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THE Canary in the Mineshaft Thread

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Re: The Canary is Dead - schools going BK

Unread postby lawnchair » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 13:19:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I')f education is failing in this country it is because we have bought into a socialist lie. We insist that all children are equal. We tell them that they can be anything they want to be.


Um... recenter your notion of 'socialism'. Were the Ruskies socialists? Because they had far more testing... smart kids went to aeronautical school or engineering school, not so smart kids go to trade school than we did. Germany? Sweden? Far more socialist than us. Far more kids going to trade schools or entering the workforce earlier.

America is the exceptional case there. Combination of liberal mewling and the conservative big lie of "but anyone can succeed" that we tell the poor and not-so-gifted so they don't throw bombs at the luckier people. The Europeans give them make-work, dole, and subsistence to stave the riots, instead.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dolormin', 'W')e are currently living on the investment of the 50s and the 60s


The truth. I look around and see a lot of the 50s in my schools. A lot of schools from the 50s. A lot of teachers who got their education in the 50s. Besides the interstates and dams, Eisenhower invested a whole lot in schools (the Sputnik spook). He did all that with a balanced budget, so the "greatest generation" didn't leave the "baby boom" in hock. Grateful lot, they were. Say it again with me... what was the top marginal fed income tax rate in the Ike years? 91%.
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Re: The Canary is Dead - schools going BK

Unread postby Flowerr » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 13:35:07

I can write a book on parenting.

but no one would believe it.
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Re: The Canary is Dead - schools going BK

Unread postby mattduke » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 13:51:42

The new highschool in my hometown (which replaced the perfectly good, but old, building that I went to) has the same look and feel of a prison. Students are not allowed to put anything on the walls "because it's new." It's out in the middle of nowhere, requiring a long drive. They hate it. Why anyone would send their children to government school is beyond me. I'd sooner send them to a VA hospital for treatment.
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Re: The Canary is Dead - schools going BK

Unread postby Flowerr » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 14:04:01

Why don't you write to the autism society and tell them why our rates jumped from 1/50,000 to 1 in 100 then.
they would like to know.
they will never figure it out.
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Re: The Canary is Dead - schools going BK

Unread postby davep » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 14:09:13

Shanny, I think the major factor in the increase in cancer is our increased consumption of refined sugars.

It's been known for a long time that cancer cells metabolise far more glucose than other cells. According to one article "glucose-deprived tumor cells die from oxidative stress".

So, eating a diet where the body regularly goes into ketosis (i.e. when the body starts consuming ketone bodies from fat rather than glucose) is a good way of avoiding the onset and spread of cancer. It helps prevent obesity, type 2 diabetes and god knows what else too.
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Re: The Canary is Dead - schools going BK

Unread postby Flowerr » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 14:12:14

yes. That is a big problem as is also artificial sweeteners.
water is a good drink.
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Re: The Canary is Dead - schools going BK

Unread postby IslandCrow » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 14:19:14

Pheba...Wow, this is one topic that got you going 8O , but I found it helpful. :)

Our first child had no sugar until she was about 1. One time she got into the shopping and was happily eating a bag full of cranberries (I am sure she would not have done this if she had sugar in her diet at that time). However, it was harder when the second one came along as the we had already relaxed the diet for the older child and it was too hard to insist on different standards for each child!

We skipped most of the baby food, getting a small hand grinder and the children got the same food as we were eating (OK we were careful at the weaning stage and didn't give them every thing that we were eating, such as giving only ground up green beans). BTW a small hand grinder/mill would be a very useful item to have for a PO world. It would be good for feeding grandparents as well as young babies.

TV for our children only came when they were in their teens! But is means that both have a good library (which fortunately they still store here - I will miss the books if they set up their own places)
We should teach our children the 4-Rs: Reduce, Reuse, Recycle and Rejoice.
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Re: The Canary is Dead - schools going BK

Unread postby davep » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 14:22:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Flowerr', 'y')es. and radiation in our foods, background from years of nuclear testing and chrnobyl.
Animals concentrate it.
also, fat. Increased fat in diet increases the risk, stay away from fast foods.

See, fats are crucial to form sterols, and sterols are inhibited by neg inhibition and are driven forward with increased source, sterols are key to turning on reproductio rates and limiting cell reproduction etc

in other words we were not designed for such high calorie living, hunters gatherers went hungry a lot

now we overload and develop cells that lose control


lots of factors.

but all of them are getting worse. high calorie junk is affordable by anyone.


I personally think that it's the readily absorbable sugar in junk food (e.g. the burger bun) that is the major problem. It induces very high blood sugar levels and subsequent hypoglycaemia (and insulin resistance etc).

As for sterols, it has been proven that a high lipid, low carbohydrate diet (or low glycaemic index carbohydrates) actually improves blood cholesterol (and triglycerides). It may seem counter-intuitive, but we're not just simple in-out organisms.
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Re: The Canary is Dead - schools going BK

Unread postby Flowerr » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 14:23:08

Danged if I am going to risk retribution just to be made fun of.
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Re: The Canary is Dead - schools going BK

Unread postby Flowerr » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 14:25:35

well, have a nice day.
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Re: The Canary is Dead - schools going BK

Unread postby mercurygirl » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 14:29:36

Shanny, many of my opinions are the same as yours.

