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Re: Fear is back on the menu boyz and girlz - LEHMAN BROTHER

Postby BigTex » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 11:11:23

On the subject of GS, it's interesting that it hasn't gotten any of the bad press that the Halliburton/Cheney connection has gotten, even though it seems obvious that GS has benefited from Paulson being the Treasury Secretary.
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Re: Fear is back on the menu boyz and girlz - LEHMAN BROTHER

Postby mcgowanjm » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 11:14:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'M')y guess is Lehman will end up merging with Goldman.
A forced merger would make sense, then all the worthless derivative positions could be swept under the rug - or maybe even GS was counter-party to them and could just cancel them out.
But GS wouldn't really want to pay much more than its worth, so they have an incentive to see the stock drop but not so much that people would fear it would go bankrupt.

The only people paying would be the US taxpayer.

We still don't know the BSC/JPM details. Heh, I wonder - did Bernanke get his mortgage from Countrywide's VIP program? Hmmmmm....
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Re: Fear is back on the menu boyz and girlz - LEHMAN BROTHER

Postby AlterEgo » Fri 11 Jul 2008, 03:56:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')The Braintrust, our own Dr. Lalani called me today and said if Lehman Brothers goes any lower, they are going to have to change their name to Lehman Brother, the other Brother will need to be let go...
Lehman does not survive this, and if they are smart, they will realize that there is room for ONE MORE Bear Stearns-like forced merger. The next institution (or 2, or even 3) will just have to fail.
GM & Ford, Fannie & Freddie, Bear & Lehman, American & United Airlines, wanna know who is next? What about Fedex and UPS?"
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LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby Roccland » Tue 19 Aug 2008, 21:17:04

LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting... link

Hey Iaato - got silver?
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby Cashmere » Tue 19 Aug 2008, 21:19:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')code]Chief Executive Dick Fuld is running out of time not only to keep his job as CEO but have the Wall Street firm remain independent.[/code]

You have gotta love NewSpeak. Back in the old days, we Prols used to call "remain independent" by a different name - "go bankrupt."

I guess it's all perspective.
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby Roccland » Tue 19 Aug 2008, 21:21:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')hief Executive Dick Fuld is running out of time not only to keep his job as CEO but have the Wall Street firm remain independent.
You have gotta love NewSpeak. Back in the old days, we Prols used to call "remain independent" by a different name - "go bankrupt." I guess it's all perspective.

Yeah and Obama and "responsible redeployment" of troops in Iraq...

Guess that means those troops are headed for the next new war...not home.
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby Daniel_Plainview » Tue 19 Aug 2008, 21:33:31

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Dick Fuld is not a happy camper ........
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby DantesPeak » Tue 19 Aug 2008, 21:40:20

14 months into the slow motion credit collapse and many people still think large financial firms can be 'saved'. After $2 to $3 trillion in credit related losses are realized, we can talk about saving what's left. But that will probably take two more years.

By then, the biggest paper fraud of all, the Federal Reserve, will be seen as the issuer of paper money backed up only by hard to value and depreciating mortgage related derivatives.

I'm not sure what comes after that, but there won't be fun times in the US after 2010.
It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting.
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby nobodypanic » Tue 19 Aug 2008, 21:43:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'L')EH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting... link Hey Iaato - got silver?

yeah, i got silver, and you know what? it sucks right now. :mad:
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby pedalling_faster » Tue 19 Aug 2008, 21:51:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '1')4 months into the slow motion credit collapse and many people still think large financial firms can be 'saved'. After $2 to $3 trillion in credit related losses are realized, we can talk about saving what's left. But that will probably take two more years.
By then, the biggest paper fraud of all, the Federal Reserve, will be seen as the issuer of paper money backed up only by hard to value and depreciating mortgage related derivatives.
I'm not sure what comes after that, but there won't be fun times in the US after 2010.

