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Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby MD » Wed 13 May 2009, 10:18:05

Smaller shelves, lower stacks, wider aisles, and empty raceways. Lack of inventory is easily hidden from shopper perception, and that is clearly happening throughout retail around here. Our local kroger stores are just the opposite though. They are jammed to the gills. Raceways (definition: the wide aisle ways at the front of the stores perpendicular to the aisles) so jammed you can hardly pass a cart.

Hard to figure. But if you go into wally world, target, kohls, best buy, etc.? They echo
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby vision-master » Wed 13 May 2009, 12:07:33

When Trucks Stop, America Stops
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Food Industry: Every day, Americans purchase billions of dollars of groceries. Most of these goods are brought to market via daily truck deliveries. Significant shortages will occur in as little as three days, especially for perishable items following a national emergency and a ban on truck traffic. Minor shortages will occur within one to two days. At convenience stores and other small retailers with less inventory, shortages will occur much sooner.

Consumer fear and panic will exacerbate shortages. The forecast of a winter storm quickly exhausts basic commodities at grocery stores and supermarkets. It takes retailers up to three days to recover from these runs on supplies. News of a truck stoppage-whether on the local level, state or regional level, or nationwide- will spur hoarding and drastic increases in consumer purchases of essential goods. Shortages will materialize quickly and could lead to civil unrest.

Supplies of clean drinking water will run dry in two to four weeks. According to the American Water Works Association, Americans drink more than one billion glasses of tap water per day. For safety and security reasons, most water supply plants maintain a larger inventory of supplies than the typical business. However, the amount of chemical storage varies significantly and is site specific. According to the Chlorine Institute, most water treatment facilities receive chlorine in cylinders (150 pounds and one ton cylinders) that are delivered by motor carriers. On average, trucks deliver purification chemicals to water supply plants every seven to 14 days. Without these chemicals, water cannot be purified and made safe for drinking. Without truck deliveries of purification chemicals, water supply plants will run out of drinkable water in 14 to 28 days. Once the water supply is drained, water will be deemed safe for drinking only when boiled. Lack of clean drinking water will lead to increased gastrointestinal and other illnesses, further taxing an already weakened healthcare system.



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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby RedStateGreen » Wed 13 May 2009, 16:55:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', 'D')o you know anything about the Oklahoma Farmers Co-op out in Yukon and Piedmont. I used to deliver to them when I drove. Now the one in Yukon is a beauty shop, and the one in Piedmont appears closed. I find that totally strange for these times. You would think they would thrive in an an area like this at a time like this. It cannot be a good sign if they closed. That would mean farmers are having a rough go of it. Maybe make food a bit more scarce later this year! 8O

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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby the48thronin » Wed 13 May 2009, 23:57:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK - Looking for signs of economic recovery? Try counting the number of trucks on the road.

Trucks carry almost all the manufactured and retail goods in the country — from refrigerators to lumber, detergents to toys. Many economists gauge how fast assembly lines are running, and how much consumers are buying, by the volume of goods hauled by trucks. But the most recent earnings reports show trucks are not carrying enough yet to indicate recovery is near.

Slow consumer spending and stalled manufacturing activity took its toll on truckers in the first three months of the year. Nearly all major trucking companies reported lower first-quarter revenue and falling profits as the recession continued and shipping demand slid. Many cut back their fleets because of soft demand. Werner Enterprises Inc., for example, said it trimmed an additional 4 percent of its fleet of over 8,000 trucks in the first quarter. Many companies said more cuts will come.


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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby ki11ercane » Thu 14 May 2009, 04:15:21

Spoke to come of the QuikX drivers here in Winnipeg a week ago. They just had 50 truckers laid off in May.

