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Re: I just don't know

Unread postby duke3522 » Tue 06 Sep 2005, 21:54:10

On my road trip this weekend all the gas stations were within one cent of each other. My brother commented on strange this it was that every station we passed was basiclly the same price. Maybe an unannouced price ceiling for the holiday weekend.
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Re: I just don't know

Unread postby something_awfull » Tue 06 Sep 2005, 22:07:17

Crude price is falling, yet petrol prices in Australia are still going up, especially in Sydney, the average price is now $1.40/L, thats up .20c since last tuesday.
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Re: My favorite gas station: fuel up 7 cents today

Unread postby k_semler » Wed 07 Sep 2005, 03:58:51

Now up to $3.079 per gallon at the cheap place in town for 89 octane. I passed the Conoco on my way home, and they were changing the sign to $3.1xx for 89 octane. This is getting redicuous. A 5c increase I would expect, but 10c in one day is a little sad. Today I put in 8.979 gallons, and it was like $28.00! Before I could put 23 gallons in my tank for that much, and I was runing on an eighth tank. That's Now, 23 gallons would cost me $70.81 USD. That's a day and a half wages for only 2 weeks of fuel! I think I need a second job and a smaller car.
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What to do with ex gas stations

Unread postby KevO » Mon 10 Oct 2005, 08:45:36

recently came across this in a surf village (Mawgan Porth) near Newquay Cornwall.
What a peach! It's a mostly Organic mini mart!


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Re: What to do with ex gas stations

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Mon 10 Oct 2005, 08:55:35

Man, that picture reminds me how glad I'm going to be when all these petrol stations disappear. Such a WASTE of space!
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Re: What to do with ex gas stations

Unread postby Antimatter » Mon 10 Oct 2005, 08:57:58

hey, its still selling LPG :razz:
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Re: What to do with ex gas stations

Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 10 Oct 2005, 09:20:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peaker_2005', 'M')an, that picture reminds me how glad I'm going to be when all these petrol stations disappear. Such a WASTE of space!


And what do you considre shopping malls? Or business's? Or parks? Or highways? Or housing tracts? Or subdivisions? Or apartment complexs?
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Re: What to do with ex gas stations

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Mon 10 Oct 2005, 09:41:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peaker_2005', 'M')an, that picture reminds me how glad I'm going to be when all these petrol stations disappear. Such a WASTE of space!


And what do you considre shopping malls? Or business's? Or parks? Or highways? Or housing tracts? Or subdivisions? Or apartment complexs?


Apartment complexes aren't so bad - at least they're trying to get a good amount of use out of the space. Parks aren't such a waste of space - they let the city 'breathe'. And after all, people need to live SOMEWHERE.

But malls, highways, large housing tracts/subdivisions need to die a most horrible death.
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Re: What to do with ex gas stations

Unread postby lawnchair » Mon 10 Oct 2005, 10:19:01

If people need to buy crap, the Big Box or the Mall aren't bad for space. Inhuman, yes, but Wal-Mart measures and packs their stores to the square inch to maximize use of floorspace that they have to heat and light.

But: the gas stations, repair shops, tire stores, parts stores, auto accessory stores, auto manufacturing plants, refineries, drilling rigs, uncrossable wide roads, frontage roads, cloverleafs, bridges over other roads, roadway setbacks, drive-throughs of innumerate variety, highway motels, fast food, highway department depots, ambulances/fire stations/hospital beds devoted to highway casualty, insurance offices, traffic courts, and dear lord the PARKING LOTS... well, I guess I'll be okay with seeing them go.
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Re: What to do with ex gas stations

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Mon 10 Oct 2005, 11:34:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Antimatter', 'h')ey, its still selling LPG :razz:

Now all we need is an SUV that runs off of propane and we are in bid-nuss.
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Re: What to do with ex gas stations

