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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby Maddog78 » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 02:48:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'S')orry, what does Ayn Rand have to do with Rush? Did she have a shrieky voice?



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n the album, Neil Peart credits "the genius of Ayn Rand." Rand, a Russian-born American novelist and Objectivist philosopher, wrote a novella entitled Anthem (itself adopted as the title of another Rush song, from the album Fly By Night) from which Peart borrowed the broad strokes of the plot.


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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 09:27:46

But Santana is 'better live' than Rush..... :)
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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 09:48:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Actually, it was Obama who ordered US offshore areas on the east coast, west coast and Gulf of Mexico be opened to drilling, not Palin. :)


He didn't "order" offshore drilling. He was badgered by the drill-baby-drill contingent into allowing it. Of course, that's just a reason for you to criticize him as being spineless rather than to cop to the fact that you endorsed a candidate who supports a BAU-to-the-last-drop strategy towards peak oil.

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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 12:07:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Actually, it was Obama who ordered US offshore areas on the east coast, west coast and Gulf of Mexico be opened to drilling, not Palin. :)


He didn't "order" offshore drilling. He was badgered by the drill-baby-drill contingent into allowing it ...


There is no point in lying about it, mos. The facts are clear (even if Obama's policies aren't).

In 2008 Obama was against offshore drilling. Then in 2010 Obama abandoned his opposition to offshore drilling and ordered a vast expansion of areas open to offshore drilling along the east and west and Florida coasts....only to reverse himself yet again after the BP oil disaster happened on his watch. :lol:

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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 13:06:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')In 2008 Obama was against offshore drilling. Then in 2010 Obama abandoned his opposition to offshore drilling and ordered a vast expansion of areas open to offshore drilling along the east and west and Florida coasts....only to reverse himself yet again after the BP oil disaster happened on his watch. :lol:


What do YOU support? If you support Sarah Palin, then you should be thrilled that Obama abandoned his opposition to offshore drilling. The gulf is merely a sacrificial lamb at the alter of BAU. If you oppose off-shore drilling, then you never should have endorsed Sarah Palin. Where do YOU stand? deleted
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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 14:21:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'W')hat do YOU support?


I'd like to see a coherent and intelligent energy policy from the Obama administration instead of the incoherent, inconsistent and incompetent mess they have produced.

The record of the odd sequence of inconsistent and self-contradictory decisions made by Obama is clear (even if Obama's energy policies aren't).

In 2008 Obama said he was against offshore drilling. Then in 2010 Obama suddenly abandoned his opposition to offshore drilling and ordered a vast expansion of the areas open to offshore drilling Obama opened up huge new areas along the east and west and Florida coasts and his administration granted EIS waivers to BP and other companies to drill ultradeep wells....only to reverse himself yet again after the BP oil disaster---Once the worst oil spill disaster in US history happened on his watch Obama shut down all offshore drilling...but then Obama reversed himself one more time and once again come out for offshore drilling by re-opening all the areas that had already been opened prior to his 2010 order....except the Obama administration hasn't actually issued any new permits for offshore drilling, even though offshore areas are supposedly open for drilling again.

So what is Obama's energy policy? Is he for or against offshore oil drilling? Does Obama's energy policy depend on which way the wind is blowing? And will anyone believe him now since he's already changed his position three times? :lol:
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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 14:54:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'W')hat do YOU support?


I'd like to see a coherent and intelligent energy policy from the Obama administration instead of the incoherent, inconsistent and incompetent mess they have produced.

The record of the odd sequence of inconsistent and self-contradictory decisions made by Obama is clear (even if Obama's energy policies aren't).


Well, I agree. And economically, I tend to lean right, certainly far more than left. However, on this type of issue the far right goes too far.

I find the position of the far right (which this FOX piece has been consistently spouting, at least in the VAST majority of any editorial comment from the right wing speakers I have seen on FOX News for several years now), while at least consistent, completely unrealistic and destructive in the long term.

The far right, IMO, OFTEN uses science denial to push their agendas. The main agendas are:
1). Push for the exploitation of all economic resources, and the hell with the consequences now, and especially later (to the planet or to future generations). This makes obvious sense (now) for the super-rich, but how about everyone else?
2). Push for "Christian" based values, such as family values. Things like the ludicrous position of denying evolution, despite ALL the evidence, are clear indicators of this. I'm all for morality, but using lies to try to legitimize one's position (and force one's personal lifestyle choices on everyone else) will lead to bad policy.

A coherent and long term American energy policy, which takes into consideration obvious realities like finite resources AND a generally growing need for for energy for the forseeable future (and the implied trade-offs such a policy would entail) is what we need. We haven't gotten that from EITHER party (much like almost every other serious long term issue the U.S. faces).