Their warehouse here in the city was maybe 50% capacity with freight.
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby the48thronin » Sat 16 May 2009, 15:38:06

Wednesday afternoon my wife stopped at the Wal-Mart in Fernley Nevada on her way to Reno.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he D C for Wal-mart northern Nevada and Northern California is in Fernley. I myself stopped at a wal-mart in Sydney, Nebraska but did not take pictures because i could not decide without waiting if what I was seeing represented what I thought it did.
To explain, I saw pallets of canned goods, paper and sundry supplies piled in all the aisles of the store near the dairy and meat departments. I saw much dressing of and over stocking of shelves ( 12 feet of nothing but Quaker oatmeal for instance). The converse side of the breakdown in JIT will be over stocking of stores that are on the ends of the D C area of responsibility. Sydney would sure be in that class of store. However they were in fact restocking at 11 pm when I was in the store, so without returning at a better time I decided a mention was all it was worth.
Fernley however was at mid afternoon and the signs of failure of suppliers to meet JIT requirements were there.. The Bananas and other produce, meat counters and some of the cereal goods were very thin.

and also
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')as your normal order at a restaurant been denied because “we are out of that sorry” lately? In my case I eat out almost every day at least twice. I can say that in truck stops the “sorry we are out of those” is increasing. In point of fact yesterday it happened on a standard menue item and on an advertised special. I have been hearing news reports about chain fast food restaurants that advertise specials and then run out of the advertised item very early. This is not deliberate under stocking as many reporters seem to imply, it is the failure of the distribution chain to deliver the amount of items necessary to fulfill the orders resulting from the specials being offered.

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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby the48thronin » Sat 16 May 2009, 19:05:25

suppliers are dropping like flies over seas.. the result..

from http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/business/global/13ship.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2&ref=todayspaper;

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')INGAPORE — To go out in a small boat along Singapore’s coast now is to feel like a mouse tiptoeing through an endless herd of slumbering elephants.
One of the largest fleets of ships ever gathered idles here just outside one of the world’s busiest ports, marooned by the receding tide of global trade. There may be tentative signs of economic recovery in spots around the globe, but few here.

Hundreds of cargo ships — some up to 300,000 tons, with many weighing more than the entire 130-ship Spanish Armada — seem to perch on top of the water rather than in it, their red rudders and bulbous noses, submerged when the vessels are loaded, sticking a dozen feet out of the water.

So many ships have congregated here — 735, according to AIS Live ship tracking service of Lloyd’s Register-Fairplay in Redhill, Britain — that shipping lines are becoming concerned about near misses and collisions in one of the world’s most congested waterways, the straits that separate Malaysia and Singapore from Indonesia.

The root of the problem lies in an unusually steep slump in global trade, confirmed by trade statistics announced on Tuesday.

China said that its exports nose-dived 22.6 percent in April from a year earlier, while the Philippines said that its exports in March were down 30.9 percent from a year earlier. The United States announced on Tuesday that its exports had declined 2.4 percent in March.


lower in the same article, for scale.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hese vessels total more than 41 million tons, according to the AIS Live tracking service. That is nearly equal to the entire world’s merchant fleet at the end of World War I, and represents almost 4 percent of the world’s fleet today.


and even more ships sitting empty mentioned

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')hips are anchoring at other ports around the world, too. There were 150 vessels in and around the Straits of Gibraltar on Monday, and 300 around Rotterdam, the Netherlands, according to the AIS Live tracking service.


Store brand items will start to get thin I bet...
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby vision-master » Sat 16 May 2009, 19:12:56

Events Priming for Apocalyptic Food Shortages

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We have the perfect storm brewing:

(1) No bridge credit for farmers to get their crops in this year due to the credit crisis, resulting in many farmers not planting this season;

(2) Farmers in Colorado, Texas, and possibly other states not planting this season because they cannot get as much for their crops as it costs to produce them;

(3) Foreign countries shutting down exports of food to the U.S. (which is a net 15% food importer as of today) due to crop failures and food shortages in their own countries;

(4) A daily devaluing dollar that will not buy as much foreign food as it used to, with the high probability of runaway inflation once foreign countries are no longer willing or able to subsidize our debt, which will further decrease purchasing power and increase food prices;

(5) No export restrictions on American farmers, who can and do sell their crops to foreigners who will pay more for them than Americans will, with the result that our production goes overseas and not to us;

(6) Pending legislation that may soon may make it much more difficult to farm and/or will shut down organic farms, farmer's markets and possibly home gardens in the near future;

(7) The potential of a flu pandemic with potential quarantines and consequent cessation of shipping and ability to shop; and, now, for the piece de resistance,

(8) California shutting down irrigation to farmers in the Central Valley, thereby killing off the source of much of our fruit and vegetables, to save the allegedly endangered smelt! All of these circumstances, documented in mainstream media, point to very little food being available this fall, and with what will be available being very expensive.



