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The Anti-Kunstler Thread

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Re: Boycott Kunstler

Postby PhebaAndThePilgrim » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 18:51:23

Good day to all:
Pilgrim and I do not post much any more.
We just don't have much free time. Running the farm on a shoestring budget.
Kunstler is a jacka**.
For a while a few years ago I wrote to him about Peak Oil and farming.
When our next door neighbor died in a tractor accident his remarks on neighbors were snide and hurtful.
I saw him in a video on You tube.
He was being interviewed outside, and he stopped to spray himself with mosquito spray.
Give me a break.
First, the guy knows nothing about the reality of small town living.
He lives in an elite daydream vision of small town neighbors helping neighbors.
He honks around with his bottled water and his mosquito spray, spewing hate, bile, sarcasm and every negative human emotion.
I have stopped reading his blog.
He doesn't have a clue about the years of neighbors being there for each other.
Second, this guy wouldn't survive two weeks in a true survival/ environment.

As far as the Israel/Palestine situation:, my take on the problem has nothing to do with religion, oil, or politics, and everything to do with demographics.
When you overcrowd rats in a lab experiment, they turn vicious, fight, and kill one another.
I have studied the demographics of what crops are raised in the area.
I have studied population demographics.
What a nightmare.

There are only 2400 square feet for every person in Israel. That space includes space used to grow their food.
Our house is 2400 square feet (it's too big for us)

There are too many people in a very tiny area, fighting over minimal natural resources.

If it were not for massive inputs from the U.S. that section of the middle east would be what it is supossed to be, a semi-arid wasteland fit for goats and olives, and little else.

Here is an interesting bit of info:

Total fertility rate (2008)

In Israel, the total fertility rate (TFR) is 2.9 children born per woman.

TFR was 2.8 for Jews (2.69 in 2005, 2.67 in 2000), 3.9 for Muslims (4.03 in 2005, 4.57 in 2000), 2.49 for Druze (2.59 in 2005, 2.87 in 2000), 2.14 for Christians (2.15 in 2005, 2.35 in 2000) and 1.55 for Others (1.49 in 2005, 1.55 in 2000).

TFR is very high among Haredi Jews. For Ashkenazi Haredim, the TFR rose to 8.51 in 1996 from 6.91 in 1980. The figure for 2008 is estimated to be even higher. TFR for Sephardi/Mizrachi Haredim rose from 4.57 in 1980 to 6.57 in 1996.[8]

Palestine is high also.

If we use 7%, (correct me if I am wrong) as our number for a doubling time of 10 years, doesn't that mean the Ashkenazi population will effectively double in less than ten years?
How does that work?

Columbia, Missouri had a population growth of 7.6 percent during the 1990s, and doubled in population in a decade.

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Re: Boycott Kunstler

Postby Ludi » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 19:59:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhebaAndThePilgrim', '
')If it were not for massive inputs from the U.S. that section of the middle east would be what it is supossed to be, a semi-arid wasteland fit for goats and olives, and little else. .


It's probably "supposed" to be mixed forest and grassland/prairie. It has been so overused and desertified over 10,000 years of civilization, now you can only grow goats and olive trees there without massive inputs. The population of the entire region is probably hugely in excess of carrying capacity.
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Re: Boycott Kunstler

Postby Munqi » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 21:21:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')So whats the solution to ME?

Fence them off and let them eat sand, to put it in plane English.
However there is no need to send our troops there.
Cordone sanitarie policy will do.


Well I don't know for the whole of ME but for Gaza just turn off the power. I'm all for it since it's my taxes that pay for their energy supplies (I found out several months ago). I go to work everyday so that Gazans who sit about and do practically nothing apart from eat food aid, procreate, burn stuff in protest at something in the street or blast rockets into Israel can have fuel. Also our stupid PM just pledged another £20million in aid to Gaza! As if the people of the UK are not struggling enough loosing our homes and trying to get by. Most Gazans don't have jobs so they can easily spend their time rebuilding their homes. Just recycle guys! and yeah, I'm sure they'd do the same for us if the situation were reversed [sarc]

Don't get me wrong I'm not Jew lover or whatever I just can't understand the people of Gaza get such an easy ride: food aid, fuel paid for by EU, 80% don't have to work etc.