Unread postby ubercrap » Mon 10 Oct 2005, 11:50:10

Hmmm...what about cleanup of the underground storage tanks? Likely, if things go bust in a hurry, these could be leaking and contaminating groundwater across the world.
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Re: My favorite gas station: fuel up 7 cents today

Unread postby kmann » Fri 21 Oct 2005, 13:00:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kmann', 'S')unday evening: 2.59 for regular
Tuesday morning: 2.79
Thursday evening: 2.99


I think it peaked at 3.05 around here. Now it's at 2.65, just .06 above pre hurricane price.
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Re: My favorite gas station: fuel up 7 cents today

Unread postby gas_echoes » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 10:41:38

shockley wrote:
I have been protesting the gas gouging...hey check out this article....starting to get heard.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industrie ... usat_x.htm

Email me back with comments at shockley46703@aol.com
This article offers the perfect lesson about the laws of supply and demand.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere and there are stories of flat-out craziness, such as when the T-Bird Mini Mart in Springfield, Vt., decided NOT to raise its gas prices.

T-Bird stopped raising its prices midday Wednesday at $2.60 a gallon while all the other gas stations around kept pushing their prices higher — until T-Bird was charging 30 cents a gallon less.

People started showing up from as far away as New Hampshire. Lines snaked through town. Neighboring businesses summoned police, who directed traffic for hours. So overwhelming was the traffic, says clerk Jason LaValley, "We had to raise (the price) to keep people away." The store was selling gasoline for $3.19 Wednesday night, more in line with the competition.
Here you go, gas station owner decides not to 'gouge', creates disaster. Gouging is good. Gouging is averting a national disaster.

I am Jason quoted in the article above. I am glad to see people talking about this because this was really aggrevating for me. The article did not completely explain this as the police was requesting the store pay for the police to stay as they were there for about 6 hours. They said you need to do something about this, or pay to have them direct traffic. The store did not want to have to pay for them to stay, so they raised it in the middle of the rush. The only reason the police were there was because the business next door was complaining, but there were never any accidents, and if it was my store I would have kept it the same and told the police to leave. People were so thankful that we had the price so much cheaper than everyone. Many gas stations were empty in town that day and I think that really hurt them by having us get all the business for the day.
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Re: My favorite gas station: fuel up 7 cents today

Unread postby frankthetank » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 11:52:36

Were way below pre hurricanes levels...although diesel is still VERY high 3.35 and unleaded is around 2.40!
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FLA gas stations: "Full of Road Warriors"

Unread postby Leanan » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 07:18:50

CNN reported live from South Florida this morning on the gas situation down there. They used the terms "Mad Max" and "Road Warriors." Very few gas stations are open, because most of them don't have any power.

The CNN correspondent was at one gas station at 4:30 am. It wasn't open yet, but the line was over 250 cars long. It had only 1200 gallons of gas. The entire police force of the town was there to keep order. Tempers are flaring. People are trying to cut in line, and the cops are kicking them out.

Many of the people in line need gas. The first few vehicles in line are cab drivers, for example. But a lot of it is pure panic. There's no work, no school, nowhere to go. So why do they need gas? One man said, "I'm down to half a tank. I have to get gas."

The lines to get into grocery stores are also very long: over a mile a half, according to CNN.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/13005267.htm
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Re: "Full of Road Warriors"

Unread postby something_awfull » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 07:53:39

It's amazing how quickly people resort to violence, fancy pushing into a line then punching a women in the face when she protests, he deserve's a good kick in the soft-bits for behaviour like that. I also don't understand why they didn't stock up on fuel before the hurriane went by, it's not like they didn't have warning enough, I mean, ya gotta keep them rats frozen dontcha :)
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Re: "Full of Road Warriors"

Unread postby TT » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 08:05:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('something_awfull', ' ') I also don't understand why they didn't stock up on fuel before the hurriane went by, it's not like they didn't have warning enough, I mean, ya gotta keep them rats frozen dontcha :)


From what I heard on the news most service stations did stock up = and they still have plenty. They just can't pump it because they don't have electricity. It seems they're a little short on forethought.

