After all these years I learned that even though the person that lives out in the country is safer when it comes to small time robberies, that same person is more exposed to extremely violent home robberies. Criminals know that they are isolated and their feeling of invulnerability is boosted. When they assault a country home or farm, they will usually stay there for hours or days torturing the owners. I heard it all: women and children getting raped, people tied to the beds and tortured with electricity, beatings, burned with acetylene torches.
Big cities aren’t much safer for the survivalist that decides to stay in the city. He will have to face express kidnappings, robberies, and pretty much risking getting shot for what’s in his pockets or even his clothes.
So, where to go? The concrete jungle is dangerous and so is living away from it all, on your own.
The solution is to stay away from the cities but in groups, either by living in a small town-community or sub division, or if you have friends or family that think as you do, form your own small community.
Some may think that having neighbors within “shouting” distance means loosing your privacy and freedom, but it’s a price that you have to pay if you want to have someone to help you if you ever need it. To those that believe that they will never need help from anyone because they will always have their rifle at hand, checking the horizon with their scope every five minutes and a first aid kit on their back packs at all times… Grow up.
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Re: "Full of Road Warriors"
by OilsNotWell » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 16:13:00
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'h')ow in the world does ability to pay have anything to do with greatest need?
Quick lesson in a free market for you
: Well, if you really, really, really, need it, it's going to cost you. And you'll beg, borrow, or steal to get the $$ if you don't have it. You'll trade other things of value (your possessions, labor, whatever, for it). When it costs people more, the more they'll think about how eseential it is, and how much they need it. It's not a perfect way to allocate scarce resources and not the 'fairest' by way of class basis, but it's the best one (both in overall fairness and in efficiency) we have (unless you wish for a State committee to start issuing you ration cards! (and subject to the usual 'unfair' somewhat arbitrary ration criteria, who is worth more, who has better connections, etc.)
That's how.
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Re: "Full of Road Warriors"
by seldom_seen » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 16:41:38
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Trindelm', 'W')ouldn't it make sense for people to start car and gas pooling?
CARPOOLING!!! Why you commie pinko traiterous bastard! This is Merika!
In WWII when fuel was an issue, people (when they were still "people" and not "consumers"). Were encouraged to carpool through propaganda posters that said things like "if you drive alone, you drive with hitler."
Nowdays the "consumers" are just part of the apparatus where we must maintain their "confidence" so as to keep the cogs of the megamachine churning.
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