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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby ki11ercane » Sat 16 May 2009, 19:39:49

I say "yea" to all points. I call "shens" on this one:
(6) Pending legislation that may soon may make it much more difficult to farm and/or will shut down organic farms, farmer's markets and possibly home gardens in the near future; Will never happen ever. I have read the same articles.
I grow all heirloom seeds and plants anyways, some 500 years old. Monsanto wasn't around when the Dutch settled here.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '[')b]Events Priming for Apocalyptic Food Shortages$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ay 16, 2009--Name Withheld: We have the perfect storm brewing:
(1) No bridge credit for farmers to get their crops in this year due to the credit crisis, resulting in many farmers not planting this season;

(2) Farmers in Colorado, Texas, and possibly other states not planting this season because they cannot get as much for their crops as it costs to produce them;

(3) Foreign countries shutting down exports of food to the U.S. (which is a net 15% food importer as of today) due to crop failures and food shortages in their own countries;

(4) A daily devaluing dollar that will not buy as much foreign food as it used to, with the high probability of runaway inflation once foreign countries are no longer willing or able to subsidize our debt, which will further decrease purchasing power and increase food prices;

(5) No export restrictions on American farmers, who can and do sell their crops to foreigners who will pay more for them than Americans will, with the result that our production goes overseas and not to us;

(6) Pending legislation that may soon may make it much more difficult to farm and/or will shut down organic farms, farmer's markets and possibly home gardens in the near future;

(7) The potential of a flu pandemic with potential quarantines and consequent cessation of shipping and ability to shop; and, now, for the piece de resistance,

(8) California shutting down irrigation to farmers in the Central Valley, thereby killing off the source of much of our fruit and vegetables, to save the allegedly endangered smelt! All of these circumstances, documented in mainstream media, point to very little food being available this fall, and with what will be available being very expensive.
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby the48thronin » Mon 18 May 2009, 04:46:51

A friend of mine visited a Wal-mart to prove to me that I was wrong about the systemic failure of JIT. I told him to take a look at the produce, freezers, and meats. Image

He talked to the produce stocker and was told that what was out was everything they had. The stocker said they had been waiting for Bananas for over a week. he also said that the prepared deli items had been back ordered for several weeks.
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '[')b]Events Priming for Apocalyptic Food Shortages

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(7) The potential of a flu pandemic with potential quarantines and consequent cessation of shipping and ability to shop; and, now, for the piece de resistance,




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Hmmm well from 2006 a report on what happens if trucks stop..
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')The Food Industry

Every day, Americans purchase billions of dollars of groceries. Most of these goods are brought to market via daily truck deliveries.

Significant shortages will occur in as little as three days, especially for perishable items following a national emergency and a ban on truck traffic. Minor shortages will occur within one to two days. At convenience stores and other small retailers with less inventory, shortages will occur much sooner.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ithout truck transportation, patient care within the truck stoppage zone will be immediately jeopardized. According to Cook, many hospitals have moved to a just- in-time inventory system. In fact, some work from a low-unit-of-measure system. This means that essential basic supplies, such as syringes and catheters, are not ordered until the supplies are depleted. These systems depend on trucks to deliver needed supplies within hours of order placement. Internal redistribution of supplies in hospitals could forestall a crisis for a short time; however, in a matter of hours, hospitals would be unable to supply critical patient care.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ospitals and nursing homes will exhaust food supplies in as little as 24 hours. Hospitals and nursing homes receive daily truck deliveries of food for patients. The International Food Distributors Association notes that because these facilities lack significant warehousing capabilities, a truck stoppage will result in food shortages within 24 to 48 hours, particularly among perishable items.

