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Re: THE Dubai Thread (merged)

Unread postby eXpat » Mon 07 Dec 2009, 21:52:13

Not everything is lost :lol: ...
Nakheel Creditors May Get Waterfront Land in Default
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Dec. 7 (Bloomberg) -- Nakheel PJSC creditors may win the right to seize a strip of barren waterfront land the size of Manhattan if the company defaults on the $3.5 billion bond backing the development.

Investors will be able to seek foreclosure on the property’s mortgages should the Dubai World unit fail to repay the loan, according to the bond’s prospectus. The debt is due on Dec. 14, after which Nakheel has two weeks to remedy a default.

The property forms part of the Dubai Waterfront project, where Nakheel plans to build a city twice the size of Hong Kong Island. The site is empty except for a cluster of partly finished low-rise buildings, idle cranes and a few roaming camels. Dubai World is delaying the projects it hasn’t started because of the credit crisis, according to Abdulrahman Al Saleh, director general of Dubai’s Department of Finance.

“The project isn’t likely to happen,” said Saud Masud, a Dubai-based real estate analyst at UBS AG. “I’d be very surprised if anything is built in the next five years.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aN22jvnfpaqo&pos=5
I guess the camels may have some resale value :razz:
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Re: THE Dubai Thread (merged)

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Mon 14 Dec 2009, 00:19:40

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Re: THE Dubai Thread (merged)

Unread postby bratticus » Sat 26 Dec 2009, 14:47:45

March 2008:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://americanobserver.net/2008/03/19/dubai/]Dubai: Potemkin’s Arabian Village (link)[/url]

By JOAN SOLEY
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March 19, 2008

If you don’t know who Potemkin was, it’s understandable. He was a Russian shyster who built Hollywood movie set-type villages to impress Catherine the Great on her visit to the Crimea in 1787. Potemkin threw up impressive housing facades, with nothing but wooden support beams and dirt behind them. Which brings me to Dubai; if you haven’t heard of the place, you are either Amish or have recently been found wandering a part of Asia, not entirely convinced WWII is over. Odd connection, you say? Allow me to explain.

I say Dubai, you – being a person with a pulse – say “oh yeah! The place with the 7-star hotel! The place with the man-made Palm Island! That place where they’re building the world’s tallest skyscraper!,” or some such noteworthy feature of the country. All of that is true; however, Dubai is more than a Travel Channel dream-come-true. One of seven Emirates, nestled on the Arabian Gulf, Dubai is where I once lived and worked.

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So, like Potemkin, Dubai is quickly building anything and everything that might garner favorable and headline-grabbing attention. It looks great from the outside – and you’ll have plenty of time to admire their work as you’ll be sitting in traffic for hours. The other profound negative for residents, and by that I mean expats, is the soaring and often absurd cost of living. The majority of Dubai property is not for sale to anyone who is not an Emerati. So, you are a renter and they are landlords reigning supreme. As a couple, try finding a place to live for under $50,000 a year. Go on, I dare you.

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Re: THE Dubai Thread (merged)

Unread postby bratticus » Sat 26 Dec 2009, 15:17:57

"Fixed" -- Nothing to see--move along.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/26988/]Crisis Over as Dubai Receives $10 Billion Abu Dhabi Bailout (link)[/url]

By Stephen Jones
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Dec 25, 2009

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates—The debt-ridden emirate of Dubai has been given a US$10 billion (CA$10.6 billion) handout by its neighbour Abu Dhabi.

It will use US$4.1 billion of the money to pay off the debts of its state-run conglomerate, Dubai World.

A subsidiary of the sprawling investment company, Nakheel, had required the money to pay off an Islamic bond, or sukuk, which matured on Monday.

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Jim Krane, author of “City of Gold: Dubai and the Dream of Capitalism,” said that it was “highly unlikely” that the bailout came without any conditions.

“There were probably around four people in the room during the discussions and the stated conditions are probably known by them alone,” said Krane.