This may have been the most retarded post ive read in this forum - and thats saying a lot.

As for kunstler: That Y2K thing says it all. He does not sell facts. He sells doom. Either he hates the world around him or he loves the money he makes from making these predictions but one thing is for sure: He doesnt know shit. (why cant i say sh*t? o.O)
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Kunstler: If You Come to a Fork in the Road, Take It

Postby AdamB » Mon 19 Mar 2018, 22:33:09

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Various readers, fans, blog commenters, Facebook trolls, and auditors twanged on me all last week about my continuing interest in the RussiaRussiaRussia hysteria, though there is no particular consensus of complaint among them — except for a general “shut up, already” motif. For the record, I’m far more interested in the hysteria itself than the Russia-meddled-in the-election case, which I consider to be hardly any case at all beyond 13 Russian Facebook trolls. The hysteria, on the other hand, ought to be a matter of grave concern, because it appears more and more to have been engineered by America’s own intel community, its handmaidens in the Dept of Justice, and the twilight’s last gleamings of the Obama White House, and now it has shoved this country in the direction of war at a time when civilian authority over the US military


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Re: The Anti-Kunstler Thread

Postby asg70 » Mon 19 Mar 2018, 23:51:07

Kunstler is hopelessly irrelevant now as he never even bangs out the word "oil" in his rants anymore. I don't see the point of even bothering to bring his links over here. Only the comments section under his posts touch on peak oil and that's just a vestige of the past.

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-Billions are on the verge of starvation as the lockdown continues. (yoshua, 5/20/20)

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Kunstler: The Unspooling

Postby AdamB » Sat 24 Mar 2018, 20:25:19

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With spring, things come unstuck; an unspooling has begun. The turnaround at the FBI and Department of Justice has been so swift that even The New York Times has shut up about collusion with Russia — at the same time omitting to report what appears to have been a wholly politicized FBI upper echelon intruding on the 2016 election campaign, and then laboring stealthily to un-do the election result. The ominous silence enveloping the DOJ the week after Andrew McCabe’s firing — and before the release of the FBI Inspector General’s report — suggests to me that a grand jury is about to convene and indictments are in process, not necessarily from Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller’s office. The evidence already publicly-aired about FBI machinations and interventions on behalf of Hillary Clinton and against Donald Trump looks bad from any angle, and


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Re: The Anti-Kunstler Thread

Postby asg70 » Mon 29 Apr 2019, 20:11:58

Over a years since I last posted in this thread and Kunstler remains...irrelevant. Nobody should bother reading his drivel.

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-Billions are on the verge of starvation as the lockdown continues. (yoshua, 5/20/20)

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-Short welched on a bet and should be shunned.
-Frequent-flyers should not cry crocodile-tears over climate-change.
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Re: The Anti-Kunstler Thread

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 01 May 2019, 00:17:14

Kunstler's take on the Mueller report and the end of the Trump Russia collusion nonsense is interesting

blowback-is-a-harsh-mistress

Kunstler thinks there will be some kind of "blowback" on the Ds for wasting two years on this nonsense. I'm skeptical myself. Personally, I think the Ds and the MSM will just keep on with the conspiracy theory stuff all the way through the 2020 election.

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Re: The Anti-Kunstler Thread

Postby KaiserJeep » Wed 01 May 2019, 10:11:15

In the midst of all this wide-ranging thrashing and conflict on a variety of topics, a basic fact has been overlooked.

I have not read most of what Kunstler has written. In fact I read the first volume of his World Made By Hand fiction, which I found is unoriginal and derivative. However, I carry around the electronic verion of his most famous work, which is the book The Long Emergency. In case it escaped your notice, we are living this scenario today. Parts of the World are in collapse, refugees abound, China and India are ascendant, and Climate Change is rampant and unchecked.

He nailed it, in 2005, fourteen years ago.
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Re: The Anti-Kunstler Thread

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 01 May 2019, 12:20:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'I')n the midst of all this wide-ranging thrashing and conflict on a variety of topics, a basic fact has been overlooked.