Don't they have hand pumps or anything?
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Re: "Full of Road Warriors"

Unread postby Leanan » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 08:47:21

I have to admit...this sort of thing is making me more and more pessimistic all the time. It's like "Lord of the Flies": the veneer of civilization is very thin.

I can understand people refusing to evacuate. Not everyone can afford it, and after what happened in New Orleans, who wants to go to a shelter?

But surely they could have stocked up on some basic supplies. Fill up some empty soda bottles with water from the tap; no need to buy bottled water. Get some canned goods and a manual can opener. Stock up on gas before there's a mad rush. This is Florida; it's not like hurricanes are unexpected events there.

BTW, here's the transcript from CNN:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Carol.

And this gas station has just opened moments ago. The cabs that you see are ready to gas up. The fellow in the yellow cab got here at 4:00 in the morning. He wanted to be sure that he was the first on line, because yesterday he told me he waited for three hours for gasoline, got to the station, and they had run out.

So, huge frustrations for him yesterday, and he's able to start gassing up right now.

This is a mad scramble for gasoline inside southern Florida. It's on the front page this morning of the Miami Herald, "Running on empty: Desperate drivers scramble for gas."

Miami-Dade County essentially has turned into a country of road warriors, people searching wherever they can for gasoline.

Keep in mind, there are not many gas stations open around here simply because there isn't a lot of power. Many stations still don't have the power to actually pump that fuel. As a result, you have incredible lines.

This line to the gas station here loops all around the block and extends all the way up there. At this hour we have more than 200 vehicles now in line, waiting for gasoline. And we understand there are only 1,200 gallons of gasoline at this Citgo station.

Also note, there are police officers here. They have been here since 4:30 in the morning. And the situation is so serious that all 14 officers here, they comprise the entire force of Sunny Isles, Florida, at 4:30 in the morning. That early in the morning the entire force came down here to make sure that the line would be under control, that people would not basically lose their tempers and that fights wouldn't break out.

So, a very serious situation here...

COSTELLO: Allan, I have a question. The electricity is still mostly out. So people probably can't go to their jobs quite yet. I'm just wondering, is it panic that people are going to get the gas? Like, where are they going?

CHERNOFF: Well, it really depends. Obviously, if you're a cab driver -- and the first four cars on line here are all cabs -- these guys need gasoline obviously to do their work...

COSTELLO: Well, I get that.

CHERNOFF: ... to do their business.

COSTELLO: But what about homeowners?

CHERNOFF: Right. There are some people who certainly are panicking -- no question about that -- because they see so many gas stations shut down.

Yesterday when we had lines here as well, I spoke to a few folks. They said, you don't need to go to work. You don't need to bring your kids to school, because the schools are closed. And one fellow said, yes, but I'm down to half-a-tank. I've got to fill up. I have to get gas.

So, yes, there is certainly a certain degree of panic here with regard to the gas situation.
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Re: "Full of Road Warriors"

Unread postby something_awfull » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 09:02:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TT', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('something_awfull', ' ') I also don't understand why they didn't stock up on fuel before the hurriane went by, it's not like they didn't have warning enough, I mean, ya gotta keep them rats frozen dontcha :)


From what I heard on the news most service stations did stock up = and they still have plenty. They just can't pump it because they don't have electricity. It seems they're a little short on forethought.

Don't they have hand pumps or anything?


I was referring to the civilian population, but that is a good point as well, couldn't the servo's have kept a generator on hand as well?
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Re: "Full of Road Warriors"

Unread postby Leanan » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 09:07:06

We are so dependent on electricity it isn't even funny. Some people are now demanding that gas stations be required to have generators, so they can pump gas if there's no power. FEMA is dispatching generators to gas stations. They are also supplying generators to the suppliers to those gas stations.
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