I remember people trying to put distance between me and my child when she was only a few months old, can you imagine? One of my friends who is a little clueless, told me when my kid was 5 months old and still sleeping with me, that I was being selfish! I was so mad, I didn't speak to her for a long time.

Not only protein, but fats also are necessary for brain development. Yes, animal fat too. That's why babies drink milk, they need cholesterol and fat. My kid loves cheese and nut butter and salmon and avocado, for examples.
I have a young cousin who had a baby around the time I did and was sadly misinformed. She fed the baby soy formula (a big no-no), I think because "the doctor said to try it". When I saw her baby at around 5 months, she looked to me like she had tremors. Saw her next at 18 months and compared to my child she looked skinny, pale, and puny. I wonder how much her brain growth suffered.

The thing that worries me is these damaged kids are the people my child will have to deal with as a young person and adult. And yes, some brain damage is permanent. Lack of adequate nutrition and lack of consistent loving care in the early years are at the root of many of our society's problems. It could be argued that it's by design.

I could rant on, but back to the topic. I don't give a damn if the schools go bankrupt. Homeschooling is the future.
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Re: Delta, Northwest ... Canary dieing in the mineshaft?

Unread postby loopy » Sun 30 Mar 2008, 23:51:32

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Re: Delta, Northwest ... Canary dieing in the mineshaft?

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 00:20:42

Aloha saying "aloha", huh? Interesting.

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Re: Delta, Northwest ... Canary dieing in the mineshaft?

Unread postby Novus » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 01:43:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('falser', 'I') really hope there is no government bailout this time. Airlines don't deserve to be federally subsidized with taxpayer money (Amtrak should though). Let them die off, or force them to raise airfares, but don't give them more money to piss away.


In 2002 the airlines received more money than Amtrak has in its entire 30+ years of existence. That money simply fell into a black hole and made the country less energy independent. It was the wrong move at the wrong time.
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Re: Delta, Northwest ... Canary dieing in the mineshaft?

Unread postby cube » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 02:41:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mpg', 'L')ook for actual changes in the way airlines operate: Higher prices, mergers, dropping routes, decreased maintenance 8O, lack of investment in new planes.
You forgot to add:
1. no more free peanuts
2. no more pillows
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Re: Delta, Northwest ... Canary dieing in the mineshaft?

Unread postby Dan1195 » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 11:14:44

There is one major problem when it comes to airline consolidation. Outside of the U.S. most airlines are national "flag carriers" either run directly by or supported in some way by said countries. In most if not all cases their are legal barriers preventing them merging with some other company and no country will let its flag carrier vanish. So what you have is the entire international avaition industry essentially being propped up by various governments. Just another wasteful allocation of resources in the end.
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Re: Delta, Northwest ... Canary dieing in the mineshaft?

Unread postby dorlomin » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 11:21:52

I dont think airlines in the US are a good 'canary'. They tend to fall over into chapter 11 on a rather regular basis, a canary that gets sick and dies with every puff of poor economic data is not a good indicator that peak oil is harming business.
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Canary In The Coal Mine - Which Countries Will Fail First?

Unread postby abelardlindsay » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 16:41:00

What country will fail first because of peak oil? It seems that isolated pacific states that are highly reliant on energy imports and do not have strong economies seem to be most likely to enter the Olduvai Gorge power failure and collapse stage first. Anybody else got any candidates?
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')MI-Energy Crisis Puts Marshall Islands on Alert:
The urban centers of the Republic of the Marshall Islands (RMI) may be without electrical power next month, and government officials are looking for solutions to the pending crisis. Last week, the RMI's Chief Secretary wrote to the Ministry of Health, alerting management to "review its internal contingency plan, ensure all preparation and necessary measures are taken to minimize the operational impact should electric power goes off on Majuro by mid July."

The RMI-Marshalls Energy Company fuel crisis has been on-going for several years. Currently, there is a $6.5 million payment due on July 10 to the utility fuel supplier, SK Networks of South Korea. Majuro, with a population of over 25,000, and Ebeye, with a population of over 12,000, will be at disaster-level with neither running water nor operating sewage system, if power is cut off.

The small island nation's only two hospitals, providing medical services for all of the Marshalls, are located on Majuro and Ebeye. - Aenet Rowa, Yokwe Online, June 23, 2008
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Re: Canary In The Coal Mine - Which Countries Will Fail Firs

Unread postby heroineworshipper » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 17:30:18

USA! USA! USA! USA!
People first, then things, then dollars.
There will be enslavement, cannibalism, & zombie invasions.
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Re: Canary In The Coal Mine - Which Countries Will Fail Firs

Unread postby Jack » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 17:46:44

Haiti...Sudan...Bangladesh...
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