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Re: Investor Shock Dubai Calls For Debt Standstill/Could Default

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Tue 29 Dec 2009, 01:15:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'I') wonder if AIG and the US taxpayer is insuring all this?

Citi's Dubai Mistake: A Sign of More Bad Things to Come?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n late 2008, just weeks after Citi had received its initial TARP funding from the government, Citi helped arrange an $8 billion loan for Dubai's state-linked companies. It's unclear how much of the loan Citi held onto.
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Re: THE Dubai Thread (merged)

Unread postby bratticus » Fri 01 Jan 2010, 16:02:49

Scott free? Not really.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Moody's downgrades Abu Dhabi Commercial Bank (ADCB) as a result of Dubai deterioration (link)

... ... ADCB's asset quality, which had been weakening since the beginning of 2008 given its sub-prime exposures, continued to deteriorate in 2009, given in particular its high loan concentrations to defaulting Saudi corporates, and is now further challenged in light of Dubai World's pending restructuring.
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Re: THE Dubai Thread (merged)

Unread postby eXpat » Sun 03 Jan 2010, 11:04:38

There´s nothing like watching the collapse from a privileged spot :roll:
Burj Dubai Opens As City's Reputation Hangs In Balance
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')DUBAI (Zawya Dow Jones)--The opening of the Burj Dubai, the world's tallest skyscraper, Monday could mark a turning point in the sheikdom's fortunes and those of its ruler after a year that saw both come under intense scrutiny.

Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, the city-state's 60-year-old hereditary leader, hopes the building and its surrounding $20 billion development will help enhance his reputation among international investors and restore the allure of Dubai as a business hub.

Dubai's shock confession in November that one of its largest government-owned conglomerates couldn't pay its debts triggered a slide in world markets and prompted many analysts to question the city's economic model of borrow and build. Burj Dubai, it's hoped will redress the growing international perception of the emirate as an economic delinquent instead of a role model for the Arab world.

Saud Masud, head of research at UBS AG in Dubai and a regular commentator on the emirate's real-estate industry, says Burj Dubai will help the city to "stay in the limelight as home to a global landmark." Still, Masud forecasts that Dubai real estate prices could drop a further 30% this year after falling 50% in 2009.

After struggling with an $80 billion mountain of debt, no expense will be spared in Dubai for the opening, which takes place under a shroud of tight security. The carefully choreographed ceremony, which includes 10,000 fireworks, coincides with Sheik Mohammed's four-year anniversary as ruler.

The sheik, a passionate racehorse owner and published poet, was forced last year to turn to his oil-rich cousins in Abu Dhabi for financial assistance. The call for help prompted many analysts to question whether Dubai would be forced embarrassingly to sell prized assets to Abu Dhabi and surrender elements of its autonomy in order to pay its debts.
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Sheik Mohammed rejected initial plans for the Burj Dubai presented to him by the building's developer Emaar Properties PJSC (EMAAR.DFM) and demanded a taller, more impressive structure, said Krane, who is an expert on the emirate and a former resident.

"He sees himself as a great Arab building king," said Krane in a telephone interview. "Dubai represents Sheik Mohammed's bid to trigger an Arab renaissance and this is the thinking behind the Burj Dubai. Whether he can succeed is an open question."

According to Krane, the tower and its surrounding real-estate will never pay for itself.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100103-702584.html
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Re: THE Dubai Thread (merged)

Unread postby dinopello » Tue 05 Jan 2010, 01:02:46

Worlds tallest building opens in Dubai. And, there was much rejoicing. :roll:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')housands of cheering, clapping spectators watched as a tally projected on huge screens at the opening ceremony revealed the tower's most closely guarded secret -- its height of 2,717 feet. That made it more than 1,000 feet higher than the skyscraper known as Taipei 101 in Taiwan, which at 1,667 feet had been the world's tallest since 2004.


And, it's perfectly safe, which is why they have all the refuges...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')reg Sang, Emaar's director of projects, said the Burj Khalifa has "refuge floors" at 25 to 30 story intervals that are more fire resistant and have separate air supplies in case of emergency. Its reinforced concrete structure, he said, makes it stronger than steel-frame skyscrapers.

