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THE Cars Thread pt 4 (merged)

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Re: Bill Heard, 13 New Car Dealerships Shut Doors Today [9/2

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 14:37:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '
')Make no mistake, the printing press is still running just as fast except that the money is now being handed out to different people. :roll:


And I don't even get granite countertops out of the deal? :P
There's a lot of homes in California that have expensive granite counter tops and cheap Pergo laminate floors.
That's the real estate equivalent of walking around in a pair of sweat pants and holding a Louis Vuitton purse.....real tacky.

What happened was that in 2006 when the market started to get weak, many home owners tried upgrading their homes to get it to sell.
Most owners were adamantly opposed to lowering their prices so many went the "upgrading" route and hence the ridiculously large number of homes right now with granite counter tops and Pergo flooring.

This is why I'm a doomer.
The number of examples of a misallocation of resources knows no limits.


"We'll keep doing what we do, until we can't, and then we won't."

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Re: Bill Heard, 13 New Car Dealerships Shut Doors Today [9/2

Unread postby cube » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 16:19:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'T')his is why I have both feet firmly placed in the inflation camp.
Do you think it would get as bad as Argentina's 20% per month, 1000% a year?
...
What makes the USA unique from Argentina and basically every other nation on the planet is our debt is completely denominated in our own currency. Therefore we technically never have to worry about debt default. We can pay back the Chinese the $1.6T we owe them simply by running the printing press and the same goes to every other foreign nation we owe money too. Of course this is not without consequences, but the point I'm making is this is an option the USA has that other nations don't.
Argentina could NOT repay US debt by printing more Argentine dollars/peso, but the USA can pay off EVERYBODY using US dollars..........for now.

This is why I'm positive the USA is headed for inflation.
Will it be hyperinflation? I don't know.
I just know that the temptation to not run the printing press is too much for any politician to resist (BOTH Dumb-o-crats + Repugnant-icans).
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Re: How Long Should A Car Last?

Unread postby grassland » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 04:01:55

My geo mero 3 cylinder has 147 thousand miles on it and this week I measureed 132 miles and it took me 2.3 gallons.

still runs great.
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Re: How Long Should A Car Last?

Unread postby hope_full » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 05:33:14

2003 Camry with 120,000 miles. (I am self-employed and take a lot of business trips.) I bought it new and it's a beautiful car with all the optiions that I wanted. I was planning to replace it this year with a Priuss, but now I've decided to hang on to it. The idea of taking on debt gives me the heebie jeebies.

More than driving style, I'd argue that maintenance is more important for long life. Good gas, good oil and good filters are important for longevity.
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Re: How Long Should A Car Last?

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 05:52:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'M')y target is 10 years. I like to finance it for 5 years and then drive it another 5 years.


Ten years is easy.

A car will last as long as you wish to keep repairing it.

Most of the time people get sick of repairing the car and just want something they can reliably get in and crank every morning without worrying. That reliability is worth a lot of money.

If like me you have a spare vehicle (motorcycle) to get to work, or you don't really need a car, tolerating the niggling frequent repairs is much easier.

My worry for the future is that repair parts become unavailable. In that situation you have to adapt the electronics and mechanical parts from other cars that weren't really designed for your car. That's a total PITA, but it can be done.

We see this more with Japanese motorcycles. Suppliers only manufacture a 15 year (expected) supply of parts for those. BMW and Harley are much better in that regard. BMW still stocks parts for bikes they made in 1923.
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Re: How Long Should A Car Last?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 08:59:49

30 years is a pretty reasonable goal IMHO.

I just scrapped my 1976 pickup a couple of months ago. It got so rusty it just wasn't worth trying to keep it up.
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Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Re: How Long Should A Car Last?

Unread postby MarkJ » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 11:31:30

Before vehicles become problematic, my target range is as follows.

GM - 8 to 10 Years/100,000 to 150,000 Miles

Ford 10 to 12 Years 150,000 to 200,000 Miles

Honda/Nissan/Toyota 15 Plus Years 200,000 to 250,000 miles

Here in the Northeast, the winter driving, plus the sand & salt on our roads wreaks havoc on the undercarriage of some vehicles long before the engines and transmissions fail.
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Re: How Long Should A Car Last?

Unread postby WildRose » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 12:29:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')'m thinking any vehicle should last as long as the owner can make it run.
My old Ford pickup will run as long as I can keep 2 of 8 firing.
1 of 8 might be hard on the bearings...

My husband does most of the repairs on our vehicles. We just retired an '88 Toyota van. We just bought a 2000 Toyota van and it should see us through all the years of kids and dogs we have left.

Most of our vehicles have been much older than most people would considering buying, but it really only makes financial sense if you can save money by doing repairs yourself.
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Re: How Long Should A Car Last?