I have not read most of what Kunstler has written. In fact I read the first volume of his World Made By Hand fiction, which I found is unoriginal and derivative. However, I carry around the electronic verion of his most famous work, which is the book The Long Emergency. In case it escaped your notice, we are living this scenario today. Parts of the World are in collapse, refugees abound, China and India are ascendant, and Climate Change is rampant and unchecked.

He nailed it, in 2005, fourteen years ago.


Yup. Thats 100% right, KJ.

Kunstler is engaged in social and cultural criticism. Sometimes I agree with him and sometimes I don't but he is usually interesting which is all I ask from a writer.

Kunstler doesn't buy into the Ds-are-good-Rs-are-bad meme which dominates the mainstream media and which the boobs who get all their news from the boob tube are so enthralled with these days. Kunstler is more interested in the longer term cultural changes occurring in America, which he see as mainly destructive to our society.

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Re: The Anti-Kunstler Thread

Postby asg70 » Wed 01 May 2019, 14:18:49

Kunstler who is a cynic who is only interested in things to criticize. He simply criticizes for the sake of being anti-establishment. He has nothing constructive to say.

"Kunstler thinks there will be some kind of "blowback" on the Ds"

He also thought the world would end from Y2K. So why should I give a damn what he thinks?

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Re: The Anti-Kunstler Thread

Postby theluckycountry » Mon 07 Oct 2024, 17:27:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'K')unstler who is a cynic who is only interested in things to criticize... He also thought the world would end from Y2K. So why should I give a damn what he thinks?


Yes, he's a stopped clock. One thing I have noticed over the years is that the man is about 2 years behind the times. He's recently became a Gold Bug, but ignored it through all the boom years (he wasn't a gold bug he'd say) He was total Covid Fear monger, then when it was obviously a scam he changed sides. On and on and on. One in 3 of his pods these days are worth listening to just to hear the guests but you have to filter out his comments, he's really quite a dimwit. Now he grows vegetables on a little plot outside a meth town, waiting for the revival of small town America no doubt :roll:
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Re: The Anti-Kunstler Thread

Postby theluckycountry » Fri 27 Jun 2025, 20:01:50

Chaos Creeps in on Little Cat's Feet

"Great cities fall to the sound of cheering crowds." Ami Kozak on "X"
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Democratic Party put another bullet in its head this week with the election of the charming, affable jihadi communist Zohran Mamdani. Is “communist” too harsh a label? (He styles himself, softly, a “socialist.”) Yet his campaign platform looks like a template from the venerable Soviet Council of Ministers circa 1957: Free Everything: housing, buses and subways, college, child-care, government food stores. . . with a cherry-on-top of replacing police with social workers in high crime areas — because rapists and car-jackers would quit their rowdy ways if only they could talk about their feelings.

That chatter is not idle, especially among the class that owns major real estate, of which New York City has a frightening and increasingly obsolete inventory — hundreds of office skyscrapers running at fifty percent (or less) occupancy, which cannot cover their mortgages, maintenance, or taxes. What will become of them? I’ll tell you: some will be foreclosed-on, sold for dimes on the dollar (and fail again under new ownership,) and quite few will stand empty waiting for acanthus tree seeds to sprout on their empty windowsills.

...Or, they will turn into “squats,” like the towers in the abandoned city center of Johannesburg that I saw visiting there ten years ago. Those giant office buildings were not converted into “residential,” you understand; folks were simply camping-out there, even with the electricity and water turned off. This is exactly what happens when you run the prosperous people, whom you hate, out of town, which is what happened in that sad-sack nation. How many demonstration projects like that are needed to prove that communism with a racist frosting on top is a mug’s game....
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Re: The Anti-Kunstler Thread

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 23 Jul 2025, 22:08:47

You think I'm an american basher, I have nothing on JHK. I'm surprised he isn't up for national slander or something. He spends his days now grinding out political dribble and painting childlike scenes of decaying america. Which are for sale of course :roll:

Here's a good podcast: Yakking with John Michael Greer about the Spiritual Condition of our Floundering Country https://www.kunstler.com/p/kunstlercast ... h-john-2c8

Here's his early work, a great book too, and free online if you sniff around.
https://www.kunstler.com/p/living-in-th ... ncy-global
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Re: Kunstler's War Hawk Stance on Iraq days after 9/11

Postby AdamB » Thu 04 Sep 2025, 22:26:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Liamj', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '.').Maybe some of you knew this, maybe all, I don't know. It's just...interesting...


