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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby Fishman » Fri 19 Jul 2013, 13:05:43

And yet, and yet, what the bankruptcy judge will do is reverse essentially everything the Democrats have done over the last decades. Hey, they told us that if we voted for Romney Detroit would go broke. LMAO
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby noobtube » Fri 19 Jul 2013, 13:06:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')t was "Arab Spring."

Next. "Michigan Spring"

Then. "<Your City> Spring"


Real Michiganders do not acknowledge Detroit as being part of the state and yoopers don't believe they are as well.


So, I suspect you mean racist trash.

Personally, it would be nice if Detroit were its own sovereignty so the outsiders wouldn't have any control over the city. Because, it is clear they are waging an economic, political, and social war against Detroit and have been for decades.
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby John_A » Fri 19 Jul 2013, 13:56:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('noobtube', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')t was "Arab Spring."

Next. "Michigan Spring"

Then. "<Your City> Spring"


Real Michiganders do not acknowledge Detroit as being part of the state and yoopers don't believe they are as well.


So, I suspect you mean racist trash.

Personally, it would be nice if Detroit were its own sovereignty so the outsiders wouldn't have any control over the city. Because, it is clear they are waging an economic, political, and social war against Detroit and have been for decades.


Outsiders forced the unions which have been running the place for decades through political influence to build cars no one wants to buy? Interesting theory. My vote goes to bad cars, union management of the politics of the town, and a mentality designed from the ground up on the idea that only a certified union light bulb installer can install light bulbs and the assembly line must stop and wait until he is summoned to do this mighty deed.

The town failed because they didn't have a union certified light bulb installer when one was needed, and everyone reflexively just sat there and waited for him to arrive, whilst the city imploded around their inaction.
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby dorlomin » Fri 19 Jul 2013, 14:36:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '
')Outsiders forced the unions which have been running the place for decades through political influence to build cars no one wants to buy?

The unions decided which cars to build?

Unions signed the trade agreements that allowed jobs to be off shored?
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby AgentR11 » Fri 19 Jul 2013, 15:12:10

The only answer I see in how this could have been avoided, is if Detroit had annexed far and wide to capture those revenues. At the same time, it would have captured a ton of much more conservative voters who would have been far less generous to the union groups, thus constraining the long term structural costs.

The problem of course, is that city councilcritters prefer their voter base as-is, but still spend money as if the people they drove away are still present and paying taxes.
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby careinke » Fri 19 Jul 2013, 15:36:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'T')he only answer I see in how this could have been avoided, is if Detroit had annexed far and wide to capture those revenues. At the same time, it would have captured a ton of much more conservative voters who would have been far less generous to the union groups, thus constraining the long term structural costs.

The problem of course, is that city councilcritters prefer their voter base as-is, but still spend money as if the people they drove away are still present and paying taxes.


I can see it now, a new law that says if you leave the city you have to leave your wealth behind, (and still pay the city taxes on future earnings). That should fix things AND allow the politicians to keep their voter base.
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby dsula » Fri 19 Jul 2013, 15:59:43

A city in Africa, short on cash? That's not surprising.
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby vision-master » Fri 19 Jul 2013, 18:27:30

Today......

JUDGE RULES DETROIT'S CHAPTER 9 BANKRUPTCY FILING IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby Plantagenet » Fri 19 Jul 2013, 19:04:32

Congressperson Chaka Fattah, a leader of the Congressional Urban Caucus, sent a letter to President Obama yesterday calling on the Administration to provide a federal bailout to Detroit, Michigan following the news that the city has filed for bankruptcy.

When it was announced the president had called an emergency press conference today, I was expecting President Obama to respond to Congressperson's Fattah's letter and say whether or not he supports a bailout for Detroit, but instead it turned out that Obama had called the press to the White House so he could share his feelings about Trayvon Martin.

I guess Detroit will have to wait a bit longer to find out if President Obama will take steps to bail them out....the president's thoughts are still on Trayvon right now.
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby dolanbaker » Fri 19 Jul 2013, 20:16:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'C')ongressperson Chaka Fattah, a leader of the Congressional Urban Caucus, sent a letter to President Obama yesterday calling on the Administration to provide a federal bailout to Detroit, Michigan following the news that the city has filed for bankruptcy.

When it was announced the president had called an emergency press conference today, I was expecting President Obama to respond to Congressperson's Fattah's letter and say whether or not he supports a bailout for Detroit, but instead it turned out that Obama had called the press to the White House so he could share his feelings about Trayvon Martin.