Yahoo stock page for LEH i'm getting a little more agnostic. meaning, i don't know what's going to happen.

the dollar was getting pummeled. then it's bounced back recently. with no supporting fundamentals.

as Heineken pointed out, Hitler Germany maintained a functional society for mainstream (non-Jewish) Germans through about 1944. The trains running on time, etc.
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby yesplease » Tue 19 Aug 2008, 23:52:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', 't')he dollar was getting pummeled. then it's bounced back recently. with no supporting fundamentals.
My guess is speculation just like the recent oil run up and to a smaller extent less credit available (higher interest rates at banks too). If the new administration changes the current administration's fiscally irresponsible policies then they may make some money, otherwise they may not.

P.S. No need to Godwinize this thread just yet.
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby pup55 » Wed 20 Aug 2008, 07:14:23

I am still trying to get a piece of that 22 cent on the dollar mortgage writedown that they did the other day.

There ought to be a lot of cheap real estate coming onto the market.
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby Jotapay » Wed 20 Aug 2008, 09:50:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'L')EH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting... link Hey Iaato - got silver?
yeah, i got silver, and you know what? it sucks right now.

Is it physical? I'll buy it. :)
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby Troyboy1208 » Wed 20 Aug 2008, 09:52:21

What is LEH?
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby Roccland » Wed 20 Aug 2008, 09:53:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'L')EH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting... link Hey Iaato - got silver?
yeah, i got silver, and you know what? it sucks right now.

Yeah - it's gonna suck worse when silver is $25.00/oz and you are shipping a round off to me.

LEH should declare BK today for you to feel better about our bet.

If I were you I would be backing the truck up and loading as much as I can get my hands on...to the moon alice!!!
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby DantesPeak » Wed 20 Aug 2008, 09:54:47

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LEH fell 3.4% as the New York Post reported that the investment bank failed to reach a deal with South Korean wealth funds and insitutions to raise capital.
It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting.
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby mmasters » Wed 20 Aug 2008, 10:10:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '[')code]Chief Executive Dick Fuld is running out of time not only to keep his job as CEO but have the Wall Street firm remain independent.[/code]You have gotta love NewSpeak. Back in the old days, we Prols used to call "remain independent" by a different name - "go bankrupt."I guess it's all perspective.

Bankrupt = planned bargain buyout opportunity by the establishment

Lehman is one of the protected firms against naked short selling right now so they should be OK. They will be bought off by somebody though, eventually. Goldman IMHO seems the most likely merger possibility having worked at both of these firms myself once upon a time. The fact it's never been mentioned in the news would make it all the more a surprise when it's announced.
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby Roccland » Wed 20 Aug 2008, 11:26:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'L')EH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting... link Hey Iaato - got silver?
yeah, i got silver, and you know what? it sucks right now.
Yeah - it's gonna suck worse when silver is $25.00/oz and you are shipping a round off to me. LEH should declare BK today for you to feel better about our bet. If I were you I would be backing the truck up and loading as much as I can get my hands on...to the moon alice!!!

My bad - the bet is with Iaato... You can keep your silver nobodypanic... Unless of course you want to make a bet?

I currently have three with various posters here...Iaato being one that LEH is going BK - she thinks LEH will be bailed out.
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby nobodypanic » Wed 20 Aug 2008, 12:58:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'L')EH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting: link Hey Iaato - got silver?
yeah, i got silver, and you know what? it sucks right now. :mad:
Yeah - it's gonna suck worse when silver is $25.00/oz and you are shipping a round off to me. LEH should declare BK today for you to feel better about our bet. If I were you I would be backing the truck up and loading as much as I can get my hands on...to the moon alice!!!

well, i not only have silver, i have SKF, which is doing a heck of a lot better than silver, so LEH can kiss my rear. :P
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Re: LEH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting...

Postby Roccland » Wed 20 Aug 2008, 13:02:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'L')EH deathwatch...T minus 10 and counting... link Hey Iaato - got silver?
yeah, i got silver, and you know what? it sucks right now. :mad:
Yeah - it's gonna suck worse when silver is $25.00/oz and you are shipping a round off to me.LEH should declare BK today for you to feel better about our bet.If I were you I would be backing the truck up and loading as much as I can get my hands on...to the moon alice!!!
well, i not only have silver, i have SKF, which is doing a heck of a lot better than silver, so LEH can kiss my rear. :P

Yeah my xlf puts are doing quite well today. Lots of meat left on the bone.
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