Interesting it is, I wonder did Kunstler know of the Neo-cons very well developed desires to do just as he lobbies for.


He might have! But why would anyone care? Kuntsler fell not just for peak oil, but was pitching the end of the world for Y2K. He isn't just a one time screwup, but managed it twice, and that was 20 years ago! I'm surprised anyone takes him any more serious than the Easter Bunny at this point.
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Re: The Anti-Kunstler Thread

Postby AgentR11 » Sun 07 Sep 2025, 21:21:04

I recall fixing stuff for Y2K issues, also had a little stash of cash in case the terminals all didn't work right. But everything turned out fine. Y2K was a real issue, its just that we worked really hard to fix it before it became a problem. There's actually another one coming up... Year 2038 has some interesting surprises in store I bet; won't end civilization, but I bet more than a couple hickups will get noticed. Not my problem though. :-D
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Re: The Anti-Kunstler Thread

Postby theluckycountry » Sun 07 Sep 2025, 21:42:05

Y2K was a scam at the end of the IT bubble. There was never any danger, the only danger was that warehouses full of old generation laptops and desktops around the world wouldn't be cleared. So they invented that story and everyone ran out and dutifully bought up all the old stock at $3000 a system and $4000 a laptop. Six months later the price of computers collapsed to less than half and everyone who'd been sucked in felt like an idiot, which they were.

Most of us weren't even online back then. I simply reset my clock back a couple of years and waited to see what happened. Nothing happened.
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Re: The Anti-Kunstler Thread

Postby AdamB » Sun 07 Sep 2025, 22:44:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I') recall fixing stuff for Y2K issues, also had a little stash of cash in case the terminals all didn't work right. But everything turned out fine.

Indeed. I built some new software for the company I was working for a year or two before Y2K just to make sure it wouldn't hiccup. No big deal...same as what happened everywhere else.

Kuntsler took his first crack and end-of-world stuff there, before demonstrating he didn't know any more about peak oil than most other folks.

John Denver was an early poster here, he had Kuntsler absolutely clocked. Glad his work is still around to demonstrate that if one could think...one could figure out those who couldn't.

https://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/20 ... nd-of.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '
') Y2K was a real issue, its just that we worked really hard to fix it before it became a problem. There's actually another one coming up... Year 2038 has some interesting surprises in store I bet; won't end civilization, but I bet more than a couple hickups will get noticed. Not my problem though. :-D


Haven't heard of that one. Why 2038?
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Re: The Anti-Kunstler Thread

Postby AdamB » Sun 07 Sep 2025, 22:51:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')2K was a scam at the end of the IT bubble.


Thank you parrot for saying something that was obvious in real time. Not to the likes of parrots...they are like you, and simply fall for whatever bait is dropped in front of them.

You see, the parrots that can't even read graphs, or pick conventional oil off a list provided to them, aren't even capable of doing what children have learned with a menu. A peak oiler who can't pick conventional oil from a list? What is that...just proof that peak oilers are dumber than children? Or just thoroughly ignorant in general, more like Kuntsler? Or maybe were part of the Australian rocket team that has spent decades trying to get this one right?

Hard to say...but considering how few Nobel Prizes come out of that island...none of this is a surprise.
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Re: The Anti-Kunstler Thread

Postby AgentR11 » Mon 08 Sep 2025, 13:38:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'Y')ear 2038 has some interesting surprises in store I bet; won't end civilization, but I bet more than a couple hickups will get noticed. Not my problem though. :-D


Haven't heard of that one. Why 2038?


32 bit integer representation of structure time_t in unix epoch, used in both windows and unix software... rolls over in 2038, making the day after... 1970.

ooops: 20:45:52 UTC on 13 December 1901 is the roll over date, 1970 is the beginning (or zero point) of the epoch. Its a signed integer, so 1+intmax = -2^31.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
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