Pharmacy stocks of prescription drugs will be depleted quickly. Although pharmacies typically carry several weeks inventory of many drugs, seasonal pharmaceuticals, such as antibiotics and flu-shots during winter months, have faster turnover rates. According to the National Association of Chain Drug Stores, most of the nation’s 55,000 drug stores receive daily merchandise deliveries by truck.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')ransportation

The impact of a truck stoppage would not be limited to highway transportation but would affect all modes of transportation. Trucks are the fundamental unit within the transportation sector. Trucks transport just about all cargo to and from air and rail terminals and maritime ports. Trucks also deliver fuel to the majority of rail yards. The Air Transport Association estimates that trucks account for approximately 80% of the fuel deliveries to the nation’s airports. Truck transport is the mechanism for fuel delivery to service stations and truck stops.

Service station fuel supplies will start to run out in just one to two days. According to the Service Station Dealers of America, the nation’s busiest fuel stations sell between 200,000 and 300,000 gallons per month. These stations require multiple deliveries every day to meet this demand. An average service station requires a delivery every 2.4 days. Based on these statistics, the busiest service stations could run out of fuel within hours of a truck stoppage, with the remaining stations following within one to two days. Researchers predict that automobile travel will cease within one week if fuel deliveries are halted.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') fuel shortage will create secondary effects. Without access to automobile travel, people will be unable to get to work causing labor shortages and increased economic damage. Without cars, many people cannot access grocery stores, banks, doctors, and other daily needs. Public bus systems will cease to operate as well, preventing many disabled and elderly people from accessing these necessities. Without fuel, police, fire, rescue and other public service vehicles will be paralyzed, further jeopardizing public safety. U.S. Mail and other package delivery operations will cease. Within two days, garbage will start to pile up in urban and suburban areas due to a lack of regular pick ups, creating a health hazard.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')anking & Finance

Even with today’s high-tech electronic exchange of currency and information, trucks play a critical role in transporting hard copies of financial documents and currency. Disruption of truck deliveries to banks and ATMs will paralyze the banking industry, affecting both consumers and businesses. The bottom-line: cash is still heavily used as legal tender..

ATM and branch bank cash resources will be exhausted quickly. In today’s fast- paced, high-technology economy, consumers access cash 24/7 from 370,000 ATMs nationwide. JP Morgan Chase, the nation’s second largest consumer bank, replenishes its 6,600 ATMs via armored truck delivery every two to three days. Given the increase in ATM activity that occurs before and after any type of crisis, ATMs would run out of cash much sooner.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ther Effects

In addition to the effects on the key industries outlined in this paper, a ripple effect could significantly disrupt a variety of services and activities beyond the affected area, extending into communities nationwide.

For example, the Department of Defense (DoD) supply chain includes 1,100 shipping points inside the United States, connects to airports and seaports, and is the supply lifeline to warfighters deployed globally. Nearly all DoD freight involves truck movement and all trucks with DoD freight are subject to orders by local law enforcement. Stopping trucks with DoD freight would ultimately cripple the Department of Defense in ways no adversary has been able to achieve.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')onclusion

As demonstrated by the analysis of just a few key industries, restricting or shutting down all truck operations in response to a natural disaster, elevated threat level, terrorist attack, or pandemic will have a swift and devastating impact on the food, healthcare, transportation, waste removal, retail, manufacturing, and financial sectors.

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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby MD » Mon 18 May 2009, 06:20:10

I wear a size 14 eeee. In my youth I had a very difficult time finding shoes. In fact when I did find a pair of anything that fit, I had to buy it. It didn't matter what the style. If they were hideous, I wore them, because I had no choice.

In the last ten tears or so however, I had no difficulty. I could walk into just about any major retailer or shoe-store chain and find a suitable pair of shoes.

Yesterday I went shopping. Nothing. Not even close. Closest fit was a 13-W at Kohl's. I got my feet into the things. The "W" designation was a myth though. It was cut like a 12 M. It was "just like old times".

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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby vision-master » Mon 18 May 2009, 09:36:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'I') wear a size 14 eeee. In my youth I had a very difficult time finding shoes. In fact when I did find a pair of anything that fit, I had to buy it. It didn't matter what the style. If they were hideous, I wore them, because I had no choice.