I guess Detroit will have to wait a bit longer to find out if President Obama will take steps to bail them out....the president's thoughts are still on Trayvon right now.
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby PrestonSturges » Fri 19 Jul 2013, 20:51:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '
')Outsiders forced the unions which have been running the place for decades through political influence to build cars no one wants to buy?

The unions decided which cars to build?
Unions signed the trade agreements that allowed jobs to be off shored?

Exactly - the catastrophic design decisions were made by a bloated, isolated management which had multiple divisions making nearly identical products.
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby Oneaboveall » Fri 19 Jul 2013, 20:58:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'w')hen you turn any/all discussions into anti-obama screeds, we stop listening. Almost like an organic-ignore.

Just put him on actual "ignore", you'll feel a lot better.
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby Plantagenet » Fri 19 Jul 2013, 21:23:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote(' ', ' ')anti-obama screeds...


Its not "anti-Obama" to note that Congresspeople in the urban caucus, the man who was in charge of the TARP GM bailout, and many others are calling on Obama to bail out Detroit.

Detroit is the largest US city ever to go bankrupt. When NYC was facing bankruptcy back in the 1970s, the Ford Administration, after initally opposing it, finally came through 2.3 BILLION dollars for NYC so it could avoid bankruptcy.

Its too late for Detroit to avoid filing for bankruptcy, unless some higher federal court reverses federal bankruptcy court, but it seems quite possible that the Obama administration will follow in the footsteps of what Gerald Ford for NYC 40 years ago and work to get federal bailout money for Detroit. 8)
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby PrestonSturges » Fri 19 Jul 2013, 21:51:16

The anti-Obama screeds should be enough to convince anyone that the GOP is completely cut off from reality and has no plan or goals.
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby Lore » Fri 19 Jul 2013, 23:19:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('noobtube', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')t was "Arab Spring."

Next. "Michigan Spring"

Then. "<Your City> Spring"


Real Michiganders do not acknowledge Detroit as being part of the state and yoopers don't believe they are as well.


So, I suspect you mean racist trash.

Personally, it would be nice if Detroit were its own sovereignty so the outsiders wouldn't have any control over the city. Because, it is clear they are waging an economic, political, and social war against Detroit and have been for decades.


Outsiders forced the unions which have been running the place for decades through political influence to build cars no one wants to buy? Interesting theory. My vote goes to bad cars, union management of the politics of the town, and a mentality designed from the ground up on the idea that only a certified union light bulb installer can install light bulbs and the assembly line must stop and wait until he is summoned to do this mighty deed.

The town failed because they didn't have a union certified light bulb installer when one was needed, and everyone reflexively just sat there and waited for him to arrive, whilst the city imploded around their inaction.


What most of the rest of Michigan natives hated was that state dollars were always being funneled down to Detoit to keep the wheels of commerce and their politicians greased.
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby Tanada » Sat 20 Jul 2013, 08:28:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'W')hat most of the rest of Michigan natives hated was that state dollars were always being funneled down to Detoit to keep the wheels of commerce and their politicians greased.


Amen to that! I grew up 40 miles southwest of Detroit. I still have my Detroit tricentenial T-Shirt and Sweat Shirt. I love the city, as a cultural venue like the Fox Theater, Belle Isle or Tiger Stadium (Comerica Park). But the place has been decaying for a long time and the corruption has been constant and pervasive for much of the last 50 years. When residents flee corruption it isn't racism, it is common freaking sense. You have two choices, stay where you are despised and ruled over by people who ignore your needs or move 10 miles and live where you are welcomed and can prosper. Who in their right mind would choose option one?

Term limits in the state legislature broke much of the Detroit power base away, the system was set up so senior members got pretty much what they wanted and Detroit had a lot of the senior leadership. Once the seniority system got scrapped with term limits they went back to having power proportionate to their population and a lot less money got dumped into the politically connected pockets in Detroit/Wayne County. Mayor Dennis Archer and Mayor Dave Bing both sought to clean out some of the corruption, with some success here and there. Unfortunately in between they had Kwame Kilpatrick who is known for having about as corrupt an office as humanly possible, despite which he got re-elected before being forced to resign when federal corruption charges were filed against him and he plead guilty in 2008.
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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

Postby Plantagenet » Sat 20 Jul 2013, 13:02:49

Detroit suburb considers erecting 12-14 foot wall to keep Detroiters out

Should Hamtramck build a 12-14 foot wall to keep Detroiters out?

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Re: Detroit Files For Chapter 9 Bankruptcy

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