[dorlomin]

Also of note I know of one highly political internet forum where the web owner is constantly harrassed by claims of libel. The claiments know they have no standing but by forcing someone to take a huge amount of time out of their lives and money to fight this it makes it hard for them to keep a normal daily routine so they are forced to impose some censorship.

Its pretty common and only rarely backfires as happened at theMcLibel trial and the Trafigura case.

There is a specialisation of using English courts to sue people from all round the world known as Libel Tourism, anything sold in the UK or viewed here can be sued for libel in an English court.

The law firm Carter Ruck specialise in this.

There are all kinds of interesting ways that laws get twisted in order to supress political dissent. For example a supposedly anti stalking law was created deliberately crafted to target political protests.

This whole game is as old as the hills.

[bochen280]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '&')quot;Safe harbour" is the concept that if a company takes expedious action in taking down copyrighted material then they have a defence to prevent materials being taken down.

What should happen is that when a copright holder sees something on the site that they hold the copyright too they issue a notice and demand it be taken down. If it is the uploader can file a counter note and then the website can restore the video but has to pass on the details of the uploader to the copyright holder and the issue then becomes between those two parties.

Safe harbour means it is not the service providers job to judge wheather something is in violation or not. This is how youtube works. AND this is important for freedom of speech.

Ill like to a favourite youtuber of mine, Potholer54 who goes through how creationists use copyright notifications to try to shut down critique. (Sorry Loki if you cant download this).

This is how youtube works.

There are darknets likefreenet that will be much harder to shutdown.

[dorlomin]

Found it.

Two minutes here will show how the laws are used.

Laws are created with a fuzzy lovable purpose on the top, then the police and large companies collude to ensure this is used to harrass critics.

While this goes a little beyond megauploads, there has been a long running effort to use spurious laws to tie down dissent.

I could go on about this for hours so Ill just get off my soap box.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')
No matter which way you cut it they were copying and distributing music, movies and other copyrighted content without authorization. This is strictly verboten.

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', 'A')lso of note I know of one highly political internet forum where the web owner is constantly harrassed by claims of libel. The claiments know they have no standing but by forcing someone to take a huge amount of time out of their lives and money to fight this it makes it hard for them to keep a normal daily routine so they are forced to impose some censorship...

[Pretorian]

Relax, guys, the snake is out of the bag. Nothing but global nuclear warfare will catch it now.

[Novus]

PO.com will be shut down too due to the number of posted articles on this site. This is pretty much the signal I have been waiting for to bug out. When PO.com goes black. It is over. Get in your bunker and don't look back.

[AgentR11]

While I have more doubt about the inevitability of it, if po.com got shut down like that; that'd be a pretty blatant notification that the government no longer cares about maintaining even the facade of freedom and liberty.

I'll take it as notice to go be quiet in a corner somewhere.
lol.

[SeaGypsy]

In 3 years writing here, another 2 before that as a lurker, I am yet to see any piece of work done here go mainstream anywhere. Hence this is seen as a recycling site. There is also something funny with the way Google processes specific search terms around the subject matter, so articles written here rarely come up. Eastbay has gone pretty quiet here since his book was published. If this is successful it will go down in peakoil.com history as the first commercial or societal impact driver coming from here.

We don't go around encouraging political violence here in any serious way, we don't make any money. We don't generate press. So why would they bother?

[Lore]

Sounds a little paranoid to me. We're still getting music online even though Napster is gone. As far as P.O. Is concerned, there is such a thing as fair use.

[Loki]

Doubt very much TPTB have any interest in shutting down an obscure message board populated primarily by introverted energy wonks and fringe Malthusians.

What kind of access do Chinese have to PO.com? I seem to recall a couple folks in the past who posted from China. I'm guessing it's not censored.

Pretorian is right, the Internet genie has been released from the bottle. The best any would-be authoritarians can do is whack moles.

[SeaGypsy]

The Chinese update their banned list by about 900 sites a month, last I heard. Also you may have noticed we haven't had any Chinese posters stick around any longer than a couple of posts. The only exception to this I can think of is Zeyang's thread on his boat build in China, on which I asked him about the regime and didn't get a response. Probably because he wants to be able to keep posting. The Chinese themselves tend to recoil as soon as politics even comes up, as it invariably does whenever a Chinese joins the chat.

[Loki]

PO.com is #2 on http://www.google.com.hk when searching for "peak oil." Not sure if this is the result a Chinese national would see. Maybe someone with a faster Internet connection than mine, a proxy server, and Mandarin skills can verify this.

But yeah, we have next to no Chinese posters. The main one that comes to mind was an American ex-pat, don't recall his handle, and don't think he's posted in quite a long time.

[SeaGypsy]

Iowem is Chinese, but lives in Singapore all his life, I think Zeyang is French?

[sportsbet01]

Hi, I believe that the internet evolves so quickly that there is no "as we know it". This complicates the normal legal process for regulation. This is much different from the deregulation of the telecommunications industry in the 1980s, when a 300 bps modem was considered a breakthrough and data was measured in kilobytes, not exabytes.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'P')O.com will be shut down too due to the number of posted articles on this site. This is pretty much the signal I have been waiting for to bug out. When PO.com goes black. It is over. Get in your bunker and don't look back.

[Pops]

Man if you are gonna bug because po.com goes black you'd have bugged already!

While messing around with his water bed heater one time, Admin accidentally unplugged the server and we were offline for a week!

[vision-master]

lol............

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'M')an if you are gonna bug because po.com goes black you'd have bugged already!
While messing around with his water bed heater one time, Admin accidentally unplugged the server and we were offline for a week!

[SeaGypsy]

I thought you had this game figured out better Agent? (Or maybe you work for the other team )? It's called subversion. Much more subtle than taking down apparently open intellectual forums, steer them in the direction you (or your employer) wants them to go. As an open platform, PO.com is even more prone to 'branch stacking' than a local activists meeting in the backblocks of suburbia. Worth bearing in mind.