In the last ten tears or so however, I had no difficulty. I could walk into just about any major retailer or shoe-store chain and find a suitable pair of shoes.

Yesterday I went shopping. Nothing. Not even close. Closest fit was a 13-W at Kohl's. I got my feet into the things. The "W" designation was a myth though. It was cut like a 12 M. It was "just like old times".

Another anecdotal bit for your list.


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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby Caffeine » Mon 18 May 2009, 10:03:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'I') wear a size 14 eeee. In my youth I had a very difficult time finding shoes. In fact when I did find a pair of anything that fit, I had to buy it. It didn't matter what the style. If they were hideous, I wore them, because I had no choice. In the last ten tears or so however, I had no difficulty. I could walk into just about any major retailer or shoe-store chain and find a suitable pair of shoes.
Yesterday I went shopping. Nothing. Not even close. Closest fit was a 13-W at Kohl's. I got my feet into the things. The "W" designation was a myth though. It was cut like a 12 M. It was "just like old times".

Wouldn't it be easier to find shoes that size online? (I know that you can't try them on first that way, but some places have decent return policies, right?) While there aren't huge numbers of them, there are still some people who will make custom-fitted shoes, also.
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby Jotapay » Mon 18 May 2009, 10:28:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'I') wear a size 14 eeee. In my youth I had a very difficult time finding shoes. In fact when I did find a pair of anything that fit, I had to buy it. It didn't matter what the style. If they were hideous, I wore them, because I had no choice. In the last ten tears or so however, I had no difficulty. I could walk into just about any major retailer or shoe-store chain and find a suitable pair of shoes.

Yesterday I went shopping. Nothing. Not even close. Closest fit was a 13-W at Kohl's. I got my feet into the things. The "W" designation was a myth though. It was cut like a 12 M. It was "just like old times". Another anecdotal bit for your list.

Try these: http://www.instructables.com/id/Blown-Tire-Shoes/ Having been to Mexico and Central America quite a few times, I can tell you that tens of millions of folks who wear these can't be wrong!
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby MD » Mon 18 May 2009, 10:34:26

Thanks all for your kind advice. Yes, I can and do order online, and I keep plenty of spares on hand.

Next topic: 38 inseams. Same issues.

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Postby ki11ercane » Mon 18 May 2009, 13:01:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '[')b]Events Priming for Apocalyptic Food Shortages

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(7) The potential of a flu pandemic with potential quarantines and consequent cessation of shipping and ability to shop; and, now, for the piece de resistance,




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Hmmm well from 2006 a report on what happens if trucks stop...

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All very good theories and descriptive possibilities when a perfect set of situations occur. The good news is we're very far off on these things actually happening in our lifetime, if at all.

These points prove very loudly and succinctly that no amount of prepping is going to 100% save nor isolate you from potential future social and economic problems. Sadly almost 99% of us "buy" our preps in preparation for a TSHTF scenario, and less than 1% of us actually "prep off the grid" today. I am in that 99% category. Simply put, trips to the hospital, fuel for your cars, money to buy anything, "stuff" to run or work for your job, and the U.S.'s ability to defend itself will vaporize.

I think what needs to be taken away from this doomer porn is to realize it "WILL" happen, but more along the line of a slow decline and not all at once where in 2-3 days "it's all over."
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Re: Signs of the beginning of the breakdown of JIT distribution.

Postby the48thronin » Mon 18 May 2009, 17:18:32

from my website today

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen Wal-Mart did away with the local butcher to sell prepackaged meat, they put the meat department into the JIT system. The results are becoming clearer that JIT is not working while Wal-Mart is in their transition to do away with 1/2 of the different articles in their store. Image

The meat departments of BOTH Wal-Marts I visited today were similar so I only took picture at the first. I visited the south side Wal-Mart at 8am. They had finished restocking what meat they had, they were still restocking the canned goods with what remnants they had from their Sunday truck. There were 3 associates dressing shelves behind the stockers.
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