Unread postby Loki » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 16:04:24

My Ford truck is 20 years old and still going (fairly) strong. Owned it for 7 years and had to replace the battery (twice), the starter (twice), the driveshaft (it fell off as I was driving; that was scary), the fuel pump, and get some hoses and such repaired. Not too bad considering it has 195,000+ miles.
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Re: How Long Should A Car Last?

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 23:52:56

i had a friend with 1938 nazi-made BMW which had 2.2 mln km on it. That was in 1999, I've heard he still has it and it runs fine
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Re: How Long Should A Car Last?

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 23:55:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WisJim', 'I') usually buy a car that is 8 to 12 years old. Our newest car is a 2000 Metro that we bought from a friend for about $1200. It has about 90k miles now, and it gets 35 mpg in town in the winter when the weather is bad, and sometimes 55 on the hiway. The one I drive in winter is a 1989 Honda Civic, bought it through a Craig's list ad for $250, and it has only about 190k miles on it, and should last me quite a while yet. My son's car is a 1992 Civic VX, gets 40mpg city and 45 to 56 hiway mpg. It has over 280k miles on it. Our Citicar (all electric 2 passenger 1975 vintage) is in the garage in pieces, but hopefully will be on the road this summer for the driving we need to do in town. It will be charged from our wind and PV system.

To answer the question in the header of this thread, I think that a car should last 20+ years, 300k miles, barring accidents or rust outs.


you'd better get some kick-ass life insurance.
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Re: How Long Should A Car Last?

Unread postby firefly » Sun 05 Oct 2008, 13:22:36

Life insurance companies are going out of business.
Just drive the speed limit and watch for drunks.
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Re: How Long Should A Car Last?

Unread postby firefly » Sun 05 Oct 2008, 13:28:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'i') had a friend with 1938 nazi-made BMW which had 2.2 mln km on it. That was in 1999, I've heard he still has it and it runs fine


Those nazi's shure knew how to build cars. Too bad they are going to loose the election this time.
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Re: How Long Should A Car Last?

Unread postby skeptik » Sun 05 Oct 2008, 13:37:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '[')b]My target is 10 years. I like to finance it for 5 years and then drive it another 5 years. Life has intruded on this plan repeatedly and I've never actually done it, but I've come close.

Most cars, with care, can go 200,000 miles without a lot of problems.


If you buy a German or Scandinavian car the target ought to be 15 years. And with obsessively good maintenance, a lot more is possible, apparently.

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Re: How Long Should A Car Last?

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Sun 05 Oct 2008, 13:51:42

I drive a Toyota Landcruiser. It is an awesome machine. Incredible quality. Designed for 300,000 miles plus. Quite, big and safe, lots of horsepower and can go anywhere. It's like driving down the road in a comfy armchair.

Not so good on gas! After oil, its a paper weight! LOL
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Doomer Car

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 30 Oct 2008, 14:04:26

Perfect car for the doomer. Die off in STYLE.

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Re: My car is 15 years old now. What do I do?

Unread postby SuperTico » Thu 30 Oct 2008, 15:26:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Syeer', '1')5 years? That's it?

My car is 44 years old (64 VW Beetle)- daily driver. It does its job reliably and without using too much fuel, and that's really all that's needed.


As long as you car gets acceptable gas mileage and still gets you from point A to point B reliably, I see no reason in the world to get another car.

However, it's a different story if the car fails here on either of these two conditions.

I just got rid of a 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee limited that was as new.
Original owner, paint, mint interior piece of chit car.
The electronics sucked ( Amerikkan maid LOL) and the mileage was about 13-15 per gallon.

I replaced it with a 1975 Toyota Land Cruiser 2.4L diesel. The thing gets over 30 MPG and you can rebuild the whole car with a socket set and a screwdriver. This or the previous posters choice.
The GREAT VW beetle.
Best two cars ever produced ( or ever will be)

Sorry tho. In the US of empyre they didn't offer the Toyota diesel. Too efficient !
That same year they had the Chevy Silverado 454 tho !
10 miles to the gallon.
Idiots.

Lol... I bought that same Grand Cherokee in 1998, before the Chrysler buyout of American Motors & it's been a great truck.

Still own it...

Straight six engine... easy to work on... reliable & inexpensive. Around 22 mpg.

Only car I ever bought new though... and the last I expect. Funny thing is, I never drove it as a new car. Days after the purchase I broke both my legs and ended up getting hauled around in it like cargo for a year.

Drove it off the lot... next time I drove it, it had 50,000 miles.

Figures...
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Re: My car is 15 years old now. What do I do?

Unread postby Nickel » Thu 30 Oct 2008, 15:54:58

For heaven's sake, hang onto it! Next year it'll be old enough to drive itself. :)
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Re: Doomer Car

Unread postby timmac » Thu 30 Oct 2008, 18:26:52

Did you read the story, it was a pre-owned coffin..
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