Drill baby drill. Yes, we need that in the short term for both economic and security reasons. However, unless you're a corny AND a complete denier of all climate and finite resource issues -- that is NOT a valid intermediate to long term strategy. (Things like carbon sequestration, investment in promising green tech, etc. need to be seriously considered and utilized based on scientific EVIDENCE and economic trends. Science denial precludes the GOP from seriously considering such issues).

Yeah, Obama's energy policies are a mess. So are the GOP's - just a more consistent mess of a different flavor.
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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 15:05:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'O')bama's energy policies are a mess.


Right-o. Thats my point.

The Obama administration is so incompetent it can't even articulate what its energy policy is, much less carry it out.

I'd say the chances of Obama keeping his 2008 campaign promise to make the US energy independent is zero. :roll:
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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 15:25:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'W')ell, I agree. And economically, I tend to lean right, certainly far more than left. However, on this type of issue the far right goes too far.

I find the position of the far right (which this FOX piece has been consistently spouting, at least in the VAST majority of any editorial comment from the right wing speakers I have seen on FOX News for several years now), while at least consistent, completely unrealistic and destructive in the long term.

The far right, IMO, OFTEN uses science denial to push their agendas. The main agendas are:
1). Push for the exploitation of all economic resources, and the hell with the consequences now, and especially later (to the planet or to future generations). This makes obvious sense (now) for the super-rich, but how about everyone else?
2). Push for "Christian" based values, such as family values. Things like the ludicrous position of denying evolution, despite ALL the evidence, are clear indicators of this. I'm all for morality, but using lies to try to legitimize one's position (and force one's personal lifestyle choices on everyone else) will lead to bad policy.

That's their game, it's to be expected. But it's their constant recycling of Third Reich conspiracy theories that chaps me.
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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 15:49:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'W')hat do YOU support?

I'd like to see a coherent and intelligent energy policy from the Obama administration


So you don't care whether he wants to drill or not as long as he doesn't flip-flop? What kind of position is that? Tell me, Planty. To drill or not to drill? Let's get that out of the way before you resume your crusade against Obama.
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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 15:50:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')The Obama administration is so incompetent it can't even articulate what its energy policy is


Pot calling the kettle black.
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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 16:03:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'W')hat do YOU support?

I'd like to see a coherent and intelligent energy policy from the Obama administration


So you don't care whether he wants to drill or not as long as he doesn't flip-flop?


Don't be silly.

Of course it matters whether Obama wants to drill or not. But unfortunately Obama is so weak and incompetent that he can't even make up his own mind as to what his energy policy is, much less articulate it. :idea:
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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 05 Jan 2011, 11:16:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Of course it matters whether Obama wants to drill or not. But unfortunately Obama is so weak and incompetent that he can't even make up his own mind as to what his energy policy is, much less articulate it. :idea:


How many times must I ask you, where do YOU stand?

Everybody else is reading this thread. Half my rebuttals to you may be getting zapped by the mods, but everybody can see that you are evading a perfectly valid question. There is no way to discuss this issue effectively unless we all know where you stand. All that is evident is that you have a single-minded vendetta against Obama, bordering on the pathological. I'm not the only one who has said as much, and I'm not saying it just to lob an ad hom. I really feel like I'm hitting some kind of mental block on your part where you are incapable of taking a stand on an issue, perhaps for fear of being caught in a double-standard.

Until you can do that, then I think you have no rhetorical leg to stand on vis a vis Obama. So if your goal is to make Obama look bad, you better tell me what your preferred policies are, specific policies, not just character arguments like "he should not flip-flop" or "he should not bow to the saudi king".
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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 05 Jan 2011, 16:02:23

Please don't call into question moderators' decisions
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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby Revi » Wed 05 Jan 2011, 18:14:55

Fox News represents a certain culture. This is the culture of Rush Limbaugh, Nascar and fried chicken. They aren't going to hear anything anybody else has to say. They can't hear anything outside of their own sphere of influence.

They think that the earth is a big jelly donut filled with lots of oil. The only reason we can't drill it is that the enviros are all worked up about baby seals and coddling those welfare creeps and won't let them drill baby drill.

If they could just get Obama to give in there would be abundance again.
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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby Xenophobe » Wed 05 Jan 2011, 18:56:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '[')color=#FF0000]Please don't call into question moderators' decisions[/color]


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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 05 Jan 2011, 19:05:01

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Hi mos:

The mods are just trying to get you to comply with the COC (code of conduct).

By posting here we all implicitly agree to follow the COC. The COC calls for eschewing ad homs and obscenities in posts --- and there are other COC rules as well.

I'm happy to chat with you if you'll just calm down and stick to the topics but I have no interest in swapping ad homs and obscenities with you. 8)
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Re: Fox News has declared war on Peakers

Unread postby Xenophobe » Wed 05 Jan 2011, 19:08:25

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Hi mos:

The mods are just trying to get you to comply with the COC (code of conduct).


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