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THE Dr. A. M. Bakhtiari Thread (merged)

General discussions of the systemic, societal and civilisational effects of depletion.

Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 07:25:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('darrin', '
')fortuantely for me, NSW State trains are usually late, that is of course, if they actually turn up at all, usually the shortness of breath and panic is caused by anger at knowing your going to be late for work/appointment yet again, however, your point is taken :)


All too true! :lol:

By the way, somebody tried to derail an XPT. I hope they catch the fool and throw the book at him. HARD. Of course, they picked up on the problem with signal variations and stopped the train well short.

What's more, the git tried it twice.
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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby killJOY » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 07:35:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') remember him saying on the radio in Australia a year or two ago "we will never get over 81mb/d". Don't forget ASPO just pushed the peak back to 2010, but hey the drama queens don't like that.


You want certainty instead of the provisional conclusions of science?
Go to church.
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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby Antimatter » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 07:48:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') remember him saying on the radio in Australia a year or two ago "we will never get over 81mb/d". Don't forget ASPO just pushed the peak back to 2010, but hey the drama queens don't like that.


You want certainty instead of the provisional conclusions of science?
Go to church.


I don't expect certaintly, thats why i can't help rolling my eyes at some of the posts in this thread.
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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 09:20:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leaf', 'T')his is not good. I have followed the Dr for some time and also know his predictions well and I feel he is one of the best in the field! I take his words and prediction before I take anyone elses..ie even way before Campbell, Kunstler, Dyeffess ect.. I highly respect this man! This is the worst news Ive read in awile :cry: :cry:


Remember, Deffeyes prediction is for Thanksgiving THIS year. I'm holding my personal date at '08 (gamble, and I figured I might as well pick a date that seems to be reasonably unique atm). for the moment, but should enough evidence mount (my current feeling is we're on the start of the plateau, which I see as being relatively short).

Regardless, of when it is, I do think the idea of using Thanksgiving Day as a 'let's get the ball rolling' day isn't a bad idea.
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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby drew » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 09:43:47

He must have a pretty good crystal ball. Could you guys ask him when the US econ will tank so I can make some hedge plays.

I think he may be premature, but you never know 8O

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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby peripato » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 10:26:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Antimatter', 'I') remember him saying...a year or two ago "we will never get over 81mb/d".

He also stated in 2003 that the peak would fall within the range of 79.5 and 82.5 BBs sometime this decade allowing a margin of error for intangible things which affected production. Especially political considerations which in some cases tended to overshadow other factors like new oil finds and existing field depletion rates.
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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 11:11:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peripato', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Antimatter', 'I') remember him saying...a year or two ago "we will never get over 81mb/d".

He also stated in 2003 that the peak would fall within the range of 79.5 and 82.5 BBs sometime this decade allowing a margin of error for intangible things which affected production. Especially political considerations which in some cases tended to overshadow other factors like new oil finds and existing field depletion rates.


What the value actually is doesn't really matter. what matters is that we start preparing for the aftermath, because this is going to be painful.

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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby Geko45 » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 11:16:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilsNotWell', 'B')ut it's too late. The train cannot stop now. And you know it.

But then, all of a sudden, the terminator that you reprogrammed in the future to be your defender in this time appears! He plants his feet in the tracks and braces against the oncoming train. When they collide, the train crumples like an emtpy soda can against the terminator's hyper-alloy combat chasis. He then unties you from the tracks and says "Come with me if you want to live."

See science will save us from PO and science fiction will save us from PO analogies!

:P
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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby OilsNotWell » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 11:58:26

Classic Geko,l we needed that. :-D

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') remember him saying...a year or two ago "we will never get over 81mb/d".

He also stated in 2003 that the peak would fall within the range of 79.5 and 82.5 BBs sometime this decade allowing a margin of error for intangible things which affected production. Especially political considerations which in some cases tended to overshadow other factors like new oil finds and existing field depletion rates.


Are you guys thinking of the Texan T. Boone Pickens perhaps? He's said things like that as I recall...and the figure was 84mMb/d I believe..
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Re: Bye-bye, Peak Oil

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 12:46:29

But there's so much to see from up here, I can see the bumpy plateau, and I can just make out the edge of a cliff in the distance.

Funny, it's not as high as I thought it was going to be.

You did remember to bring the flag, right?
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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby peripato » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 20:04:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilsNotWell', 'C')lassic Geko,l we needed that. :-D

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') remember him saying...a year or two ago "we will never get over 81mb/d".

He also stated in 2003 that the peak would fall within the range of 79.5 and 82.5 BBs sometime this decade allowing a margin of error for intangible things which affected production. Especially political considerations which in some cases tended to overshadow other factors like new oil finds and existing field depletion rates.


Are you guys thinking of the Texan T. Boone Pickens perhaps? He's said things like that as I recall...and the figure was 84mMb/d I believe..

No it was Bakhtiari. He also repeats this statement in an article from his websiteentitled The World Oil Production Capacity Model.
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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby OilsNotWell » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 20:57:46

Thank you! I was familiar with WOCAP, but it had been a while. Dr. Bahktiari seemed to have had to withdraw from view due to the political situation since last year (for instance, he was effectively blocked, I believe, from attending industry conferences..)
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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 21:09:37

Personally, I think peak occured sometime between 1998 and 2003, and we are now just beginning to see its after effects.

Note the price of oil was $12 in 1998. It was $20 in 2001. $25 in 2002. $35 in 2003. $45 in 2004. $60 this year.

I'd guess we'll hit $90 before next year is over.
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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby stepka » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 01:40:04

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051027/D8DGL2502.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')xxon said hurricanes slashed U.S. production volumes by 5 percent from a year ago, while global daily production slipped to 2.45 million barrels of oil equivalent from 2.51 million barrels. By the end of the year, it will cost the company about $100 million after taxes, the company estimated.
My thought is; there's always hurricanes. Yes, they've been bad this year, at least for us--But we're not the main producers.
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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby clv101 » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 06:13:47

The data just isn't good enough to know if we are extracting 82 or 84 mbpd at the moment. Too much local extraction/consumption that never gets traded or counted, too many special deals with neighbours that never see the open market. I think there's a few million barrels per day uncertainty on global extraction rates. Given the current state of the Gulf of Mexico we're certainly extracting less oil globally than earlier in the year... The era of peak oil extraction is now, the precise day and rate of maximum extraction is meaningless.
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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby untothislast » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 06:30:58

We're all aware that a peak is coming - and also, that it won't arrive (or be acknowledged) as one specific date on the calendar. The best we can do, is to make quiet preparation for a transition to a simpler lifestyle, which will depend more upon personal ingenuity and cooperation in problem solving,than we've known for the past 200 years.
On a practical level, if you've ever put off arranging simple, and presently available, medical tests for diabetes, glaucoma, heart conditions, asthma - or whatever - now might be a good time to start thinking about it.
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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby PWALPOCO » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 07:11:08

Ive asked this question once before but didnt recall seeing a reply ( neither ridicule or debate !)

Do we ever get to know the volumes of oil being traded each day ?

Surely there will be a group of sellers who got the oil from the ground , and a group of buyers who need the oil to make it into something else?

I was wondering if there would be any clues in the volumes being traded as to the "peak" date?

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Re: Dr. Bahktiari Calls It. Peak Is Now.

Unread postby some_guy282 » Mon 31 Oct 2005, 00:31:23

Looks like Dale Allen Pfeiffer agrees.
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