[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('natts', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'I') am very grateful for someone telling me about PO... How do you feel about educating the sheeple?

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('natts', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'I') am very grateful for someone telling me about PO... How do you feel about educating the sheeple?

[smiley]

Well I wouldn't go as far as calling ourselves the enlightened. I've been looking at peak oil for a good few years now, but there are still so many unknowns. Hard crash, plateau, slippery slope you call it. Better informed than most would be a more fitting description than enlightened.

Should we try to pass that we know on to others? - I think so. If someone did not write an obscure post about someone called Hubbert I would not have caught on.

But not at all costs. Talking about peakoil has a tendency of making someone impopular. You might be considered just a bit too radical by your boss to make that promotion. It might upsets some of your friends or family, and erode their willingness to help you.

Whatever is going to happen; unless someone comes up with a cold fusion reactor which runs on cough syrup, there's hard times coming. Being in social isolation will not help you.

[mrobert]

But have you considered what happens once you save them?
Let's assume the doomeristic scenario.
The sh*t hits the fan, the world goes down the toilet and you save your entire bunch of friends.

What will they do?
Will they become aware, and try to build up a small community, or they will just burn through your supplies, extending their lifestyle a bit, at your expense?

When I try to educate people, I use a very soft approach. I usually tell them that energy is an issue, and it will be a bigger issue, and our current way of life won't be easy to maintain. This won't work aswell.

I suggest you *save* people with whom you have been through hardship and can be counted on. Regardless if they are PO aware or not.

When I was in the 9th grade, we went camping with the entire class in the mountains. We were 10 miles in the middle of nowhere on a mountain top. It was all great until the girls decided to use the soap to wash their hands in the only water spring available on that 10 mile radius. We ran out of water, it was 6 PM in the evening, and the weather was very warm. We had about a half a gallon of clean water.

It was a real nice real life experience of what happens and who's who in an extreme situation.

Just beware

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrobert', 'B')ut have you considered what happens once you save them? Let's assume the doomeristic scenario. The sh*t hits the fan, the world goes down the toilet and you save your entire bunch of friends.
What will they do? Will they become aware, and try to build up a small community, or they will just burn through your supplies, extending their lifestyle a bit, at your expense?

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'W')ell I wouldn't go as far as calling ourselves the enlightened. I've been looking at peak oil for a good few years now, but there are still so many unknowns. Hard crash, plateau, slippery slope you call it. Better informed than most would be a more fitting description than enlightened.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrobert', 'B')ut have you considered what happens once you save them?

[mrobert]

@VMarcHart: I don't expect anyone to build me a statue. That's not the point. Are you absolutely sure you want everyone to know that you are prepared? What is your guarantee that once TSHTF they won't just kill you and burn your gas supply in their SUV, eat up your food and move on to the next fool?

And offcourse, being at over 10 miles from any form of civilization when the night falls, with no water, is actually a FUN situation. Those 10 miles were at least 6 hours of hiking for any well trained person, to a mountain plateau on which we were. There was no 911 to dial, and I could blow a nuke there and nobody would notice that. It was in the middle of wilderness ... as wild as it gets and as remote as it gets. It wasn't an artificial forest near a resort. It was a secular forest, with bears, wolfs and snakes being something common. There were no adults ... just us, a bunch of teenagers. Water was EXACTLY 10 miles downhill in the village from where we started. Well ... ironically there was water at 2-3 hours downhill ... except that there a little obstacle, called a huge rock wall .

Observe this tiny image could google up: link We were on the plateau on the left side.

I haven't elaborated the entire situation we went through. Merely I was trying to point out the fact, that when TSHTF the people you once thought they were nice ... well ... they are not.

A good example of people worth saving, is the community where ReverseEngineer lives. I bet those people are not insurance agents driving Hummers. They will just continue their lives without the daily newspaper and afternoon ice cream

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrobert', '@')VMarcHart: I ...

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrobert', 'A') good example of people worth saving, is the community where ReverseEngineer lives. I bet those people are not insurance agents driving Hummers. They will just continue their lives without the daily newspaper and afternoon ice cream

[phaster]

been spending way too much time this weekend trying to work on my own web page about peak oil, anway while browsing parts of this site noticed ya had a mexican flag (under your name) so thought ya might find this discussion about the pemex of interest:
Mexican Oil Reform Threatens Changes to U.S. Energy Supply
Since this thread is trying to educate people about peak oil, just thought I'd share a gif image I just did that illustrates the key ideas of the peak oil thesis

this page has my own take on the peak oil issue, kinda curious what ya all think...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('natts', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'T')o educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...that is the question? I am very grateful for someone telling me about PO, so I just return the favor and putting a few stickers on my car cost me almost nothing in money and no time to educate others. How do you feel about educating the sheeple?

[ReverseEngineer]

Besides the willful ignorance of Sheeple who do not want to believe LAWKI is coming to an end, there is another reason Peak Oilers have a tough time being beoieved by the Hoi Polloi. This is because Doomsday Prediction is an Inexact Science, and nobody does a real good job predicting EXACTLY when TSHTF.

Lets say you were a real prescient Peak Oiler, and 5 years ago you figured out the housing market was gonna crash. If you toldd your buddies to get out of the housing market or you yourself got out, you were an idiot and missed out on 4 years of profit taking.

Around the time Bear Stearns collapsed, I was about certain the Stock Market itself would be right behind it. This was my most Manic Phase in the last 4 years, I warned friends to be prepared for Marshall Law. No Stock Market Crash, no Marshall Law, my believability quotient after that was reduced significantly. LOL.

I still think I'm right about most things in the long term here, but actually putting your finger on "The Day the Music Died" is pretty hard to do, and certainly I have yet to read a realy accurate prediction here on the board as of yet. Lotta speculation, lot of analysis of fundamentals but the whole house of cards is so complicated predicting Zero Hour is about impossible.

Anyhow, I have mellowed some in predicting Immediate Doomsday. Every time I think its gone far enough that the system has to implode violently, somehow Ben and Henry magically whip up some new credit sheme to redistribute the risk up another level. Obviously this can;t go on forever, but since I can't pin down the exact Day and Time it will happen, its best to keep my mouth shut about this part of it

Reverse Engineer

[Quinny]

Totally agree with Reverse Engineer credibility becomes a problem if we try to be prescient. I know lawki is coming to an end, exactly when and how is pure speculation.

[Muckingfess]

Credibility becomes a problem when someone doesn't know what martial law is and calls it Marshall law.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Muckingfess', 'C')redibility becomes a problem when someone doesn't know what martial law is and calls it Marshall law.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Muckingfess', 'C')redibility becomes a problem when someone doesn't know what martial law is and calls it Marshall law.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Muckingfess', 'C')redibility becomes a problem when someone doesn't know what martial law is and calls it Marshall law.

[Quinny]

Oh - so I'm wasting my time encouraging the kids to study Marshall Arts then.

[skippyreef]

MY friends think I am a nut job pretty much for being concerned about an energy crisis. They all say the necessity is the mother of invention and something else will come along to replace oil. I try to explain the amount of work one barrel of oil actually does and I get the eye rolling and lose their attention. It is almost a pointless exercise to try to discuss this with anyone who is unwilling to being open to the fact that Oil depletion is here and that the decline will be painful to manage even in teh best scenarios.

I have given up on Sheeple and am instead trying to find people who share this insight with whom to discuss strategies for mitigation so that my family can survive peak oil. I guess the fewer sheeple the better chance my family will have.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skippyreef', 'M')y friends ... say the necessity is the mother of invention and something else will come along to replace oil.