"A plane won't be able to slice through the Burj like it did through the steel columns of the World Trade Center," he said.
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Re: THE Dubai Thread (merged)

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 05 Jan 2010, 07:41:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '[')url=http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Dubai-opens-halfmilehigh-apf-1107781099.htm]Worlds tallest building opens in Dubai.[/url] And, there was much rejoicing. :roll:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')housands of cheering, clapping spectators watched as a tally projected on huge screens at the opening ceremony revealed the tower's most closely guarded secret -- its height of 2,717 feet. That made it more than 1,000 feet higher than the skyscraper known as Taipei 101 in Taiwan, which at 1,667 feet had been the world's tallest since 2004.


And, it's perfectly safe, which is why they have all the refuges...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')reg Sang, Emaar's director of projects, said the Burj Khalifa has "refuge floors" at 25 to 30 story intervals that are more fire resistant and have separate air supplies in case of emergency. Its reinforced concrete structure, he said, makes it stronger than steel-frame skyscrapers.

"A plane won't be able to slice through the Burj like it did through the steel columns of the World Trade Center," he said.


It is a beautiful building to look at and if the internal space were distributed for hydroponic farming and such it would be self contained except for energy use.

I wonder how long it will be before another building equals this acheivment, 10 years? 100 years? 1000 years?
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Re: THE Dubai Thread (merged)

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 05 Jan 2010, 09:55:20

I'm glad the building got completed. It will probably be the final monument of industrial civilization in the end, and it may as well have its brief day in the sun before it becomes the inevitable casualty of collapse.
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Re: THE Dubai Thread (merged)

Unread postby Ferretlover » Tue 05 Jan 2010, 12:16:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'A')nd, it's perfectly safe, which is why they have all the refuges$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')reg Sang, Emaar's director of projects ... "A plane won't be able to slice through the Burj like it did through the steel columns of the World Trade Center," he said.

HHHmmm... Sounds rather like a challenge, does it not? :lol:
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Re: THE Dubai Thread (merged)

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 05 Jan 2010, 15:03:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')The Burj certainly won't be the target of a Muslim terrorist.


Don't be so certain. There is plenty of muslim-on-muslim terrorism going on these days (see Pakistan for instance).
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Re: THE Dubai Thread (merged)

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Tue 05 Jan 2010, 17:42:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
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Actually, Al Queda's primary goal is to get rid of the Saudi royals and other assorted Emirs and High Poobahs who have been kept in power for decades by the US.

That's what the "War on Terror" is all about, keeping these pro-US despots on their thrones.

The Burj is emblematic of these so it will be a prime target.
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Re: THE Dubai Thread (merged)

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 05 Jan 2010, 19:26:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '
')keeping these pro-US despots on their thrones.


If you think the royal house of Saud is "despotic" just wait and see what a Taliban-like government would be like there.

Reform is badly needed there, but not the Al Qaeda variety.
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Re: THE Dubai Thread (merged)

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 05 Jan 2010, 20:53:10

http://www.ameinfo.com/220359.html

Fantastic opening ceremony. New name Burj Khalifa.
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Dubai Loan Default Launches Phase Two Global Collapse

Unread postby timmac » Tue 19 Jan 2010, 20:08:54

Could the Dubai's debt start to drag on the world banks soon, is there another colapse coming very soon, it appears as if things has started to level off here in America in the last 60 days but is this just the calm before the next financial storm..


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Re: Dubai Loan Default Launches Phase Two Global Collapse

Unread postby WyoDutch » Tue 19 Jan 2010, 20:34:26

I'm not sure that "leveling off" is anything to cheer about.
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Re: Dubai Loan Default Launches Phase Two Global Collapse

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 19 Jan 2010, 20:37:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'C')ould the Dubai's debt start to drag on the world banks soon, is there another colapse coming very soon, it appears as if things has started to level off here in America in the last 60 days but is this just the calm before the next financial storm..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk2ixKgycrs


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